Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Braves get RHP Shelby Miller and RHP Tyrell Jenkins from the Cardinals in exchange for OF Jason Heyward and RHP Jordan Walden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Dave Justice pt II 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Dave Justice pt II Oh that would be awesome! That would mean he will come to the Yankees at the end of his career and put up big numbers while helping us to back to back World Series appearances and 1 win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Oh that would be awesome! That would mean he will come to the Yankees at the end of his career and put up big numbers while helping us to back to back World Series appearances and 1 win. Won't be the Yankees, it will be the Cardinals this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Won't be the Yankees, it will be the Cardinals this time. Justice didn't play for the Yankees until he was around 35 I think, that was after a run with the Indians. That's why I'm making the comparison. He'll probably never end up playing for the Yankees but I wouldn't hate it if he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm happy about this. I love Jason and his defensive presence but we were stagnating with him as one of our main guys. Plus I'd take quality starting pitching over a bat any day. Also he was one of the Cards better pitchers. I trust Hart. Only question now is, who is our starting RF'der? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Oh that would be awesome! That would mean he will come to the Yankees at the end of his career and put up big numbers while helping us to back to back World Series appearances and 1 win. This ain't the Yankee board...take your lucky a$$ 96 bs title and get outta here before a mod moves your post for not knowing where to post your stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Braves get RHP Shelby Miller and RHP Tyrell Jenkins from the Cardinals in exchange for OF Jason Heyward and RHP Jordan Walden. Did we trade Heywood only or was Heyward included in the deal? - d*ck Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm happy about this. I love Jason and his defensive presence but we were stagnating with him as one of our main guys. Plus I'd take quality starting pitching over a bat any day. Also he was one of the Cards better pitchers. I trust Hart. Only question now is, who is our starting RF'der? Me no likey. I understand it to a certain degree, but something just feels wrong about him being traded while the Uptons are still here (meaning they should be gone not him). Why trust Hart, btw? Isn't he in wait-n-see status? Only part about this I trust is the Cardinals organization. They don't strike me as the organization that's gonna get it wrong, whatever it is. Plus this discussion led to some Yankee talk so nothing good has come of it. Now I must rinse my mouth out with soap for using the Y-word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I like this trade. Heyward was gone after this year regardless. Heyward still think he is a can't miss player even though his production is that of a 4th OF. Sure his defense is very good. He doesn't bring much else to the team. Braves needed a starter. Miller is under control through 2019, I REPEAT 2019. He is only 24 years old himself. Has some valuable playoff experience. Losing Walden will hurt us if Carpenter doesn't rebound. Need to look up info on Jenkins. Hopefully Roger can help him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm happy about this. I love Jason and his defensive presence but we were stagnating with him as one of our main guys. Plus I'd take quality starting pitching over a bat any day. Also he was one of the Cards better pitchers. I trust Hart. Only question now is, who is our starting RF'der? After having suffered with a team who simply cannot score runs, but pitched pretty well, I will say that they are equally important for winning. You have to prevent teams from scoring as much as possible with pitching but you have to score runs with your bats as well. Looking at the Braves, it seems to me like y'all needed to be adding quality bats, not taking them away. For example, and yes I love to use the Y word with you guys who still haven't gotten over 1996, look at the Yankees rankings this year: 2014: Offense: 20th in runs scored with 633 runs (Atlanta 29th - ouch) Pitching: 18th in ERA @ 3.75 (Atlanta 5th - well done) Record: 84-78 Now, in the Yankees last world series season, 2009, the numbers were very different: Offense: 1st in runs scored with 915 runs Pitching: 12th in ERA @ 4.26 Record: 103-59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Listening to John Hart just now. I get the sense the Braves went to Heyward with a contract offer and Heyward rejected it. Braves were going to lose Heyward regardless. It appear Heyward could get as much as $150M in FA. Braves can't afford that and Heyward isn't worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnice Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Out of the blue for me, and folks are saying he would've walked later anyway... a few minutes later I'm nearly cool with it. I guess he peaked, but was supposed to be an all-star every year, and not just be a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 After having suffered with a team who simply cannot score runs, but pitched pretty well, I will say that they are equally important for winning. You have to prevent teams from scoring as much as possible with pitching but you have to score runs with your bats as well. Looking at the Braves, it seems to me like y'all needed to be adding quality bats, not taking them away. For example, and yes I love to use the Y word with you guys who still haven't gotten over 1996, look at the Yankees rankings this year:2014: Offense: 20th in runs scored with 633 runs (Atlanta 29th - ouch) Pitching: 18th in ERA @ 3.75 (Atlanta 5th - well done) Record: 84-78 Now, in the Yankees last world series season, 2009, the numbers were very different: Offense: 1st in runs scored with 915 runs Pitching: 12th in ERA @ 4.26 Record: 103-59 That was my thinking also - pitching was never the problem even though we lost starting pitchers at the beginning of the season - we couldn't score runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkItus Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Scoring has always been the Cobb Braves problem(no more using my cities name chumps). Even back to the 90's we had excellent pitching, but poor run support. How many 1-0, 2-0 games did we lose. Sheesh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnice Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 At least he'll play for a pennant now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLHawks3 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Damn, I'm gonna miss Heyward alot. Atleast we'll be adding $10+ million to our free agency budget. Shelby Miller is a nice pitcher and has the potential to be one of the top pitchers in the NL in the future. I also love that we have a 3-Headed Monster in Teheran, Miller, and Wood. All we need now is a quality bat and some help to our bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 After having suffered with a team who simply cannot score runs, but pitched pretty well, I will say that they are equally important for winning. You have to prevent teams from scoring as much as possible with pitching but you have to score runs with your bats as well. Looking at the Braves, it seems to me like y'all needed to be adding quality bats, not taking them away. For example, and yes I love to use the Y word with you guys who still haven't gotten over 1996, look at the Yankees rankings this year:2014: Offense: 20th in runs scored with 633 runs (Atlanta 29th - ouch) Pitching: 18th in ERA @ 3.75 (Atlanta 5th - well done) Record: 84-78 Now, in the Yankees last world series season, 2009, the numbers were very different: Offense: 1st in runs scored with 915 runs Pitching: 12th in ERA @ 4.26 Record: 103-59 You poured salt on my wound. As a Braves fan I love all our players but Heyward wasn't delivering on the offensive end anyways, his batting average was low and he didn't have the power numbers that he should. I just think the Braves have always been more reliant on their pitching as an organization. Pairing Teheran with a young Shelby Miller is a good start. We will replace the bat of Jason Heyward, that I'm not worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) You poured salt on my wound. As a Braves fan I love all our players but Heyward wasn't delivering on the offensive end anyways, his batting average was low and he didn't have the power numbers that he should. I just think the Braves have always been more reliant on their pitching as an organization. Pairing Teheran with a young Shelby Miller is a good start. We will replace the bat of Jason Heyward, that I'm not worried about.All the reliance on pitching has garnered them 1 Championship. You have to balance it and they haven't done that for the last few years. I keep hearing they need a big bat in the line up. She are still waiting. Edited November 17, 2014 by JayBirdHawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 You poured salt on my wound. As a Braves fan I love all our players but Heyward wasn't delivering on the offensive end anyways, his batting average was low and he didn't have the power numbers that he should. I just think the Braves have always been more reliant on their pitching as an organization. Pairing Teheran with a young Shelby Miller is a good start. We will replace the bat of Jason Heyward, that I'm not worried about. I was gonna chime in and say the Barves need to fix their scoring problems more so than gather more arms but you got skraight served by @JayBirdHawk so I'll just go sit over here. Well I will add that saying we "will" replace his bat is a little presumptuous. On top of that we'll need to replace his glove. I have visions of Gattis (who should also be traded IMHO) dancing around the outfield not catching flyballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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