Larry Coon: Hawks can get Smoove, D12 and CP3 using bird rights?

[coachx]

Gearon has said he can go into the LT.

You can't go into the tax or cap to sign other teams free agents.

I swear you can spoon people all day and Free agent still goes right over their head.

Edited June 5, 2013 by coachx

[Admin]

Noooo The tweet is saying you must sign D12 and CP3 first than sign Smoove.

Can't do that. Not unless D12 and CP3 take about $10 million each to sign. Even then I'm not sure we'd be able to without renouncing Josh.

[Swatguy]

The LT doesn't matter. To sign players who don't play for the Hawks, we have to do it under the salary cap and then to say them we have to renonce Smith.

So you are saying we can go over the sc into LT land to sign guys that played for us? Ah, like Zaza, Kyle, Harris and Josh after others are signed?

[Admin]

You can't go into the tax to sign other teams free agents.

I swear you can spoon people all day and Free agent still goes right over their head.

A freaking men!

[NBASupes]

CP3 and Dwight are not signing with anyone for under 14 mil in their 1st year. If we can sign them for 14-15.5 mil, we can still sign some of our key FA's before we sign CP3 and Dwight like Miami did with Haslem. Al's 12 mil contract is the greatest contract of all time. That really change the game for us and it helps he's extremely good too.

[theheroatl]

This whole thread argument is contingent on keeping Josh. Josh is looking for a change of scenery. Let him get his full paycheck, what he always wanted. This is the time he has waited for all along... Free Agency.

[Admin]

CP3 and Dwight are not signing with anyone for under 14 mil in their 1st year. If we can sign them for 14-15.5 mil, we can still sign some of our key FA's before we sign CP3 and Dwight like Miami did with Haslem. Al's 12 mil contract is the greatest contract of all time. That really change the game for us and it helps he's extremely good too.

Even that is really asking them to take a hefty cut in pay to help us build a roster around them. There's no chance that they take an even bigger cut than that unless they're suddenly doing mission work for a church or something.

[MaceCase]

I pity you when HF reads this one...

I imagine that he just takes a pull from his ivory cigarette holder and mutters "fools, all of them" to himself rather than actually respond.

[coachx]

Noooo The tweet is saying you must sign D12 and CP3 first than sign Smoove.

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That makes no sense.

How do you do that with only $35 mill of cap space AFTER you renounce your rights on Smith and all our other free agents.

We will begging Howard and Paul to take pay cuts at $17.5 mill each in year 1 of their deals.

[Admin]

I imagine that he just takes a pull from his ivory cigarette holder and mutters "fools, all of them" to himself rather than actually respond.

What's in that cig holder, Virginia Slim 100's?

[DJlaysitup]

We cannot go over the salary cap to sign other teams free agents unless we're using exceptions, which obviously don't apply to big $ guys like Dwight and CP3. There is no chance that Horford, Smith, Dwight and CP3 are on the same team next year unless Dwight, CP3 and Smoove all take about 50% of what they're each worth...

No offense but that's absurd and you know it. 50%? C'mon.

Teams have been creative in the past (and they have won)...it's not impossible to at least create a "big three" next year - I will admit that keeping Smoove would take MAJOR creativity - but not impossible.

[NBASupes]

So you are saying we can go over the sc into LT land to sign guys that played for us? Ah, like Zaza, Kyle, Harris and Josh after others are signed?

The LT doesn't matter in the case of signing Dwight and CP3, we can't sign them if we are over the cap either caphold or cap wise(samething). We can't even sign our our players to go over the salary cap for this year. Next year, we can do whatever we want in terms of signing our players and going over the salary cap and maybe entering the LT which will be hard. Let's say we have 12 players and we are at 57.2 mil. We can still use our full MLE and go over the cap but we can only use our MLE or LLE.

[coachx]

So you are saying we can go over the sc into LT land to sign guys that played for us? Ah, like Zaza, Kyle, Harris and Josh after others are signed?

Only if we don't renounce their cap holds / Bird rights.

But he we have to renounce their cap holds in order to afford Howard and Paul. Once we renounce their cap holds then they "are nol longer our free agents." However, we could resign them to minimum contracts or the MLE.

This isn't rocket science guys.

[Buzzard]

Noooo The tweet is saying you must sign D12 and CP3 first than sign Smoove.

And the tweet is wrong man. Smith's cap hold is 14 million. We only have 23 clear and that does not include the picks cap holds. Renounce Smith and we have enough for two big contracts. With him and the picks only one.

[Admin]

No offense but that's absurd and you know it. 50%? C'mon.

Teams have been creative in the past (and they have won)...it's not impossible to at least create a "big three" next year - I will admit that keeping Smoove would take MAJOR creativity - but not impossible.

Nowhere was I saying that they would do that. Just saying what they would have to in order to make this fairy tale of a thread come true.

[NBASupes]

Even that is really asking them to take a hefty cut in pay to help us build a roster around them. There's no chance that they take an even bigger cut than that unless they're suddenly doing mission work for a church or something.

Honestly, they take more and we can't sign anyone but our draft picks, some mins guys and a MLE and LLE.The less they take, we can sign some of our players back. Lebron and Wade took 14.5 mil. They made a lot of money last year, they aren't hurting for money and the money you get when you are winning when it matters is much greater.

[Swatguy]

You can't go into the tax or cap to sign other teams free agents.

I swear you can spoon people all day and Free agent still goes right over their head.

overhead? Dwight and Chris sign with 15 in the first year. 7-10 is left to sign 2 guys and resign 6 of our own, Kyle, Josh, Ivan, Zaza, Teague and Scott. How is that professor?

[Admin]

You can't go into the tax or cap to sign other teams free agents.

I swear you can spoon people all day and Free agent still goes right over their head.

[NBASupes]

Here is something I wrote a couple of days ago.

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Al Horford ($12,000,000)

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Lou Williams ($5,225,000)

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John Jenkins ($1,258,800)

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Draft pick #17 ($1,348,200, value for draft pick explained later)

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Draft pick #18 ($1,280,800)

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Tolly’s caphold ($884,293)

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Incomplete roster charge (6x$490,180 = $3,431,260)

+ Mack's 760,000 and Scott's 789k - 980,360(2 players)= 568,512 +3,431,260

= 3,999,277

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Al Horford ($12,000,000)

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Lou Williams ($5,225,000)

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John Jenkins ($1,258,800)

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Draft pick #17 ($1,348,200, value for draft pick explained later)

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Draft pick #18 ($1,280,800)

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Tolly’s caphold ($884,293)

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Mack 3rd year min salary(760k)

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Scott 788,872 salary

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Incomplete roster charge (4x$490,180 = $1,960,720)

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Total salary is 25,651,190

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We have two mid 2nd round picks which was 450k last year. That could be our 9th and 10th man and it would save us 100k.

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Incomplete roster charge is only valid without a player. If we sign Howard and CP3, they would be our 9th and 10th man with the picks they would be our 11th and 12th man.

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With the estimated cap at 58.5, we would have up to 32.8 in cap space.

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We do not have a MLE right now since we are under the cap floor but we would have one if we signed both CP3 and Dwight.

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It would be smart if Dwight and CP3 took less to play together. For starters, if they want Korver they would have to take 13.5 million(27 million) in their first year a piece. Korver can sign for 4 million and we could still use our MLE.

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Most likely, CP3 and Dwight will sign for 15 mil a piece(30 million) which covers most of our cap and allows us to sign the min level players and a MLE player.

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While Houston with some trades could offer Dwight the max and CP3's max right now. They really couldn't get both players not can Dallas.

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Atlanta at the best will have to ask Dwight and CP3 to take 5 to 3 million dollars less than they can get in LA but give them 3-1 less than they can get elsewhere. Remember, Houston cannot offer Dwight close to what LA can due to the new CBA. Makes us a lot more competitive in this race.

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Basically, Atlanta can easily sign D12 and CP3 and the min level players. The issue is Atlanta has to find ways to not sign them and be capped out. They need to get them to take less and buy into team before players, wins before accolades.

[Admin]

Honestly, they take more and we can't sign anyone but our draft picks, some mins guys and a MLE and LLE.The less they take, we can sign some of our players back. Lebron and Wade took 14.5 mil. They made a lot of money last year, they aren't hurting for money and the money you get when you are winning when it matters is much greater.

I am hopeful that they will but still highly skeptical that we can get them at such a discount.