Good read about JJ

[HawksFan87]

You aren't answering the question. As Sothron said, he will sign a max contract (or very close to it) whether it be here or somewhere else. So what do you suggest they do when CHI, NYK, NJN, etc. offer him that big contract? Let him walk? If that is the case, which it has to be since you are saying he shouldn't get the contract, who do you target? Who gives you tthat production and is under 30? Wade? If he isn't worth the max, who can you sign that isn't worth the max and will replace his production/presence? I would love to hear your answer for that question.

yeah, I answered it in the way I wanted. I don't think he's worth one. so what's the problem. I'm not changing my opinion on that, and u guys are not either. so why keep responding??

[gsuteke]

the hawks as is today won't peak for 3 more years. That's without a bs signing of a vet center looking to win a title.

Joe would be a fool to leave even if he could pair with bosh. The hawks would still have a better team if joe resigned,

Joe is just leveraging money imo.

Damn you guy don't apreciate how good this team will be in a couple of years.

[niremetal]

yeah, I answered it in the way I wanted.

This guy must be running for office....

[thefloydian]

please read: I didn't mention passing on Joe, I said he's not worth a max contract. and he's not thanks :)

This. There will be no championship with Joe Johnson unless we get really lucky in the draft or someone just gives us someone in a trade.

And people can quote statistics all they want, but if you actually watch Joe Johnson and then go watch players like Wade, it's easy to see how they aren't comparable. Jo vs. Crawford is a much better comparison, and Crawford won't make anywhere near max money.

Edited April 19, 2010 by thefloydian

[SneakerKing33]

The people on this board that think if JJ leaves the Hawks will be ok, are delusional. He is our star. If he leaves, we plummet. Were not gonna get anyone else. He is our key to a ring. If he continues 20/5/5 and his cast continues to improve, we wont need to him be Melo, Kobe, or Wade every night.

[SneakerKing33]

the hawks as is today won't peak for 3 more years. That's without a bs signing of a vet center looking to win a title.

Joe would be a fool to leave even if he could pair with bosh. The hawks would still have a better team if joe resigned,

Joe is just leveraging money imo.

Damn you guy don't apreciate how good this team will be in a couple of years.

Seriously. Unless JJ turns into Derek Fisher this team will be a contender. The talent is there, the potential is there, but the mentality isnt. This is a process. Patience is a virtue when waiting on a team to blossom.

[Atlantaholic]

I think it just depends on what the team's goals are. If they just want to be competitive every year, then they might as well resign Joe. If they actually want to try and win a title, it's not happening with Joe Johnson. It probably won't happen without him either, but stranger stuff has happened.

You know what man, I'm not too sure about that. If we keep Joe for the next two or three years we'll have: Improved Josh, Improved Horf, Teague hopefully starting and giving us improved PG play, A regressing but less selfish Joe (no pressure to perform for a contract anymore), and Jamal.

Cleveland will lose Shaq and Ilgauskus to age (possibly Lebron to Free Agency). Boston is done, Magic will get worse as Vince and Rashard continue to age and decline in play... If we prove we are good enough right now to challenge Cleveland or/and Orlando then I think we seriously need to sign Joe. And not just to be good, but to possibly make it to the finals.

I mean, what I'm getting at is that if we keep Joe, our chances of improving are pretty high. You gotta figure Josh and Horf will continue to improve as they have been doing every year (they are only 23-24 years old!), you know Teague will only get better and you know Marvin can't get worse. Jamal continuing his play is not a given, but I honestly believe he has finally found a role he loves and it is really pushing his game. I think he can have, maybe not years AS good, but pretty similar years to this year.

The elite teams right now are all pretty old at some very important positions, Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Boston, Orlando, Dallas, Cleveland... I doubt any of these teams improves with age. There are some up and coming teams out there for sure (Ok City, Healthy Portland, Millwaukee) But I like my chances against any of those guys.

[99PROBL3MS]

This. There will be no championship with Joe Johnson unless we get really lucky in the draft or someone just gives us someone in a trade.

And people can quote statistics all they want, but if you actually watch Joe Johnson and then go watch players like Wade, it's easy to see how they aren't comparable. Jo vs. Crawford is a much better comparison, and Crawford won't make anywhere near max money.

I said on 3 seperate occasions in this thread that Wade, Kobe, were upgrades over JJ. They are the only upgrades in the entire league at that position though. You want to let the 3rd best SG in the entire NBA walk. Crawford is a scorer. He is not very comparable to JJ. That is why JJ will make max money and Crawford won't. What is it you know that NBA GMs don't? Maybe you should let them see your crystal ball so they too can know who will and won't win an NBA title lol. :write a letter:

[thefloydian]

You know what man, I'm not too sure about that. If we keep Joe for the next two or three years we'll have: Improved Josh, Improved Horf, Teague hopefully starting and giving us improved PG play, A regressing but less selfish Joe (no pressure to perform for a contract anymore), and Jamal.

Cleveland will lose Shaq and Ilgauskus to age (possibly Lebron to Free Agency). Boston is done, Magic will get worse as Vince and Rashard continue to age and decline in play... If we prove we are good enough right now to challenge Cleveland or/and Orlando then I think we seriously need to sign Joe. And not just to be good, but to possibly make it to the finals.

I mean, what I'm getting at is that if we keep Joe, our chances of improving are pretty high. You gotta figure Josh and Horf will continue to improve as they have been doing every year (they are only 23-24 years old!), you know Teague will only get better and you know Marvin can't get worse. Jamal continuing his play is not a given, but I honestly believe he has finally found a role he loves and it is really pushing his game. I think he can have, maybe not years AS good, but pretty similar years to this year.

The elite teams right now are all pretty old at some very important positions, Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Boston, Orlando, Dallas, Cleveland... I doubt any of these teams improves with age. There are some up and coming teams out there for sure (Ok City, Healthy Portland, Millwaukee) But I like my chances against any of those guys.

You might be right about him being less selfish with the new contract. I hadn't thought about that. If that actually happened, the Hawks could improve. I'm not saying we shouldn't resign him, because I think the chances are pretty slim that the Hawks would luck into someone else that would make the team better.

The problem is that even if he plays less selfishly, this team will never run a real offense under Woodson, and Crawford will just end up taking Joe's bad shots.

[AHF]

please read: I didn't mention passing on Joe, I said he's not worth a max contract. and he's not thanks :)

Under your world view, unless you believe that JJ is not going to get a max or near max offer which seems pretty unreasonable given the market dynamics right now, you are faced with the choice between passing on JJ or overpaying him. Which poison are you advocating the Hawks pick? If you are saying the Hawks shouldn't pass on JJ, you are essentially advocating paying him the max. If you are saying the Hawks shouldn't pay him the max, you are essentially advocating passing on JJ.

If you are saying, "resign JJ for significantly less than the max" you might as well advocate signing Wade to our MLE. Neither is realistically likely to happen.