Blunt91 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 If the Chicago Bulls ended up with the 2ndpick in the draft and took Howard If I was Billy Knight I would trade our 5thpick, Boris Diaw and 2 of our second rounders for Dwight Howard. I think the deal would be fair to both teams. I like Diaw but it is important that we get someone that can be our franchise player first before we get good role players. I would trade Diaw before trading JT. After watching the Hawks the past few weeks Terry is very important to our uptempo game despite being a weak defensive player. In this trade we would in essence get the 2ndpick plus keep the 18th pick in the draft and draft a player in the 2ndround. I would keep the Highest of the 2ndrounders and draft Romain Sato. It's good that we have 5 draftpicks because it gives us alot of flexibility. Howard will be in a Hawks uniform next year but I hope it isn't at the expense of losing JT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Nope. A team is never going to have long term sucess with JT as a starter unless they are a team like the Lakers because he gives up about 18PPG on a NIGHTLY BASIS. You can't win with guys like that. Not to mention he is a POOR shooter now. 41%fg 33%3's is terrible. I really can't see anything JT does that is all that good. These guys got to go if you are going to build a real team and not a team that wins only when winning games don't really help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 14, 2004 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 We have Chemistry concerns as well as fanbase concerns. Just winning won't bring on the fans but they need a personality. I think that guy is Josh Smith or Dwight Howard. For that reason, we have to look to getting one of them as a franchise player. Diaw is a talent. 10 assist in 26 minutes. However, If we get stuck with a pick below 3rd which means 5th, 6th, or 7th... We can't waste this opportunity. This draft is a potential draft. It's not a strong draft like last year but there are some strong players. Okafur, Howard, Smith. I'm not a fan of Deng but in a bind, I would take him. I'm not sold on Livingston but i would take him also. But my hope is for Howard or Smith. If I felt we could get one of them by giving up our 2nd rounders and Diaw, I would have to strongly consider it. The truth is that those second rounders are not likely to make the team anyway. With Milwaukee's pick, I would take either Kris Humphries or Childress or Marvin Williams or Victor Khryapa... depending on who is left. For instance if we did trade Diaw/5th and 2 2nds for Howard. I would follow that up with: Marvin Williams . I would let williams develop and play mostly: JT/Sura/Jax/Howard/Pryz. That's a developing team. It already has some chemistry and it's built around speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholasp27 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 i'd much rather give up jt than diaw in fact, i think that jt should go no matter what we've tried building around jt for years, trying to make up for his size, his tweener status, his tunnel vision, his lack of defense, etc it doesn't work and we'll never be a contender if we try to build around jt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 14, 2004 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Well, I agree.. JT doesn't PG well.... His Salary is now an issue. BUT, he fits our system. I say until we find a suitable replacement, the JT/Sura show continues.... Sura IS the best compliment to JT that money can buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 You aren't going to contend for a title with a JT/Sura backcourt. SO...Get rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted April 14, 2004 Premium Member Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 It depends on what you got in the frontcourt. JT is a player who can put up points. That's important. I would agree with you to get rid of him, but we have to be sure: 1. We get a PG that can run the show. 2. We get another player who can put up 18 a night. 3. We are not trading JT for Nothing in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 Chris Crawford has proven that almost any player can score. JT does it at a extremely percentage. JT honestly does nothing well... 41%fg is bad 33%3pt is bad His defense is already as bad as defense can get He doesn't bring leadership He doesn't play a team game properly Not to mention he's terribly inconsisant which means you can't count on him What does JT do well enough to keep him? He had his one year to run the team two years ago. I supported him getting a fair shake back then. But he proved he couldn't do it. Who cares we the teams gets for JT. Getting rid of him is good enough because he doesn't help a team. I'm sure the Jazz wouldn't want him now because now they know Arroyo is the better PG and player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjohns3 Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 JT's shooting has been bad because he's been trying extra hard to get other people involved,his scoring is down because he has cut back on his shots while concentrating on his defense,and his defense isn't as bad as you all think it is. a Sura/JT backcourt may not win a championship,but we're not thinking championship right now,right now we're just trying to get back to being competitive. JT is gonna be a solid player whether it's off the bench as a 6th man or as our starting PG. He should stay. ~Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Who gave up 28 points to Marcus Banks in 32 minutes? JT's defense IS that bad. He;s a bench player that should play limited minutes. The only reason he has even had good stats is because the team has been terrible since he's been here. Jt should actually be shooting less if 40% is the best he can shoot. His shot has got worse every year he's been in the league. You aren't going to win games with a JT/Sura backcourt because neither are starters. Just because the scrubs have played well when the games mean nothing doesn't mean they are future players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Honestly, I tried to overlook JT's defense a few years ago. But it's sad when you get burned by even the likes of Anthony Johnson and such. Not to mention JT represents possibly the worst era in Hawks history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGRat Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Guys, I know Sura has played well for the Hawks, but don't forget that he gets hurt almost every year. He's a SNT possibility to me, but not someone I'd hang my hat on. He played 70+ games in only 5 of his 9 seasons and not since '01-02. On his career he's averaged 66 games playing an average 22 minutes. Did anyone else notice he could not finish the last game? If he has value, I say get something for it. He is not building material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyman3 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 "He is not building material." - the thing is... he'll come cheap. it wont break our pockets to get him... that being said, i dont think his INJURY-history is something to be concerned about. signing him is a very low risk. the possible rewards outweigh the small risks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weez Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Sadly enough, I'd have to agree. That's a terrible track record, even moreso for a guard. Fact of the matter is, he's like Crawford (Chris) in that he plays all out and yet lacks the super durability ~ unless you have the ability to utilize him as a full fledged 6th man. we're all high on him due to the amazing stats he's been putting up lately...but have you really looked at his stats? 3pt%? That's not what you want from one of your backcourt players unless you have a sf with very good 3pt capabilities, ala Jackson, who can therefore cover the deficiency. As we don't have Jackson signed, I don't see how we can go out and sign Sura. Just the straight up facts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pathway23 Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Marquis Daniels doesn't have a guaranteed contract, his status will be the same as Hansen's this offseason, so the Hawks might be able to pry him away from Dallas for what they would pay Sura. I like Marquis Daniels a LOT....he has tremendous game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjohns3 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Quote: Who gave up 28 points to Marcus Banks in 32 minutes? JT's defense IS that bad. He;s a bench player that should play limited minutes. The only reason he has even had good stats is because the team has been terrible since he's been here. Jt should actually be shooting less if 40% is the best he can shoot. His shot has got worse every year he's been in the league. You aren't going to win games with a JT/Sura backcourt because neither are starters. Just because the scrubs have played well when the games mean nothing doesn't mean they are future players. Let me ask u this,who DID play defense in that game? Not Atlanta & certainly not Boston,both teams scored over 30 points in regulation. It was just playing for fun tryin not to get hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjohns3 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Quote: Honestly, I tried to overlook JT's defense a few years ago. But it's sad when you get burned by even the likes of Anthony Johnson and such. Not to mention JT represents possibly the worst era in Hawks history. JT got burned by AJ ONCE. AJ is no star but hes a decent backup. That's early in the year anyways,JT reommited himself to defense at the mid way point(just b4 the trade deadline),and that's when we started to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 The team started winning? When did that happen? Additionally, the started to win a few the sametime they always do...When they have no chance in H#ll at getting into the playoffs. It's the same story every year. JT gets burned time after time. He isn't that good. If he played on a top team he'd find himself coming off the bench in limited minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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