Diesel's Players wish List!

[Diesel]

These are obtainable players. NOT like me saying... "I want KG for Big Dog, Hendu, CC".

1. Jamal Mashburn.

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/...72309252502.xml

I've always been a Mash fan and am not a band wagon jumper. However, he has what we need to compete. IF we get #1, 2, or 3 in this years draft, I say send it to N.O. with Big dog for Mash and a 2nd rounder and watch us become the best team in the East.

2. Jalen Rose.

I think if we keep JT, we have to get another Gaurd in here that can compliment him as being a playmaker. Rose is number 1.

3. Brent Barry.

Barry is number 2.

4. Shane Battier.

IF we could trade Big Dog for Battier and filler, it wouldbe good for us. Battier is a role player. However, he fits us well. He's exactly what Theo needs in a defender. He's exactly what Reef needs in an excuter.

Maybe Big Dog for Battier, Dickerson might be available?

5. Juwaun Howard.

Howard is the kind of player that would make us better. I like his game even though it's not flashy. I fear he will go to the Lakers and make their dynasty.

[PoppaFritz]

I've liked the idea of getting Brent Barry for a while now. He just helps in so many areas. What would be the possibility of adding either Bruce Bowen or Eduardo Najera? I don't know their current contract situations but both of them are good defensively and are role players that help to make their teams better without demanding the ball on offense.

[jaywalker72]

Bowen is a smaller version of Newble, from what I have seen, so why not get the cheaper alternative in Newble, who can't seem to command more than one million a year.

Bowen, on the other hand, signed a 3 year, 13 million dollar deal over last summer.

In fact, Newble's agent continued to invoke the name of Bowen and the summer other big theif, Greg Buckner, who must have some pictures of Larry Brown to get that 6 year, 18 million dollar deal last summer from the Sixers.

Even with that, Pete held his ground last summer, and Newble came on in for the million.

Replacement value players like that should not be overpaid.

We have the cheaper alternative in Newble, and if he leaves, you can find others without over paying.

[PoppaFritz]

Good point. I agree they are very similar in almost eveery statistical category, except for one area....3pt shooting. I think Ira is a liability from the perimeter. Often times he finds himself not being guarded and this isn't a break down defensively, teams want him to shot. Bowen has been shooting a solid 45% from 3pt range. I agree that economically it's not a huge upgrade but overall I think Bowen's better.

[DJ_Money]

Yeah, but Bowen may be the only guy in the NBA who shoots a higher percentage from 3 than he does from the Free Throw line (45% to 40%).

I don't worry about Ira making threes. If he knocks down a jumper or two, gets a basket off his hustle, and can knock down his free throws, I'm happy. 40% FT shooting is just disgusting.

Stephen Jackson is a guy I wouldn't mind having though...

[Traceman]

I would keep the pick. He would fit our team VERY well. He has excellent size for his position. He's a terrific rebounder, particularly on the offensive end. He's tough and competitive. He is an incredibly skilled inside/outside offensive player. He has a GREAT attitude. He's a pretty decent defender and an above average athlete. He's a terrific ballhandler and passer for his size and he's sees the floor well. I think he's as good a player as LeBron is right now because his J is so much more consistent and because he has excelled playing against a lot better competition than LeBron has faced (although I think LeBron has more upside).

If we got Carmelo, we wouldn't be forced to give him too much too soon due to the presence of Dog (and Reef). I'd try to move Dog if we got Carmelo but I wouldn't worry about it if I couldn't get equal value. Dog could certainly teach the young fellow a few things and the competition would probably make Dog better too. In addition, if Carmelo struggles as a rookie (which is certainly possible), we don't have to shatter his confidence like the Wizards have done with Kwame.

If Carmelo were to go higher than 3, I would certainly be happy with LeBron or Millicic. How could you not be excited about acquiring a guy who would probably sell out your arena every night or about acquiring a skilled 7 footer on a team that lacks interior size?

As for Rose, I agree that he would compliment JT very well. I'd love to get him and I'd even take on his long term deal in exchange for Dog's shorter term deal to make it happen. Whether Chicago would do it or not is another matter.

I like Mash and I'd love to get him, just not for a top 3 pick.

I like Barry and I would love to get him for a reasonable price.

Your proposal of Battier/Dickerson for Dog makes sense and might be doable if Memphis wants to rid itself of Dickerson's deal. I don't think West sees Battier as anything more than a role player and he would probably move him under the right circumstances. I don't know if Dog and his relatively short deal qualify though. That being said, I might just wait until 05/06 and start over rather than acquire any deals that last beyond that date. If I could get a franchise type player in a trade, obviously I wouldn't mind getting a contract that extended beyond 05/06 but I don't think Battier or Dickerson fill that role. The again though, if I thought Battier and a healthy Dickerson could make enough difference in this franchise to at least get into the 2nd round of the playoffs next year (and they might), I could see pulling the trigger on such a deal. At any rate, good, realistic proposal.

As for Juwan, where/how would you play him? I guess you could play him in a 3 man rotation with Reef and Dog and get pretty good results but I think we need more interior size/defense than he will provide.

[cynic]

If we get the #1 pick, we'd be FOOLS to ship it along with Big Dog for a player like Mash!

FOOLS!

If we did happen to wind up #1 and elect to trade the pick, we should get a superstar. I'm talking #1 and Dog or SAR for KG. Nothing less than a superstar for the #1 pick.

Lebron is just too valuable.

Now, #2 or #3, I'd be tempted to get Anthony.

As you know, I want to trade Dog worse than anyone. However, I wouldn't give up a potential superstar just to move him.

I liked your deal of Dog/Theo for Mash/Magloire, though it is a little lopsided. I would work with that one.

[mrhonline]

you're wrong on this one. I'm a stat guy and I admit that Bowen's # are not much better than Newble's, but Bowen's improvement from about the 1/3 mark in the season is one of the main reasons (along with Ginobili's and Jackson's improvement) that the Spurs have been so tough this year. His defense is twice Newble's and he's been playing better on the offensive end. A no-brainer.

Now about his salary, well, that's a whole different story...

[Traceman]

Bowen may be better than Ira (I think he's a LITTLE better) however Bowen makes $3.6 million to Ira's $700,000. I would rather use the nearly $3 million difference in their salaries as a portion of the money to resign JT or as the money to resign DJ. Since we are over the cap, I don't think we can afford to spend $3.6 million/year on a defensive specialist like Bowen when we can get nearly the same thing from Ira for the veteran's minimum. I would certainly rather have Ira AND DJ than Bowen. Shoot, I'd rather have just DJ than Bowen.

[mrhonline]

I would rather have Bowen even at that price, IF Tim Duncan was playing next to him, which is exactly why they gave him that $...Duncan changes EVERYTHING.

But you guys are seriously underrating Bowen. He always gets the hardest backcourt assignment - in the tougher West - and guess which team has the best record vs. the NBA's top 10...I frequent Spurs' boards regularly, and most of their fans could not be happier with Bowen this year, although his offense is quite a surprise. Role players are essential in the WC, while in the East, Bowen would be overpayed...

Again, Bowen's defense is twice Newble's + a little extra in offense. Not even close in talent.

[DJ_Money]

One thing you're wrong about there...backcourt assignments are much tougher in the East. Guys like Artest, Curry in Detroit, and Newble can be huge in the East.

You don't get a night off in the East.

Pierce, E. Jones, Kittles, Houston, McGrady, Iverson, Stackhouse, Rose, R. Davis, Hamilton, Payton/Cassell/Allen, B. Davis, Carter.

That's all the SGs in the East. The only team weak at that position is us. Glover/Newble, bleh. That's why we have to get a guy like Jalen Rose for next year.

[Guest]

Show me were Newble is a good defender...Spree toasted

him tonight.Glover got toasted too it looks like.These guys

suck...If not on the Hawks,Newble wouldn't be on any

other teams roster.

[Traceman]

I don't have anything against Bowen, I just don't think he's good enough that I would take him over JT/Ira or DJ/Ira.

Bowen is a good player and he's not really overpaid when you look at the average salary of players around the league. That being said, he is a role player and he will never be anything more than that. He is filling his role nicely in SA and that's great. If he were here instead of Ira though, we might be better but we wouldn't be THAT much better and we'd be WORSE if JT was gone as well.

[cyman3]

IMO- Newble is the more physical, athletic, and bigger version of Bowen. but thats all physical properties...

when it comes to talent... i do think Bowen is the better player. He might not get any BLOCKS or STEALS, but he puts that "DUDE! get OFF ME!" type defense that bothers superstars. They'll get their points, but will definitely shoot poorly.

Offensively, Bowen is better outside/Newble is better running the flooor and inside.

When u take account of SALARY and TALENT, i think they're about the same. But in our situation- i think we are better off w/ Newble.

Can u really see us playing BETTER w/ BOWEN as opposed to Newble? I think our record would be the same if the 2 were in each others shoes.

OVERALL- Newble is better fit for us, Bowen is better fit for SA (where he can get that wide open 3 w/ MVP DUNCAN getting all the attention).

[mrhonline]

>OVERALL- Newble is better fit for us, Bowen is better fit for SA (where he can get that wide open 3 w/ MVP DUNCAN getting all the attention).

Couldn't agree more...although I think Newble's gets way too many minutes...But that's another story, huh?