Now is the time!

[Diesel]

It's time for the new ownership or new investor to be in place. Here's the reason...

Doc's contract expires in the offseason. He's holding off talks with Ainge. He says that he wants to spend more time with the family. That's coach code for "I want to way my options". IF you don't believe me listen to Woody, Nellie, or Rudy T. .. Even Lenny. IF you are a coach, you want to be somewhere coaching!

Rivers is not blind, he has an aging team that has already reached it's peak. They have reloaded a bit by getting Green and Rondo, but without replacing the big three, this team is on it's way back down.

He knows the talent that we have. I think he would love to coach his former franchise.. in the south. The only job that could rival this one for him is Orlando or Miami.

[benhillboy]

I would hit the freaking ceiling if we got Doc. Coming from the Great Celtics franchise, I'm sure he would ship Joe out immediately again and help select much lower drafted players who could actually help win something.

Edited March 24, 2011 by benhillboy

[terrell]

It's time for the new ownership or new investor to be in place. Here's the reason...

Doc's contract expires in the offseason. He's holding off talks with Ainge. He says that he wants to spend more time with the family. That's coach code for "I want to way my options". IF you don't believe me listen to Woody, Nellie, or Rudy T. .. Even Lenny. IF you are a coach, you want to be somewhere coaching!

Rivers is not blind, he has an aging team that has already reached it's peak. They have reloaded a bit by getting Green and Rondo, but without replacing the big three, this team is on it's way back down.

He knows the talent that we have. I think he would love to coach his former franchise.. in the south. The only job that could rival this one for him is Orlando or Miami.

Saying your're reaching would be an understatement. Why would Doc want this mess of a team? That would be like going from a Marine corp General(tough as nails), to a girl scout leader(bunch of wussies). Think I'd take my chances with Rondo and Green. Go from there. Not to mention FA's WANT to play in Boston. Edited March 24, 2011 by terrell

[yungsta]

if only the owners would stop being cheap and actually spend money on a piece that is very important to a team which is a respectable coach :kickcan:

Edited March 24, 2011 by yungsta

[niremetal]

now only if the owners are willing to spend money on a respectable coach like doc :kickcan:

The amount of spending isn't the issue anymore and hasn't been for awhile. It's the way the money has been spent that's the issue. We have the league's 8th-highest and the East's 3rd-highest payroll right now. Since every coach in the league except Phil makes less than a mid-level player (and, of course, their salary doesn't factor into the luxury tax), getting a better coach is probably the most cost-effective way to improve a team, so I don't see money as an obstacle to getting a good coach. I know people harp on the reports of LD being the lowest-paid coach in the league, but I honestly think we would have hired LD even if he were a Gentry-to-D'Antoni type of assistant (and thus one commanding a higher salary). They were wooed because LD told them exactly what they wanted to hear, and they got duped by it. Just like they got duped into letting Woody stay on board 2.5 years longer than he should have.

New owners will be nice, but any new owner would also be a businessman, and thus won't spend the luxury tax on a team that isn't likely to reach the ECF. They would, however, make better front office and personnel hirings than ASG does. And they would actually butt out of player personnel decisions and let the front office and coaching staff do their jobs (which is by FAR my biggest gripe about how ASG seems to roll). Overriding Knight when he wanted to fire Woody was, to me, the single dumbest and most chutzpah-filled thing that any Atlanta sports team owner has ever done.

Edited March 24, 2011 by niremetal

[TomSelleck]

Doc's a great coach but let's not forget he went one-and-done every time his team made the playoffs (including choking away a 3-1 lead against Detroit in 2003) until they assembled the Big Three in Boston in 2007. With a mediocre roster he's been no more of a miracle worker than Woodson. Unless he can turn Teague into the next Rondo this team isn't going anywhere with him.

[ATLSmith]

Doc's a great coach but let's not forget he went one-and-done every time his team made the playoffs (including choking away a 3-1 lead against Detroit in 2003) until they assembled the Big Three in Boston in 2007. With a mediocre roster he's been no more of a miracle worker than Woodson. Unless he can turn Teague into the next Rondo this team isn't going anywhere with him.

I don't know much about Doc's previous teams. How was their defense?

I'm only asking because the Celtics are built on some terrific defense but I can't tell if this has to do with their mix of players or the coaching. They do seem to go out and give it their all just about every night.

[BudBall]

I might be hater, but Doc was a product of having great players. HE DID NOTHING notable before the big 3 came along.

[AHF]

Doc didn't even have a losing record with this roster. How can anyone compare him to Woody?

Rk Player Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS

1 Darrell Armstrong 31 82 82 2590 484 1119 .433 137 403 .340 225 247 .911 65 205 270 501 169 9 248 137 1330

2 John Amaechi 29 80 53 1684 306 700 .437 1 6 .167 223 291 .766 62 204 266 95 35 37 139 161 836

3 Chucky Atkins 25 82 0 1626 314 741 .424 57 163 .350 97 133 .729 20 106 126 306 52 3 142 137 782

4 Pat Garrity 23 82 1 1479 258 585 .441 79 197 .401 80 111 .721 44 166 210 58 31 19 85 197 675

5 Monty Williams 28 75 23 1501 263 538 .489 2 5 .400 123 166 .741 96 154 250 106 46 17 109 187 651

6 Corey Maggette 20 77 5 1370 224 469 .478 2 11 .182 196 261 .751 123 180 303 61 24 26 138 169 646

7 Chris Gatling 32 45 0 1041 210 462 .455 7 23 .304 171 245 .698 91 206 297 40 48 10 105 142 598

8 Michael Doleac 22 81 29 1335 242 535 .452 1 2 .500 80 95 .842 89 245 334 63 29 34 65 224 565

9 Tariq Abdul-Wahad 25 46 46 1205 223 515 .433 2 21 .095 115 151 .762 77 162 239 72 53 16 87 116 563

10 Bo Outlaw 28 82 55 2326 204 339 .602 0 3 .000 82 162 .506 202 323 525 245 113 148 133 203 490

11 Ron Mercer 23 31 31 969 188 468 .402 0 9 .000 94 119 .790 35 63 98 54 42 8 64 76 470

12 Ben Wallace 25 81 81 1959 168 334 .503 0 0 54 114 .474 211 454 665 67 72 130 67 162 390

13 Anthony Johnson 25 18 4 214 26 61 .426 1 5 .200 9 15 .600 6 6 12 13 10 2 8 17 62

14 Anthony Parker 24 16 0 185 24 57 .421 1 14 .071 8 11 .727 5 22 27 10 8 4 11 13 57

15 Derek Strong 31 20 0 148 21 48 .438 1 4 .250 11 14 .786 11 33 44 4 5 2 12 15 54

16 Matt Harpring 23 4 0 63 4 17 .235 2 2 1.000 6 7 .857 5 7 12 8 5 1 1 7 16

17 Johnny Taylor 25 5 0 29 5 12 .417 1 1 1.000 0 0 2 3 5 1 1 1 2 4 11

18 Earl Boykins 23 1 0 8 3 4 .750 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 6

19 Kiwane Garris 25 3 0 23 2 10 .200 0 1 .000 0 0 0 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2000.html

That roster blows especially considering that Ben Wallace was still learning to play and Maggette was a rookie. Darrell Armstrong, John Amaechi, and Chucky Atkins were their lead scorers.

The job he did with that team impressed the heck out of me. Now, he isn't the best coach in the NBA or anything but he commands respect and has some pretty nice accomplishments to his name.

If Woody had that roster, he would be bragging about how he improved the team from 13 to 20 wins.

Edited March 24, 2011 by AHF

[bonethugz]

Doc's a great coach but let's not forget he went one-and-done every time his team made the playoffs (including choking away a 3-1 lead against Detroit in 2003) until they assembled the Big Three in Boston in 2007. With a mediocre roster he's been no more of a miracle worker than Woodson. Unless he can turn Teague into the next Rondo this team isn't going anywhere with him.

so you must rather want LD or woodson only?

Edited March 24, 2011 by bonethugz

[hawkfan15]

i believe it that he wants to spend more time w his family.. hes been coaching forEVER.. he needs some time off

besides.. why the hell would he want to coach this team? they dont listen to anyone.. so sorry to everyone who believes there is even the slightest chance of getting Doc.. because that s*** definately aint happenin

[Swatguy]

I believe Doc will be in Boston or Orlando. I believe it depends on how the playoffs end for both those teams. Dwight is the key. His free agency can position Boston to miss no beat. A flat finish for Orlando means curtains for Van Gundy. That then opens the door for Doc, without menuevering for Dwight.

Doc will only be in Atlanta unless he has a committment by Dwight to be in Atlanta.

Chances are, Doc to Orlando.

:kingchris:

[TomSelleck]

so you must rather want LD or woodson only?

I want new players.

[Diesel]

Saying your're reaching would be an understatement. Why would Doc want this mess of a team? That would be like going from a Marine corp General(tough as nails), to a girl scout leader(bunch of wussies). Think I'd take my chances with Rondo and Green. Go from there. Not to mention FA's WANT to play in Boston.

I say offer him 8 Million per to be GM/Coach... and stand back.

Let Doc get the players whom he wants.

About the Celtics.

Allen 35

KG 34

Pierce 33...

Those mean something. The core of the Celtics are old.

Johnson 29

Smith 25

Horf 24

Even if Doc decides to move some of the players, he can always get younger. Those Celts are not going to bring back much in trade. Not even KG. The Celtics are phasing out because their core is old and expensive. The hawks just resigned Horf (who is an allstar) and they have Joe Johnson. IF they were to trade Smoove, they could get something good. Or if he was to keep Smoove....he has years ahead of him.

[Swatguy]

I say offer him 8 Million per to be GM/Coach... and stand back.

Let Doc get the players whom he wants.

About the Celtics.

Allen 35

KG 34

Pierce 33...

Those mean something. The core of the Celtics are old.

Johnson 29

Smith 25

Horf 24

Even if Doc decides to move some of the players, he can always get younger. Those Celts are not going to bring back much in trade. Not even KG. The Celtics are phasing out because their core is old and expensive. The hawks just resigned Horf (who is an allstar) and they have Joe Johnson. IF they were to trade Smoove, they could get something good. Or if he was to keep Smoove....he has years ahead of him.

t

after 2012 KG and Ray are retired which leads to Dwight filling the void. Rondo alone trumps Joe and Al. Dwight, Green, Rondo and an Austin with a second FA are the new C's.

[MaceCase]

Doc didn't even have a losing record with this roster. How can anyone compare him to Woody?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2000.html

That roster blows especially considering that Ben Wallace was still learning to play and Maggette was a rookie. Darrell Armstrong, John Amaechi, and Chucky Atkins were their lead scorers.

The job he did with that team impressed the heck out of me. Now, he isn't the best coach in the NBA or anything but he commands respect and has some pretty nice accomplishments to his name.

If Woody had that roster, he would be bragging about how he improved the team from 13 to 20 wins.

The job he did afterwards with Orlando should not be overlooked either considering that the franchise was hampered with a 20 million Grant Hill sitting at home in a full leg cast throughout Doc's entire run there. The best player they could put with TMac was Mike Miller and Tracy has proven that he's not much of a winner regardless of his supporting cast.

[Diesel]

t

after 2012 KG and Ray are retired which leads to Dwight filling the void. Rondo alone trumps Joe and Al. Dwight, Green, Rondo and an Austin with a second FA are the new C's.

Dwight is everyteam's fantasy. Even ours. If we got Doc... How easy would it be for him to send Horf and filler toOrlando for Dwight when Dwight refuses to reup with Orlando?