Nobody ever tries to trade Joe

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Joe Johnson. A potential piece to push a close team over the top, especially a team whose main struggles are at SG/SF. Can you think of any such teams, especially those who can free-wheel with the money to the point that paying Joe the max is OK?

Dallas. Cuban. Dallas.

Dallas' window is NOW. With Joe and Marion starting at SG/SF, they would finally have an effective defensive combination. Just an enormous backcourt with Kidd out there. And finally a great second scoring option to Dirk, while keeping Jet on the bench playing the Jamal Crawford role.

It would cost Dallas Rodrigue Beaubois, Brendan Haywood, and Caron Butler. Haywood is playing terrible (and signed to an awful deal) and seems to be demotivated as a back up to Chandler, after being the main man last year. But he would still be a big upgrade to Twin. We would acquire Butler and his Bird rights (I believe). Butler is a poor man's JJ. Butler is out for the entire year and his deal is expiring, so we could also free up money if we are unable to resign him.

The key to the deal is Beaubois, who Dallas is ridiculously high on, despite a very small sample size. But he would seemingly be a great answer for us at PG. He doesn't have the great distributor skills, but can shoot, drive, and defend with great quickness.

This is probably the first deal I have ever plugged into the Trade Machine that gives greater that +5 wins to BOTH sides. Of course, I'm not sure Trade Machine realizes that Butler is hurt, but still, the long term potential of this deal for both sides is tantalizing.

[NekiEcko]

But I thought that Caron Butler was injured and out of the season? But the problem with trading Joe is his contract, there is no sane owner or GM would put together a package to get a person that got more money LJ, Wade and Bosh. Dallas window is now but they are not stupid at all. They got good young pieces that can pick up the slack once old guys leaves.

[capstone21]

So you want to trade Joe for crap. There is a reason no one wants to trade Joe. He is our 'star' player (no he is not a superstar but he is OUR star.

He has been on fire in Jan and is one of the main reasons for our success in that month. He at a lot of times carries the team.

BTW, I would not do that deal in a million year.

Butler is an injury prone dude who is out until the playoffs. He has not been good for a while

BRENDA haywood is nothing special at center except that he is 7 foot. That is not enough.

Rodrigue Beaubois who is an interesting player is undersized sg who has been injured all season. He can score but what else does he do?

[txsting]

So you want to trade Joe for crap. There is a reason no one wants to trade Joe. He is our 'star' player (no he is not a superstar but he is OUR star.

He has been on fire in Jan and is one of the main reasons for our success in that month. He at a lot of times carries the team.

BTW, I would not do that deal in a million year.

Butler is an injury prone dude who is out until the playoffs. He has not been good for a while

BRENDA haywood is nothing special at center except that he is 7 foot. That is not enough.

Rodrigue Beaubois who is an interesting player is undersized sg who has been injured all season. He can score but what else does he do?

If they are crap, then why would both Beaubois and Butler start for our team? Haywood would also get every start that Twin is getting, and probably a few more than that. 2.5 starters coming back in trade, financial flexibility, a potential young star. Depends entirely on what you think of Beaubois. Dallas thinks so much of him, that they would probably swallow hard if they did this deal. It would take some balls to do it, but you have to realize we are not going anywhere, and can't get any better while JJ is still here.

[txsting]

But I thought that Caron Butler was injured and out of the season? But the problem with trading Joe is his contract, there is no sane owner or GM would put together a package to get a person that got more money LJ, Wade and Bosh. Dallas window is now but they are not stupid at all. They got good young pieces that can pick up the slack once old guys leaves.

Cuban has said he is willing to rent Melo even if he doesn't have a resigning guarantee. He wouldn't think twice about the money Joe is making. He is in the game to win. The Mavericks lose money, everybody knows it. He doesn't care. As soon as Dirk is gone, that team is DEAD. Dead, dead, dead. They got a nice taste of it when Dirk went down and the team went 2-7. They are a better team than the Hawks, but are barely any closer to the Finals, due to being in the West.

Dirk is almost 33. Dallas does this deal after a good think. We do the deal only if we TRULY believe in Beaubois. Be helpful to see Beaubois return to action, but honestly, if he comes back as good as he was - Dallas may just decide they already have enough. The only time to get a deal like this done is now, while there is some indecision in the air.

[Joker]

Why no one mentions Joe, because he's our top player. He's a championship piece, just not the lead to a championship. Look at Boston and SAS. Pierce is a championship piece. Manu is as well. You need those guys. Just because you think Joe is overpaid doesn't affect the fact that we really need Joe.

[txsting]

In fact, this deal idea is basically a spin of the rumored deal Dallas is offering for Melo, which was centered around Roddy B and Butler (plus a couple 1st round picks and other salary garbage).

Melo is more valuable than JJ for his youth and slightly better efficiency. But not unreasonably so. They are both All-star players. So knock off the 1st rounders coming back.

This deal is far from unreasonable. In fact, it is more on the realistic side, which makes it far less palatable than most of the one-sided drivel that gets posted here.

Edited February 11, 2011 by txsting

[txsting]

Why no one mentions Joe, because he's our top player. He's a championship piece, just not the lead to a championship. Look at Boston and SAS. Pierce is a championship piece. Manu is as well. You need those guys. Just because you think Joe is overpaid doesn't affect the fact that we really need Joe.

Never said Joe is overpaid. Joe was paid accordingly, because we simply had to do it. The cost of losing him was much greater than the incremental cost of paying him the max versus whatever his true value is.

Point is, we are probably stuck at 55 wins and no championship possibility. We are running out of ways to make this team better. The draft is of little hope. Teague was our last best hope and it's not looking good. The only thing I can see is try to get as equal value as you can for Joe, and use the cost savings to find the next and hopefully final piece. For example, if you do this deal and Butler and Crawford walk, you have at least $10M in salary cap space for the summer, and therefore some flexibility. You have also changed your problems from hard to fill (PG, C) to the easier to fill SG.

Edited February 11, 2011 by txsting

[txsting]

Why no one mentions Joe, because he's our top player. He's a championship piece, just not the lead to a championship. Look at Boston and SAS. Pierce is a championship piece. Manu is as well. You need those guys. Just because you think Joe is overpaid doesn't affect the fact that we really need Joe.

We went 5-4 while missing Joe, beating Orlando, and losing on the road to Spurs, Celtics, and Heat. Dallas went 2-7 when Dirk was hurt. Dirk is a championship piece without his Pippen. Joe is the second option on a championship team. He will not be leading any team to the Finals as the top guy on his team. Does anybody really dispute that?

It would be cheap and easy to replace about 75% of Joe's production at SG. If, while you're at it, you can fix the PG position with a potential top-10 guy, and shore up the C rotation with exactly the kind of big-bodied defender we've been needing, you have to think about that.

Edited February 11, 2011 by txsting

[txsting]

I've just read that Dallas wouldn't even put Beaubois in a deal for Melo, without an extension guarantee. So almost certainly they wouldn't include him for Joe.

[Guest]

1. Brandon Haywood signed a 6 year $55 million contract this past summer and will be 32 this year - I'd rather have Joe and his contract.

2. I'm not seeing how gaining Roddy, Butler and Haywood makes us championship contender..Joe may not be " leading any team to the Finals as the top guy on his team" but what we get in return sucks even more...making a trade for the sake of making a trade is useless,you make a trade to make the team considerably better and moving in the right direction.

3. We don't know what the CBA and salary cap will be next year so saying we'll have $10 mil in salary cap is overstating.

4. This trade really helps Dallas immensely though, gives them a legit 2 guard who can do everything.