AJC: Hawks' coaching job attractive or repelling?

[Diesel]

In that line of thinking... Let's look at some teams..

Indy.

Under Bird...

Rick Carlisle coached under Bird. But Carlisle Learned under Chuck Daly...

[Diesel]

You argument makes one very wrong assumption..

Which is that Knight hired Woody with NO Experience coaching. Woody was the assistant in Detroit who was given credit for them having a kick butt defense.

That doesn't make him a head coach, but it does put him in the neighborhood.

Back to fishing, this guy is the apprentice to a Roland Martin or actually a better fisherman. Do you think he doesn't know how to fish?? It's like being a top executive for Donald Trump... You might not be Donald, but you probably have a lot of experience that can help you manage a business... Again, it depends on what kind of people you have working for you. Whereas a lot of Donald's people come out of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, or somewhere else with great credentials, you're trying to run your company with Atlanta Metropolitan College people... It's going to take some time.

Now. Where I agree with you is his statements... Like:

He's not a motivator.

He couldn't coach Diaw.

When I hear things Like that.. I cringe! But I'm willing to give him as much time as I would give a vet coach because he was placed in a bad situation.

[drzachary]

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He couldn't coach Diaw.

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Diaw's fault.

[Wretch]

I know he's got experience and, like everyone else in here, I know it is from the championship aura under Larry Brown. However...you also make a bad assumption too...that because a person is PART of a winning team makes them a winner as well. Moreover, in that environment...he was heralded as the defensive mastermind, working with vets (no less), who are all being told what to do by Larry Brown; in no way does that mean LB's coaching ability has rubbed off onto him and nor does it mean that Woodson, the defensive specialist of Larry Brown's veteran teams, is capable of mentoring raw talent.

He knows the game, I'm sure; he's played it and learned from one of the best. Though, all of these guys in a sense know the game and for all of their knowledge, it doesn't make them good coaches. More importantly, it doesn't make them the right fit.

Back to the point though. I don't think Woody should be given a pass simply because the team is flawed. A) He knew the situation coming in and B) his ability is his ability...regardless of what he's been given to work with. I don't think bringing in some veteran is going to automagically fix everything; but, I don't think (if we make the right choice) that they can be much worse.

Process of elimination.

[Plainview1981]

I'd saying it's not an attractive job.

What would make it an attactive job? Some young talent?

Most teams have some young talent.

However, a franchise can't go lower than the Hawks currently

are.. The team that was the close to it last was the the 97-02 Denver Nuggets.

-The fan support]

-The stuff that happend in the offseason

-The losing culture

-And another thing is the two big holes on the team which happen to be the hardest positions to fill. This is a big

one right here.

How are the Hawks going to get out of this? I think it will

take some freak luck. I think it probably happend that way some in Sac Town. The Hawks will break the spell sooner or

later... But it's going to take more than a good coaching

staff.. Some freak luck.

[Diesel]

I still believe that you can't discount his experience as an assistant as being all LB. I mean, it was not only Detroit's defense.. He also did the same thing in Philly that helped them to go to a championship.. He also did some work in Indy before their championship run and Milwaukee. The man has lots of experience.

Where I agree with you is that he experience doesn't mean he's prepared for totally green players... BUT what exactly did you expect after 1 yr and much player movement? Think about it... We have moved Walker, Drobs, Kenny Anderson, Googs, Kevin Willis, Donta, Diaw and have moved in JJ, Zaza, Marvin, and Salim. And all of these players are playing either starting positions or major minutes. In 1 yr what do you expect?

Moreover... You said:

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Back to the point though. I don't think Woody should be given a pass simply because the team is flawed. A) He knew the situation coming in and B) his ability is his ability...regardless of what he's been given to work with.

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Yeah, everybody knew that this team was flawed and many experts said that whoever is given the job should be given 4 yrs to get it together. YET, we're raising the flag after 1 yr and 18 games??

Come on ..... What's the expectation?

[Lascar78]

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I'd saying it's not an attractive job.

What would make it an attactive job? Some young talent?

Most teams have some young talent.

However, a franchise can't go lower than the Hawks currently

are.. The team that was the close to it last was the the 97-02 Denver Nuggets.

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The reason it would be attractive is because you would be a hero if you could turn it around. Look at the job Vandeweghe did in turning the Nugs around, and then look at the job Karl did in waking that team up. It is feasible. And it will happen. The only question is when. It might take 6 months, it might take 8 years, but it will happen. We aren't going to not go to the playoffs for the next 80 years.

The job is unattractive because you are likely to lose alot, but it's attractive because you have the opportunity to be the guy that turns the whole thing around.

[Plainview1981]

Well, the Hawks are worse than the Nuggets were when you

consider the lack of fanbase along with questionable

ownership and such. As I said, it's going to some luck

to get the Hawks turned around.

it will happen sooner or later.. But I see no reason to

believe why it would happen anytime soon.

[Lascar78]

right, but there still is a reason why the job is appealing. If you think you're that good, you could be the guy to turn it around, the local savior

[drzachary]

Lascar,

We've already shown that the vast majority of NBA players are absolute cowards who only want to go to situations where the team is winning -- before they even arrive.

Why would it be any different with coaches?

[Wretch]

I expected a little more...but to me, and I'd say to the organization too, Woody has shown...well, nothing.

Stotts didn't do much...but he did something. He found a way to get the most out of his players and they responded, even though all he did was turn 'em loose.

Kruger found a way for JT to be effective...

EMuss found a way to motivate the guys after a humiliating game against Orlando? was it... He put something up in the locker room that got their attention.

Minor stuff, but what is noteworthy about Woody?

He lost Diaw...

He can't find a way to make Chill more effective...

He lost control of the locker room...

Our player's offense and defense are completely undisciplined...

He's IN LOVE with TyLue...well, that's just a rumor.

Seriously though, he has shown me less than any coach we've had here in the last few years and it has gotten progressively worse with each loss. Guys are hanging their heads...owners are getting antsy...

And NOBODY is coming to the defense of the coach. Where are the players? Even in Philly, with LB and AI's historic rifts, Iverson would come out and give LB his due. When things go wrong like this, it isn't out of the ordinary for a team captain or a whole team to come out and support the coach. If there were any merits to Woody SOMEBODY from the locker room would come out and say SOMETHING. It's almost like they either don't give a damn or they are simply waiting for him to be relased so they can open their mouths.

[Lascar78]

First, not all are cowards. See JJ. Some are willing to risk it.

Second, there are over 400 jobs for NBA players. Turning down one opportunity still leaves plenty of others. If your goal is to be an NBA head coach, there are only 30 people fortunate enough to have that job at any given time in the entire world. There is much more incentive to take a job when you get a chance. A player who is good enough can turn down a losing situation and go to a winning one. He might have to sacrifice a little money, but that's about it. In coaching, if you turn down one job, you might not get another one that year.

It's just a whole different ball game.

I thought Silas was the perfect fit, I still think he is. He is tough on his players but doesn't alientate them, and he has plenty of experience.