Insider:The rookie cream,surprises,disappointments

[WraithSentinel]

Insider

Anyone got the rest of it?

[greg__7]

I'd like to see as well...

[Packfill]

It is not very informative. In a nut shell, Marvin is a disappointment based on his draft position (but he things he has potential) and Salim is a "surprise" because he is a second rounder who will definitely have a decade long career because of the niche he fills - i.e., shooter. Oh, and Paul is far and away the cream of the crop.

[Traceman]

THE CREAM

Chris Paul, New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets: In addition to all the other things he's bringing to the table, check out this stat: Paul has the second-best Rebound Rate of any point guard, trailing only Jason Kidd. The 6-foot, 20-year-old Paul is outrebounding Mark Blount, Rashard Lewis, Andre Iguodala, Shane Battier, Carmelo Anthony, Tayshaun Prince, Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade, among others.

Sarunas Jasikevicius, Indiana Pacers: The Lithuanian combo guard has been one of the few Pacers to make it through the year without breaking something, and his numbers should improve once he adjusts to the longer NBA 3-pointer. He's at 39.2 percent from downtown even now, which isn't bad, but with his stroke he could be in the low to mid-40s next year. Better yet, he's proved better at running the offense than expected and could take over at the point if Jamaal Tinsley's struggles continue.

Charlie Villanueva, Toronto Raptors: Rob Babcock took heat for this pick, but he's turned out to have the last laugh (well, except for the part where he got fired last month). Villanueva still needs work on his defense, but his variety of offensive skills has him averaging nearly 20 points per 40 minutes and creating nightly matchup problems for opponents. The main concern is that the 6-11 forward plays the same position as Raptors star Chris Bosh, making a future trade south of the border a distinct possibility.

Channing Frye, New York Knicks: A star in the making, were it not for the Knicks' baffling reluctance to play him. Look Larry, you're a great coach, but anytime you're looking up at the Hawks in the standings, it's time to give it a rest and let the kids play. Frye's per-minute numbers are phenomenal -- 21.2 points, 9.4 boards per 40 minutes -- and they'd almost certainly be even better if his role and minutes didn't fluctuate on a nightly basis. He's one of the best shooting big men in basketball, but he's not just a perimeter guy -- Frye gets to the line and blocks shots too. The defense needs work, though.

Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee Bucks: He's turned out about as expected, and were it not for Paul's exploding onto the scene, he'd be cruising toward a Rookie of the Year trophy. Bogut still takes his lumps on some nights, but he's a high-percentage scorer (52.8 percent from the floor), he rebounds and he's one of the best passing big men in the game. And while the Rookie of the Year award won't be his, Bogut already has blown Luc Longley and Andrew Gaze off the map for the title of "Greatest-ever Australian basketball player."

THE SURPRISES

Salim Stoudamire, Atlanta Hawks: For a guy taken with the 31st overall pick, Damon's cousin has established a niche very quickly. The naysayers were right about two things: He's not a true point guard, and he's not much of a defender. But with that shot of his, it doesn't matter. Stoudamire is shooting 38.1 percent on 3-pointers and 88.1 percent from the line, and will stay in the league for a decade because of his unlimited range.

Jarrett Jack, Portland Trail Blazers: Yes, the Blazers traded the pick that could have been Chris Paul, but never let it be said that they didn't get jack. Taken with the 22nd pick, the rookie from Georgia Tech has earned crunch-time minutes because of his defense, and at 6-3, 202 pounds, he has the size and strength to finish around the rim. Right now he can't shoot to save his life, but if he ever gets a jumper, he'll be a long-term starter.

Danny Granger, Pacers: He may not be a surprise in the sense that people are shocked by what he's doing, since a lot of people had high hopes for Granger. But the fact remains that he was the 17th overall pick and is playing a major role on a quasi-contending team. While his numbers aren't anything special, he's as far along defensively as any of the other rookies and showed he can score when called upon. In this class, that's noteworthy.

Linas Kleiza, Denver Nuggets: Kleiza hasn't seen much action because some guy named Carmelo plays the same position, but when he's been out there he's performed very well. While Denver's other first rounder, Julius Hodge, has spent the year learning the meaning of "business casual," Kleiza has helped the injury-wracked Nuggets stay afloat. The Lithuanian is unusually physical for a Euro and has the pipes to prove it, helping him to one of the best rebound rates among small forwards.

David Lee, Knicks: The last pick of the first round started every game in the Knicks' six-game winning streak, the lone bright spot in an otherwise miserable season. So of course, Brown had to put him back on the bench. Despite having to sit behind mediocrities such as Jerome James, Maurice Taylor and Malik Rose, Lee is shooting 59.8 percent and has one of the best rebound rates among forwards. The 6-9 lefty should become a fixture in the Knicks' rotation if one is ever established.

THE DISAPPOINTMENTS

Deron Williams, Utah Jazz: Come back, Carlos Arroyo, all is forgiven. The Jazz are saying the right things about their bungled choice of Williams over Paul this June, but good heavens, look at their actions. Last week, Jerry Sloan went to a lineup with two points guards, and didn't choose Williams for either spot. It wasn't like they had Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson lying around either -- Williams is now backing up Keith McLeod and Milt Palacio. That's what 38 percent shooting with few offsetting positives will get you.

Rashad McCants, Minnesota Timberwolves: The scouting report on McCants coming out of North Carolina was that he acted like a knucklehead sometimes and didn't play much defense, but at least he could score. So far, he's been a knucklehead more often than not and hasn't played much defense … and he hasn't scored either. A curious inability to draw fouls (he's taken only 63 free throws all season) and a penchant for turnovers have been his biggest offensive problems.

Martell Webster, Blazers: The Blazers traded down to No. 6 from No. 3 to get Webster and then insisted they liked him better than Chris Paul anyway. I'm guessing they've reconsidered that position. Webster has a wonderful jumper but has miles to go in every other respect. In his first pro seasons out of high school, he's currently struggling even in the D-League, all while David Stern smugly looks on and pats himself on the back for banning high schoolers from the draft.

Antoine Wright, New Jersey Nets: Wright couldn't have come into a more promising situation. He was joining a winning team with a weak bench that was in particular need of another scorer. Wright fit the bill on all counts, but he was so bad in preseason that he's spent most of the season on the inactive list and hasn't been able to beat out Lamond Murray for minutes.

Marvin Williams, Hawks: It's not a good year for rookies named Williams. In addition to Deron and Marvin there's a third Williams, Louis, who has hardly played after being a second-round pick by the 76ers. I know what you're thinking -- how can I call Marvin a disappointment when I just wrote that his upside is so high? Here's why: He was the second overall pick, and his play as a rookie hasn't backed up his draft spot. So while I think he'll eventually play his way off this list, right now he has to be on it.

THE REST

Jose Calderon, Raptors: Pass-first Spanish point guard could inherit starting job if Mike James is traded, but needs to shoot better to keep it.

Fabricio Oberto, San Antonio Spurs: Argentine beef import has struggled to get minutes in Spurs' crowded frontcourt, and hasn't stood out in his few chances.

Raymond Felton, Charlotte Bobcats: Charlotte probably wishes it picked one spot sooner, but Felton looks solid as point guard of the future.

Ike Diogu, Golden State Warriors: A studly scorer who torched Detroit's Wallaces, Diogu's defensive limitations make him impossible to pair with Troy Murphy.

Andrew Bynum, Los Angeles Lakers: Raw teenage center intrigues with tools but has long, long way to go.

Fran Vazquez, Orlando Magic: Prefers being El Hombre in Spain to being El Caddy for Dwight Howard.

Yaroslav Korolev, Clippers: Russian teen has earned more splinters than minutes on veteran squad.

Sean May, Bobcats: He needs to drop 20, but May showed he could play before knee injury ended his season.

Joey Graham, Raptors: Not sure why Babcock took him ahead of Granger. He defends, but he can't score. Twin brother Stephen tore up CBA, by the way.

Gerald Green, Boston Celtics: High schooler may get some burn now that Celtics are fading from playoff race.

Hakim Warrick, Memphis Grizzlies: Started to turn the corner of late, but high flier still needs some muscle and a jumper.

Julius Hodge, Nuggets: In Denver's ongoing quest for a shooting guard, nobody has ever suggested that Hodge might be the answer.

Nate Robinson, Knicks: World's shortest two guard still rough around the edges, but he's athletic enough to make it work.

Francisco Garcia, Sacramento Kings: Brutally bad at start of year, he's put it together in past few weeks to become key cog off bench.

Luther Head, Houston Rockets: Decent shooter needs to develop in other areas, but apparently used compromising photos of commissioner to get rookie game invite.

Johan Petro, Seattle SuperSonics: Plays harder than Jerome James did, but not any more effectively yet.

Jason Maxiell, Detroit Pistons: Man, that's a heck of a team he's watching.

Wayne Simien, Miami Heat: Has seen sporadic action on a veteran Miami team and hasn't made a case for more.

Ian Mahinmi, San Antonio Spurs: Spurs think he could be best thing from France since the Coneheads, but teenage big man will stay overseas for a while longer.

James Singleton, Clippers: Took him a while to make the NBA, but defensive ace clearly belongs.

Daniel Ewing, Clippers: Got minutes in thin backcourt but hasn't done much with them.

Andray Blatche, Wizards: Teenage forward showed lots of skills in limited burn.

Donell Taylor, Wizards: Though undrafted, he's taken over as Wizards' backup PG.

Monta Ellis, Warriors: Going preps-to-pros is tough on guards, but he can score.

Shavlik Randolph, 76ers: Plays more for Philly than he did for Duke. Playing better, too.

Travis Diener, Magic: Size an issue, but shooting could make up for it.

Charlie Bell, Bucks: Became one of Bucks' top reserves before hurting knee.

Chuck Hayes, Rockets: Undrafted out of Kentucky, he's proving he belongs.

Chris Taft, Warriors: Fared well in his few chances but has a lot of bodies ahead of him.

Orien Greene, Celtics: Atrocious offensively, he's getting minutes but probably shouldn't.

[rascurrein]

I wanna say a few words about BATMAN since he is the second player that make me follow Hawks season since Mutombo.

BATMAN is getting minutes on court and because of that he is gaining confidence. In the last few games he was playing about 8 minutes and the team didn't resent on their play, instead he was protagonist of one of the come-backs of the season. i'm suprprise that he is getting more minutes than Edwards who knows better the NBA, but that makes me happy.

BATMAN won't be the rookie of the year, maybe he will be at the bottom, but i think he is improving the most.

Two weeks ago i was complaining 'cause Woody saids that Batman wasn't playing because his english wasn't good enough. It seems that in two weeks he learned the language and started to play about 8 minutes a game when he wasn´t playing at all.

Another thing is that those players that are the mark for BATMAN stop scoring, ok i know that he fouls a lot and maybe he looks like a wrestler, but he acomplished the goal that Woody puts for him. And as he is getting minutes he is earning confidence, that results on less fouls and better rebounding whitout loosing performance in defence.

From URUGUAY for the ATLANTA HAWKS

[Traceman]

He is learning the NBA game and he is not afraid to get in there and bang with the big boys. He gives us some inside toughness when he gets in there.

[Popeye]

I love the guy!!

[ATLJA316]

I can see him on our team for a long time to come.

the comedy he comes with is awsome too.

[macdaddy]

Hello Uruguay!!!

A lot of us love Batman here too. On a team of finesse players we desperately need a banger. You are absolutely right that he usually slows his man down one way or another. I'd definitely like to see him get more minutes.

I hadn't heard that about him not playing because of his english. That sounds like BS. How many words do you need to know on the court. That didn't stop Yao from playing.

[Gray Mule]

Uruguay - Hello !! Nice to hear from you.

For a VERY long time, I have said Hawks need a "Tractor

Trailer" type player. Tractor is a big, rugged guy

who plays hard, clogs up the middle and slows down

the inside game of the opponent. He rebounds, too.

Batman is this type player and I think he fills a real

need for Atlanta. As he plays more, he will continue

to improve his NBA game and get more minutes.

I like him and hope he stays an Atlanta Hawk for a

long time.

[CrawDaddy]

BATMAN has become my favority Hawk. How does a player earn such honors you ask? My favorite Hawk is usually the guy that I think is playing the hardest. Whenever Batista gets in there, he's always looking to make something happen. He was a big, albeit silent, part of why we beat the Pistons the other night. He came in banging, and made some nice hustle plays. Uruguay's finest is not going unnoticed here in the States.

[KB21]

That's a characteristic of most of the international players that come into the league. It's very easy to tell that the large majority of them are playing the game simply because they love to play the game. Sometimes, I think the US born players play the game for exposure, not because they love it.

Anyway, Batman gets out there and plays his heart out. I have never seen him give less than 100% when he was on the court. He's a developmental prospect at this point who will gradually get more minutes as time goes by. I think he's only 21 or 22 years old as well. If he were still playing in Uruguay, he'd probably be averaging 22-23 ppg and 15 rpg. It was widely considered this past season that adding Batman to the roster was like adding another first round pick to the roster.

[Popeye]

Not many international players come here just because of they physical play and toughnes. He is unique.