The comparison for JB vs. DM...

[Diesel]

How much of a difference do you get in JB?

If it were a trade with these two as the primaries, how much more should you have to give?

 

 

[AHF]

The two big differences for me are scoring efficiency and size (which translates to how well they fit with Trae).  

[hylndr11]

Not sure.it makes sense to go for jb when the better fit is probably an elite big when we have djm and aj coming up.  But the fact that we don't have any elite bigs wanting to come here and jb def does can make all the diff

[Diesel]

3 minutes ago, hylndr11 said:

Not sure.it makes sense to go for jb when the better fit is probably an elite big when we have djm and aj coming up.  But the fact that we don't have any elite bigs wanting to come here and jb def does can make all the diff

The cost of JB has gone up and I don't really know if he's worth it.  Like I said before unless we have trouble resigning DJ... I'm for keeping DJ and upgrading our issue in the frontcourt based on whatever Quin recommends. 

I agree with @AHF that JB has a more compatible size but then it's null and void if we get him here and place him at SF.

Moreover, the efficiency is possibly a result of playing for the Celtics. 

 

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

I agree with @AHF that JB has a more compatible size but then it's null and void if we get him here and place him at SF.

I don't think that makes it irrelevant.  If we are playing some combination of two of 6'6'' AJ, 6'6'' Bogi, 6'6'' Brown, 6'8'' Hunter at the 2/3 spots that is better shooting and more size from our starting wings than we have today.  I do think that opens the door to a better fit than Trae/DM/Hunter.

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

I don't think that makes it irrelevant.  If we are playing some combination of two of 6'6'' AJ, 6'6'' Bogi, 6'6'' Brown, 6'8'' Hunter at the 2/3 spots that is better shooting and more size from our starting wings than we have today.  I do think that opens the door to a better fit than Trae/DM/Hunter.

All I'm saying is that a JB/Hunter or JB/Bey setup may be better than a Bogi/JB  AJ/JB setup when considering size.  I like the size that JB provides as a 2.  Because he's bigger than DM and about almost as heavy as Hunter. 

 

[JayBirdHawk]

Brown is now eligible for a Designated Veteran Extension, or the so-called Super Max. That contract projects to look like this:

• • 2024-25: $50,050,000
  • 2025-26: $54,054,000
  • 2026-27: $58,058,000
  • 2027-28: $62,062,000
  • 2028-29: $66,066,000
  • Total: five years, $290,290,000

Boston is now eligible to offer Brown a deal starting at 35% of the salary cap vs 30% of the cap, by virtue of the All-NBA honor. That deal would come with 8% raises, and would likely include some form of player option on the final season.

 Should Brown turn down the Designated Veteran Extension (or in the unlikely scenario Boston doesn’t offer it), he can sign a four-year deal with another team in the summer of 2024. That contract projects to look like this:

 

• 2024-25: $42,900,000
• 2025-26: $45,045,000
• 2026-27: $47,190,000
• 2027-28: $49,335,000
• Total: four years, $184,470,000

I don't think he turns down that extra $105 million.

Also, to note, if he signs that contract with Boston, he cannot be traded for 1 year.

[AHF]

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Brown is now eligible for a Designated Veteran Extension, or the so-called Super Max. That contract projects to look like this:

• • 2024-25: $50,050,000
  • 2025-26: $54,054,000
  • 2026-27: $58,058,000
  • 2027-28: $62,062,000
  • 2028-29: $66,066,000
  • Total: five years, $290,290,000

Boston is now eligible to offer Brown a deal starting at 35% of the salary cap vs 30% of the cap, by virtue of the All-NBA honor. That deal would come with 8% raises, and would likely include some form of player option on the final season.

 Should Brown turn down the Designated Veteran Extension (or in the unlikely scenario Boston doesn’t offer it), he can sign a four-year deal with another team in the summer of 2024. That contract projects to look like this:

 

• 2024-25: $42,900,000
• 2025-26: $45,045,000
• 2026-27: $47,190,000
• 2027-28: $49,335,000
• Total: four years, $184,470,000

I don't think he turns down that extra $105 million.

Also, to note, if he signs that contract with Boston, he cannot be traded for 1 year.

If Boston is willing to offer the supermax he is definitely resigning there.  That said, the difference isn't truly $105M.  Brown's career doesn't end after 2027-28 if he signs elsewhere so you can pencil him in for another substantial pay day in 2028-29 under scenario 2.  The $105M difference overstates things because that counts 2028-29 salary in scenario 1 but gives no credit for the ability for Brown to be paid in 2028-29 in scenario 2.  

Where it gets interesting is if Boston offers something like a 5 year, $240M contract.  That would be $48M per year vs the $46.1M per year in Atlanta's offer.  Does he feel insulted in that scenario because Boston could offer him $50M more and is passing on it?  Does the $46.1M from Atlanta feel better because it is the max they can offer and close enough to the $48 offered by Boston?  Does he value the ability to be an UFA in 2028-29?  

If Boston does go all-in with a $290M offer, they won't be able to afford the kind of roster depth going forward that they've enjoyed to this point.  It gets interesting from here.

[Diesel]

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Brown is now eligible for a Designated Veteran Extension, or the so-called Super Max. That contract projects to look like this:

• • 2024-25: $50,050,000
  • 2025-26: $54,054,000
  • 2026-27: $58,058,000
  • 2027-28: $62,062,000
  • 2028-29: $66,066,000
  • Total: five years, $290,290,000

Boston is now eligible to offer Brown a deal starting at 35% of the salary cap vs 30% of the cap, by virtue of the All-NBA honor. That deal would come with 8% raises, and would likely include some form of player option on the final season.

 Should Brown turn down the Designated Veteran Extension (or in the unlikely scenario Boston doesn’t offer it), he can sign a four-year deal with another team in the summer of 2024. That contract projects to look like this:

 

• 2024-25: $42,900,000
• 2025-26: $45,045,000
• 2026-27: $47,190,000
• 2027-28: $49,335,000
• Total: four years, $184,470,000

I don't think he turns down that extra $105 million.

Also, to note, if he signs that contract with Boston, he cannot be traded for 1 year.

They got to offer it though. 

I was looking at a tweet that ask...

Are we sure we want to pay Tatum and Brown 613 Million dollars.  As if it's their money...

But the fact still remains...

 

 

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, AHF said:

If Boston is willing to offer the supermax he is definitely resigning there.  That said, the difference isn't truly $105M.  Brown's career doesn't end after 2027-28 if he signs elsewhere so you can pencil him in for another substantial pay day in 2028-29 under scenario 2.  The $105M difference overstates things because that counts 2028-29 salary in scenario 1 but gives no credit for the ability for Brown to be paid in 2028-29 in scenario 2.  

Where it gets interesting is if Boston offers something like a 5 year, $240M contract.  That would be $48M per year vs the $46.1M per year in Atlanta's offer.  Does he feel insulted in that scenario because Boston could offer him $50M more and is passing on it?  Does the $46.1M from Atlanta feel better because it is the max they can offer and close enough to the $48 offered by Boston?  Does he value the ability to be an UFA in 2028-29?  

If Boston does go all-in with a $290M offer, they won't be able to afford the kind of roster depth going forward that they've enjoyed to this point.  It gets interesting from here.

@AHF or @JayBirdHawk  Can Boston complete a SNT where they offer 5 years 275 Million?

 

[JayBirdHawk]

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

@AHF or @JayBirdHawk  Can Boston complete a SNT where they offer 5 years 275 Million?

 

No.  If he signs the supermax he cannot be traded for 1 year.

[Diesel]

Just now, JayBirdHawk said:

No.  If he signs the supermax he cannot be traded for 1 year.

So he can  SNT on the 30% and 5% raises?

 

[JayBirdHawk]

12 hours ago, Diesel said:

How much of a difference do you get in JB?

Size and ability to attack the rim and get to the free throw line are the biggest things.

[JayBirdHawk]

1 minute ago, Diesel said:

So he can  SNT on the 30% and 5% raises?

 

I think if he signs an extension, he has a 6 month waiting period. 

[bird_dirt]

9 hours ago, AHF said:

Where it gets interesting is if Boston offers something like a 5 year, $240M contract.  That would be $48M per year vs the $46.1M per year in Atlanta's offer.  Does he feel insulted in that scenario because Boston could offer him $50M more and is passing on it?  Does the $46.1M from Atlanta feel better because it is the max they can offer and close enough to the $48 offered by Boston?  Does he value the ability to be an UFA in 2028-29?  

Oooo… what if this happens and he pulls a reverse Al Horford, going to Atlanta for less $? 

Anyone heard any rumblings of him bitching about playing SF and wanting the Cs to sign a new starting SF so he can move to SG?

That would be so poetic.