Diesel Reveals the truth about Dickau.

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I said Toni's stats were bloated.Knights 6.1APG really isn't

alot to brag about to be honest with you.But we lost game

after game with his so called true PG skills.

When did Nazr average 15PPG [censored]...WIth you 12PPG

becomes 15PPG....just like in the other arguement you

claimed Vancouver game up 110PPG....Hell you bloat

stats yourself.

" Do you believe that JT had no one to pass to when there

was 19 ppg Toni and 15 ppg Nazr. "

When did Toni average 19PPG with JT playing PG?If you are

talking about last season JT played SG moron.As you said

Brevin played PG so what the hell are you talking about with

"JT had no one to pass to when there was 19PPG Toni"What

did you want JT to do??Average 7APG at SG?What are you

trying to accomplish with this?Don't blame Jt because Lon

didn't put him at PG that year when he should have had.

" Explain why it is that other PGs can have less to work with

than JT had and still do better?"

Did Brevin and Jacque win?If you say no then they didn't do

any better.Look at the Boston Celtic game at the end...It really

isn't that hard.How did they do better?Brevin average 6APG on

a TERRIBLE team.Is that better than going 19-16 are you just

that stupid?I'll take JT's 20PPG 6.9APG over Knights 6.1APG

6PPG and 37% shooting anyday ESP when we won more games

with JT.

"3. There are no such things as Bloated Stats."

When a guy averageds 18.8PPG on a 19 win team that is bloated

stats.but somebody has to score right?Somebody has score obviou-

sally.Winning and losing often comes to big plays.

This is why Kukoc can average 15PPG on a team that doesn't win...

but when it comes to winning he isn't going to give you much prod-

uction.The proof was there from his lack of production the second

half of the season..He went from 18PPG on a 19 win Bulls team to

a 8PPG player on a winning Philly team and back to a 19PPG scorer

on a bad team again.Don't you see the pattern?Or are you blind

to it just like everything else?

Toni=Winning team 8PPG

Toni+Terrible team=18PPG and it comes out as bloated stats

Where was the 19PPG this year and the 19PPG in Philly.. where

was it?Since they aren't bloated stats how come Toni has lost

his job to backups all the time when teams are pushing for wins.

It would have been nice to see Toni's not so bloated stats helping

us out the second half of last year wouldn't it?

Again you have no proof to backup anything you say.

The biggest arguement you have is...Brevin Knight averaged

6APG on a Terrible team! That's why he is still a backup to

Memphis isn't it?Like 6APG is so impressive in the first place

considering he couldn't score either....or rebound...or even

hit a open jumper.

My facts are alittle more believeable....We won with JT at PG

averaging more APG than your great Brevin Knight.

We were 11 wins 35 losses with Knight at PG

We were 19 wins 16 losses with Terry at PG

54% winning with Terry PG.

23.9% winning with Knight at PG.

NUFF SAID..

You damn right it's a team game...Terry's won and

Brevin Knights team didn't win.Brevin played 29MPG

and had 6.1APG while Terry was pulling in about 6.9APG

in about 38MPG.Knight also didn't have to score like

JT did.When your 2nd/3rd/4th options are DJ/Newble/Nazr

you are going to have to shoot.You know this,but yet

you try to ignore it.You act as if JT had limited responability

to score.

You have admitted Newble has no jumpshot,DJ is nothing

but a low percentage jump shooter.....So Terry has to shoot

more than pass cause the other guys simply aren't worth a

damn.It's not that hard to see.

I have cut every single one of your arguements to pieces.It's

clear to see...you praise a guy that had no scoring responabilities

and averaged a lousy 6.1APG to a guy that was forced to score

and still averaged more APG.You can't say"Oh if Brevin had played

38MPG he might have averaged 9APG"look at Mohammads rebounding...

he averaged 9RPG last year in 25.6MPG and only averaged 7.9 in

29MPG this year.Increased minutes doesn't always mean increased

production.So don't give me that arguement either.

Hell since Brevin only averaged 6.9PPG and made everyone better he

should have averaged closer to 8APG like Stockton did.He played 29MPG

and still managed to hit 8APG.

[Guest]

This thread has grown too big.It's going to be taking up

the whole front page before long.I'm saying you need to

wakeup and look at the person who was responsable for

our improvement this year.It sure as hell wasn't SAR.He

didn't improve us at all this year.In fact had JT stayed

at SG we would have won less games this year than the

last year.

For such a top PF Reef had a small overall impact on our

team.Our wins only increased due to Jt's position change.

Some people actually believe Reef is close to KG/Duncan..

If one of those two had been on the team we would have

made the playoffs.Winning often comes down to big plays

because more often than not, you are going to be involved

in alot of close games...This is were JT is a big time player

usally and Reef/Knight/Toni don't get the job done.

Your logic is retared.Using Knight who averaged less APG

and less wins saying he ran the team better than JT.Where

is the proof?It didn't come in the assist department or

win/loss section...Where is your proof?The only thing for

you to assume is that Knight would average more APG

than JT in a 38MPG clip but you don't know that for sure

because increased minutes doesn't always mean increased

production.

Again were is the proof that Knight done such a better job?

I've got a better idea...I've made too many long posts on

this subject while you were wrong along time ago.You have

no stats,no proof,no winning record....no nothing but your

assuming and opinion.That's all you really have and it's simply

not enough to go over more assist and more wins that JT

produced at PG spot and won more games in a less period

of time than Knight did.

Just like you were exposed on Romac never starting and

somehow Vancouver gave up 110PPG.

I've wasted enough time proving you wrong.I've said everything

I need to say and made my point clear.

[Diesel]

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I said Toni's stats were bloated.Knights 6.1APG really isn't

alot to brag about to be honest with you.But we lost game

after game with his so called true PG skills.

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Really? I didn't know that One man was responsible for weather we win or Lose? I guess you feel that Pau Gasol and Shane Battier Ain't [censored]. I mean the only reason that they do so well is "they play on a losing team and somebody has to score"? I guess you felt that Elton Brand and Andre Miller wasn't Sh!t. I mean Andre Miller stats (leading the league in assists and all) was just bloated stats and because his team never won too much, he's not really that good? You need to wake up HLD. There are no one man teams. Basketball is a Team Sport.

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When did Nazr average 15PPG [censored].

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Simple. I said, I see these guys talking about what JT did over 46 games as if the rest of the season didn't matter. Therefore, if you look over Nazr's history for his first few weeks as a Hawk, Nazr didn't do well. However, after he learned the playbook, he averaged about 15 ppg and 12 rpg going down the stretch.

In reply to:

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When a guy averageds 18.8PPG on a 19 win team that is bloated

stats

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Then by your own admission, JT's stats are all bloated as well? I mean he has these High averages on our losing team AND you also say that he has nobody else on the team to look to to score. That's doubly bad. IN your logic, that would mean that Jason Terry is really no better than Rumeal Robinson. Rumeal just had too much talent around him so his stats were never bloated.

[Guest]

Really? I didn't know that One man was responsible for

weather we win or Lose?"

Last time I looked at the Spurs they only had one really

good player.

It's just funny how we didn't win with

TOni 19.7PPG

JT 19.7PPG

Lo 12.4PPG 8RPG

Nazr 12PPG 10RPG

Why didn't Brevin win with those guys?That's a awful lot

of production right there isn't it?

Jt was winning passing to:

DJ 8PPG

Newble 8PPG

SAR:21.2PPG

Nazr 9.9PPG

Notice the drop off after Shareef.

Lo's numbers stayed the same in Memphis...Toni CLEARLY showed

his age last year. and Mohammad saw the only real drop off.

You can talk about how Jt should have made those guys better

or whatever.But DJ the only person that is going to make him

a better player is himself by actually not being SCARED of the

ball.Newble doesn't have a jumper at all.

"However, after he learned the playbook, he averaged about 15

ppg and 12 rpg going down the stretch."

Haven't you been one of the guys that have even wondered if

Lon had a playbook?Sounds like a real cheap excuse.Lon didn't

use much of a playbook.We used JT in ALOT of one on one

situations.Seemed like time after time we would clear the side

out for JT to take his man one on one.Being that we had to do

this very often it doesn't suggest to me that Brevin did that

great of a job making people better.

"Then by your own admission, JT's stats are all bloated as

well?I mean he has these High averages on our losing team

AND you also say that he has nobody else on the team to

look to to score.That's doubly bad. IN your logic, that would

mean that Jason Terry is really no better than Rumeal Robinson."

We were not a 19 win team.I SAID TERRIBLE TEAM as in you

know...under 20 wins.We have been a bad team...but never

that bad.Toni produces less when the team is winning....Notice

that when we had a winning record in the second half of the

season JT had career highs in PPG and APG.He got better the

second half of the season when we were winning games.

You can make the arguement that is 2000-2001 stats were

bloated....However he done his best when we were winning..

Those stats in the second half of the year were not bloated.

All Toni had to do was been a decent 14PPG 3rd option.We were

counting on him as a solid 3rd option and he couldn't get the

job.

I have nothing else left to prove here.I stick to my guns.The only

time Toni has produced was in a meaningless 17 games in which

the team was headed in no direction and on a 19 win Bulls team.

These are facts.

[JTFan31]

Look Diesel in reality there is nothing negative to say about Jason Terry. No one here has nothing bad to say about JT, obviously by the way you post your information, it looks to me and to everyone on here that you want JT out of Atlanta, WHY? he has done everything right, he s a great citizen, great sportmanship, great attitude, great player, great big heart........I mean JT is just a great individual. Why get rid of not only a good thing but a great thing. JT is one of the best all around players that has passed through our hands and he is definitely a keeper. We have nothing against Dickau, but all this nonsense of you rather have Dickau starting over JT is getting old and needs to be stopped, because it will never ever happen and alot of people on here are starting to hate the fact that Dickau is a hawk.

Diesel you are entitled in your opinions, but this one opinion is getting old and getting into peoples head. Ever since Dickau was drafted you have been stirring up the pot to trade JT and saying that Dickau is more of a true pg and Dickau can run the team better. I think it needs to stop Diesel, I mean now I know why people on here dont like you much is very obvious. I thought you were a Hawks fan Diesel? shouldnt you be behind JT all the way man......I mean whats your problem with the guy. He basically is a proven star in this league and could possibly be an allstar thsi year, he is just a great person and neither one here has anything bad to say about him and then you are practically favoring a rookie that hasnt gone against the likes of B. Davis, J. Kidd, A. Miller, M. Bibby just to name a few. I mean come on he couldnt even practically shake off that cba PG the Bucks had in that summer league.....I believe his name was Mike Wilks or Milk.......but thats not the point, the point is just layoff the subject man is getting old and people in here are irritated about hearing you that our top player is worthless.