Plainview1981 Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1661406 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoostal Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Maybe Weez can post today's insider for baseball. I know it talks about the Braves wanting to keep Sheffield, but if they can't they will go after Vlad Guerrero. I would be interested to see how that article reads. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted November 14, 2003 Admin Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 If the braves can get Vlad, they should. Whether it means losing Sheff or not. Vlad is a special player, not just a good, old player who had his best season. There's no comparison who you give the money to if you can have either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 What I like about Vlad is his ability to steal bases and hit those bad balls Andrew misses. Those bad ball hitters drive pitchers nuts because even when they go out of the strikezone they still have to worry about the ball getting hit. The Braves should look to trade Chipper...He had nice numbers on paper, but he really wasn't effective last year...It seemed like he never done anything of importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted November 14, 2003 Admin Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 trade chipper? wtf are you talking about? That would go down as one of the stupidest moves in braves history. If they're going to trade someone, trade Andrew. We could get a LOT more out of him and the guy isn't going to get any better here. Maybe a change of address would help him out, I could care less really. But he's not going to get any better in Atlanta. They could get a lot more for him too. He's one of htose guys that every coach would like to get their hands on thinking they could turn him into the player he was supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 He's still better than Chipper...Chipper pretty much sucks. He isn't half as good as his stats make him out to be...He's the highest paid player on the team, he's a poor defensive player, he has no passion......Chippers a P*ssy pretty much. He swings like one, acts like one, and doesn't seem to have the attitude of a winner. Getting to the playoffs is good enough as far as he is concerned....It's never ok for a player to few it that way. Chipper is a player that proves you can't go on stats alone to see how effective a player can be... Chipper isn't getting any better in Atlanta either. Trading Andrew is a big no no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted November 15, 2003 Admin Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 oh come on what a bunch of BS. You defend ANdrew jones and diss chipper? haha. For god sakes stop talking out your ass. Chipper is a [censored], pretty much? That's pretty [censored] intelligent. My god, at least you're good for a laugh once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Yap yap yap yap Yeah Chipper is a [censored]...He has the attitude of one and the personality of a hick. Adrew is better than Chipper....Crap...Andrew is better on defense ALONE. Marcus Giles is also better than Chipper. Andrew strikes out alot, but Chipper hits to many little rollers to the infielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyman3 Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Heres what i think.. - Andruw Jones is a top 5 OUTFIELDER in this league on DEFENSE. Hes made so many highlights with spectacular catches. On Offense, he does seem to strike out a lot. But DEFENSE ALONE, shouldnt we just keep the guy? - Chipper Jones was every braves' fan favorite player. Kinda like MIKE VICK with falcons. For many years, he was a candidate for MVP... last year he didnt produce as well and was overshadowed with the emergence of Giles/Furcal/Sheffield's offense. He did pretty much SEAL THE DEAL for 1 of the postseason game all by himself so who do i decide with? Neither of u guys... i rather KEEP BOTH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted November 15, 2003 Admin Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 hotlanta is just talking out of his ass, as usual. He blurts out idiotic half cocked "ideas" and then backs it up with intelligent and thoughtful things like "chipper is a [censored]". par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 He blurts out idiotic half cocked "ideas" and then backs it up with intelligent and thoughtful things like "chipper is a [censored]". par for the course." He's overpayed-True He hits too many weak groundballs-True He doesn't have a win at all costs attitude-True His HR's have been falling-True His swing is weak-Just take a look at it Poor ole Chillz can't handle someone saying something bad about the Braves or one of their players. Even when it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyman3 Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 He's overpayed-True *(not anymore... whens the last time u saw him on the cover of ESPN magazine? i dont hear much about Jones these days... all i hear is Prior/Wood, Pujols, Bonds, Sosa, etc) He hits too many weak groundballs-True He doesn't have a win at all costs attitude-True His HR's have been falling-True His swing is weak-Just take a look at it *[censored] it... i dont wanna go down each argument and say my opinion of it... those things u said above may be TRUE... HOWEVER!!! - Hes still our most PATIENT HITTER. Our batters are VERY IMPATIENT and just wacks at anything they see... - His swing might be ugly to u... and it might not scare pitchers like Sheffields... but he makes GREAT CONTACT with the bat. seems like hes not even tryin hard when he HOMERS. He just has great fundamentals when it comes to offense. Im not necessarily a Chipper fan... just lettin you guys know how i see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin chillzatl Posted November 15, 2003 Admin Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 haha dude, you're a joke man. He had injuries the first part of the season. He still hit almost 30 homers. Still hit over .300 and still had over 100 RBI's. It's funny that you in your educated sports wisdom, say he has a weak swing. But practically everyone in the sport talks about how sweet of a swing chipper has. Hmm, who knowst he most? Sports people or you? HAH. As far as his attitude. YOu don't have a damned clue what his attitude is. Barry Bonds doesn't beat himself in the head with the bat when he doesn't get a hit. That means he's a [censored] with a loser attitude. what a joke. Weak ground balls? The guy hits over .300. So all of his other non-hits are just weak ground balls? Isn't that the case for most players in baseball? I don't know many guys who hit right around .300 but every non-hit is a laser at a guys face or a fly out to the warning track. get real. I stand by what I said, you talk out your ass. Doesn't matter if it's baseball or basketball. You take your personal opinion and try to somehow make sports fact. so and so is a loser, so they suck. So and so is a [censored], so he sucks. Get real. Watch the games before you talk out your ass. wait, I don't know why you'd do that with the braves. You don't do it with the Hawks either and all you do it talk out your ass concerning them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyman3 Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 lol... oh snap. i was talkin about OVERHYPED... instead of OVERPAID.... in my first argument... lol give me a break.. i need to sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 He had injuries the first part of the season. He still hit almost 30 homers. Still hit over .300 and still had over 100 RBI's. " Stats stats stats. Stats tell you Stephen Jackson is actually a good player...Stats don't always tell the complete truth. "As far as his attitude. YOu don't have a damned clue what his attitude is." Well, when he speaks like just making the playoffs is enough I'd say that says a pretty good bit about his attitude about winning. Maybe it's enough for fans, but as a player would you want to settle for not being the best? Get real. Watch the games before you talk out your ass. wait, I don't know why you'd do that with the braves. You don't do it with the Hawks either and all you do it talk out your ass concerning them. " Yeah, lol you know so much...That's why you really thought The Braves would man handle the Cubs eh? You know so much, right? Get freakin real. Fact is that Chipper is overpayed. His defense is poor and you really have no defense for these things. He's not much of a clutch hitter either. I saw plenty of games and I haven't seen anything that good since his MVP year. He hit 27 HR? This day and age that isn't all that impressive. Maybe 10 years ago it was, but not really anymore. He doesn't suck, but he's not that great either. He isn't worth his salary, he doesn't have any upside, and he's a poor fielder. Chipper should be traded before Audrew....AJ still has potential to improve and he's already better than Chipper anyways. Oh and yeah, all the experts and knowledgable people predicted the Marlins to win the World Series didn't they? They are all so smart.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoostal Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 Trading Chipper, that is just stupid. The guy isn't overpaid first of all, at least by baseball standards. If you ask me everyone in baseball is overpaid. Chipper had another solid year. Let alone he is the only Brave that shows up in the postseason. I say if we had to trade one of the two, trade Andruw. Just because he plays good defense doesn't mean we should keep him. This guys shows no effort and that he doesn't care. Every year is suppose to be his breakout year. So when is it going to be? Even Sheff says this guy can be a monster, but he doesn't want it bad enough. Let alone he strikes out way too much. I would like to see us keep them both. But, if we trade Andruw to get Vazquez or Vidro and some speedy OF that can steal bases I'm all for it. At least I know Chipper shows up when it matters. When has Andruw? How long are you willing to wait for Andruw? You talk about Chipper's attitude being poor. Look at Andruw's he has no drive what so ever. Because if he did he would already be a superstar by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 At least I know Chipper shows up when it matters. When has Andruw? " Chipper shows up when it matters?? Since when? What has his batting average for the playoffs? Chipper is NOT a clutch player. He batted .167 for the playoffs this year.Chipper at his salary should be posting 40 HR 110RBI...Chipper needs to produce a few more HR's. Chipper is a good player without a shadow of a doubt, but I think I'd still keep Andrew...You also have to factor in the salary cap...Andruw doesn't make as much as Chipper I don't think....Plus Andrew has upside and toped Chippers numbers this year. However, part of that is due to the fact that AJ is a hacker... Personally, when I've seen Chipper play I haven't be impressed...The last two years anyway. IT seems like he hits an aweful lot of ground balls. But I don't watch every game because baseball isn't exciting enough for me to watch EVERY GAME. In some ways I think it's too early to give up on AJ... but in others you have to wonder if the Atlanta night life will always hold him back if he's in Atlanta. But the Braves must keep Marcus Giles. Seems like that guy never got out. He had a better year than Chipper in my opinion. It seemed like made a huge impact while Chippers impact seemed small alot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoostal Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Hot, I think even with Chipper's poor playoff performance this past year it was still better than Andruw's. If not I don't think Andruw out did him by much. [censored], Chipper won one of the playoff games himself. Which is more that Andruw can say. Also, just because Andruw had more HR's and RBI's doesn't mean he had a better year than Chipper. Chipper wasn't too far behind in either category. Plus his strikeouts are less, he hits for better average and draws more walks. Simply put Chipper is better. You talk about the upside with Andruw and you ignored my comment I stated before. He has been the league for six years. When is that upside coming. You have to wonder if it hasn't come now, when will it. You ignored Sheffield's remarks that Andruw doesn't want it bad enough. I like Andruw as much as any Brave, but Chipper is much better. But the sad think is that Andruw could be the best Brave ever(possibly), but he doesn't want it enough. So, with that I would keep Chipper and trade Andruw. Also, they make about the same yearly. Chipper may make a million more that's it. I agree Giles and DeRosa were the only ones to hit in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoostal Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 I forgot to follow up on another point and that is if you look through the all the years that Chipper has been in the playoffs. He is the only player on the team that puts up any offensive numbers. This was his first bad postseason. Besides Andruw's first game in NY, he hasn't done anything in the postseason. P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 19, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 You ignored Sheffield's remarks that Andruw doesn't want it bad enough. " Considering Sheffields playoff games the last two years(3 for 30) he probably shouldn't say much. Never did like that @sshole Sheffield anyway. I'd still take Andrew 36HR 110RBI and great defense over Chippers 25HR and 305 average...Not to mention CHipper is a libility in the outfield and 3rd base. Batting average doesn't mean much anyway. Jim Thome hits under .300 but I'd still take him over anyone on the Braves. But neither guys seem to have a knack for getting the big hits. Not to mention it can be argued that Chipper had his worst year this year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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