LOCKOUT DRAFT

[Guest Squawker]

He was already taken in the 3rd round so you are still on the clock.After you make your pick, also make sure you PM the next guy in line.

Sorry about that.John Salmons. Gives me a dynamic threat on the wing and at the 2. A back court with Teague and Salmons and Turk at the wing will produce great bench points. Can drive and shoot the jumper and has lengnth on D.ThatsmyDawg- your up

[AHF]

Round 11. jy21 - Lebron James2. diesel - Dwight Howard3. sultanofatl - Kevin Durant4. capstone21 - Deron Williams5. whassuphawks - Kobe Bryant6. ahf - Chris Paul7. supporter - Derick Rose8. nicholasp27 - Blake Griffin9. seano - Dwayne Wade10. 01d0rd3r - Rajon Rondo11. thatsmydawg - John Wall12. ngc7 - Al Horford13. coachx - Russell Westbrook14. alejandro09 - Dirk Nowitzki15. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Carmelo Anthony16. Colin - A'mare Stoudemire17. IHeartAtlanta- Monta EllisRound 218. IHeartAtlanta - Joe Johnson19. Colin - Stephen Curry20. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Brook Lopez21. alejandro09 - Jrue Holiday22. coachx - Kevin Love23. ngc7-Joakin Noah24. thatsmydawg-Al Jefferson25. 01d0rd3r-Marc Gasol26. seano-Lamarcus Aldridge27. nicholasp27-Tyreke Evans28. supporter – DeMarcus Cousins29. ahf – Chris Bosh30. whassuphawks – Andrew Bogut31. capstone21 - Pau Gasol32. sultanofatl - Andrew Bynum33. diesel - Zach Randolph34 jy21 - Rudy GayRound 335. jy21 - Serge Ibaka36. diesel - Eric Gordon37. sultanofatl - Andre Iguodala38. capstone21 - Danny Granger39. whassuphawks - Ty Lawson40. ahf - Greg Monroe41. supporter - James Harden42. nicholasp27 - OJ Mayo43. seano - Nene Hilario44. 01d0rd3r - Loul Deng45. thatsmydawg - Michael Beasley46. ngc7 - Paul Pierce47. coachx - Tyson Chandler48. alejandro09 - Kendrick Perkins49. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Tony Parker50. Colin - Kevin Martin51. IHeartAtlanta - Josh SmithRound 452. IHeartAtlanta - Javale McGee53. Colin - DeAndre Jordan54. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Emeka Okafor55. alejandro09 - Gerald Wallace56. coachx - Wesley Matthews57. ngc7 - Brandon Jennings58. thatsmydawg - Roy Hibbert59. 01d0rd3r - Kris Humphries60. seano - Mike Conley61. nicholasp27 - Danilo Gallinari62. supporter - JJ Hickson63. ahf - Manu Ginobili64. whassuphawks - Dorell Wright65. capstone21 - Marcin Gortat66. sultanofatl - Steve Nash67. diesel - Kyle Lowry68 jy21 - Samuel DalembertRound 569. jy21 - Lus Scola70. Diesel - Wilson Chandler71 sultanofatl- DeJuan Blair72 capstone21- Stephen Jackson73 whassuphawks- Ed Davis74 ahf- Derrick Favors75 supporter- Thaddeus Young76 nicholasp27- Andrea Bargnani77 seano- Paul Milsap78. 01d0rd3r – Marcus Thornton79. thatsmydawg – Jeff Green80. ngc7 – Ray Allen81. coachx – Tayshaun Prince82. alejandro09 – Landry Fields83. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA – Demar Derozan84. Colin/Devon – Nicolas Batum85. IHeartAtlanta – Paul GeorgeRound 686. IHeartAtlanta -Jamal Crawford87, Colin/devon - David Lee88. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Tim Duncan89. alejandro09 - Brandon Roy90. coachx - Lamar Odom91. ngc7/Squawker - Hedu Turkoglu92. thatsmydawg - "he who's name shall not be mentioned"93. 01d0rd3r - Jerry Sloan (coach)94. seano - David West95. nicholasp27 - Kevin Garnett96. supporter - Phil Jackson97. ahf - Carlos Boozer98. whassuphawks - Evan Turner99. capstone21 - Anderson Varejao100. sultanofatl - Raymond Felton101. diesel - Ramon Sessions102. jy21 - Chauncey BillupsRound 7103. jy21 - Jason Terry104. diesel - Ryan Anderson105. sultanofatl - Greg Oden106. capstone21 - Jason Richardson107. whassuphawks - Nick Young108. ahf - Jameer Nelson109. supporter - Rodney Stuckey110. nicholasp27 - Taj Gibson111. seano - JJ Barea112. 01d0rd3r - Aaron Affalo113. thatsmydawg - Andray Blatche114. ngc7/Squawker - Jeff Teague115. coachx - Ben Gordon116. alejandro09 - Jason Thompson117. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Devin Harris118. Colin/Devon - Chris Kaman119. IHeartAtlanta - Ron ArtestRound 8120. IHeartAtlanta - JR Smith121. Colin/Devon - Darren Collison122. TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA - Trevor Ariza123. alejandro09 - Kyle Korver124. coachx - Spencer Hawes125. ngc7/Squawker - John Salmons126. thatmydawg - DJ Augustin127. 01d0rd3r - 128. seano - 129. nicholasp27 - 130. supporter - 131. ahf - 132. whassuphawks - 133. capstone21 - 134. sultanofatl - 135. diesel - 136. jy21 -

Edited June 18, 2011 by AHF

[thatsmydawg]

Sorry about that.

John Salmons. Gives me a dynamic threat on the wing and at the 2. A back court with Teague and Salmons and Turk at the wing will produce great bench points. Can drive and shoot the jumper and has lengnth on D.

ThatsmyDawg- your up

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RICKY RUBIO

Could be THE STEAL of the draft. Or this guy could suck...

[capstone21]

I don't mean to be a stickler but the player has to have played at least one NBA game

[thatsmydawg]

I don't mean to be a stickler but the player has to have played at least one NBA game

OkDJ AUGUSTINDJ offers some support to Wall who at 6'4" could play some 2 if DJ has the 3 ball going. Wall, Augustin"he who's name shall not be mentioned"Jeff GreenBeasley,BlatcheAl Jefferson, Hibbert

[jy23]

So have we figured out how we're going to determine the best team?

[AHF]

So have we figured out how we're going to determine the best team?

Certainly not the only way to play around with this, but I am thinking we start a thread where people post their rosters and then people can vote and comment.

[HawkItus]

Deleted name Edited June 18, 2011 by AHF

[AHF]

01d0rd3r is on the clock. Capstone didn't actually pick.

[01d0rd3r]

Aaron Brooks

In just 19 minutes per game in Pheonix this year he averaged 9.6 points and 4.2 assists. Good Backup to Rodno.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

Time to really do some homework for some of you.Still some good, starter quality young guys left on the board, along with some starter quality vets who aren't over the hill yet. I was surprised that guys like JR Smith and Darren Collison lasted as long as they did. And it's a young guy still left on the board that would've been a no-brainer 6th or 7th round pick a year or two ago. I wonder who will take him?Oh . . . and Marvin is still sitting by his phone, waiting on one of you GMs to take him. I'll say he HAS to go by Round 10, but we'll see. Maybe Diesel will take him with one of his next 2 picks.

Edited June 18, 2011 by northcyde

[jy23]

I'll bet my house that Marv doesn't even get taken in the supplemental draft lol

[capstone21]

Marvin plays defense, he is a good rebounder for a sf, has a decent outside shot and is a decent player. I could see him going in the 12th or 13th round.

[Supporter]

Rodney Stuckey

6'5 PG/SG, can be the combo guard that comes of the bench and keep the game rolling. Dude's only 25 years old, so he fits my model. He is coming off his most efficient season in his young career, and is most definitely a starting guard in this league. However on my team he will give us that strong bench play/scoring that every team needs to compete.

Team so far:

Derrick Rose/Rodney Stuckey

James Harden

Thad Young

Kevin Garnett/JJ Hickson

Demarcus Cousins

DAMN!!! I like it!

nicolasp is on the clock

Last time I drafted was around a week ago, let's keep the show rolling people

[Seano]

Last time I drafted was around a week ago, let's keep the show rolling people

Hmm, I'm very confused. Am I on the clock? Nobody notified me of crap, and I see that sultan and capstone may have been picking up above on this last page of the thread, and wouldn't that be totally out of order? HELP!!!!

[Colin]

Hmm, I'm very confused. Am I on the clock? Nobody notified me of crap, and I see that sultan and capstone may have been picking up above on this last page of the thread, and wouldn't that be totally out of order? HELP!!!!

01d0rd3r just picked, it is now your turn. I'll even PM you so you know.

[Seano]

01d0rd3r just picked, it is now your turn. I'll even PM you so you know.

Thanks, bud. Appreciate it. I just got home, so give me like 5 minutes to make some coffee and then make my pick.

[Seano]

Ok. I am shocked and highly pleased to find him still on the board (more about that later), so I'm gonna go with Tony Allen all the way, baby.

He is simply an ELITE NBA defensive player, and *the* elite perimeter defender amongst all NBA players. I mean he's the best there is. Finished 4th in balloting for NBA Defensive Player of the Year this season behind Dwight, Garnett, and Tyson Chandler after finally getting out of being buried on Boston's bench and getting a full-time role in Memphis. He's not much of a shooter nor is he much of a scorer, which I know for a fact has to do with how he's so often overlooked and undervalued (even within the context of this draft) because people naturally tend to focus on offensive stats first and foremost, but his defense and energy are SO good that the lack of scoring doesn't even matter, because his defensive contributions greatly outweigh his lack of offense.

He was the Allen the Celtics turned to in the 2010 Finals to put on Kobe when Ray Allen was being eaten alive by him, and from that point forward he became known as 'The Kobe Stopper'.

The New York Times had a great article on him a couple of months ago, which I will post here if anyone cares to read it because it really is a good read.

Allen and the Plight of the Undervalued Defender

March 8, 2011, 2:48 pm

Allen and the Plight of the Undervalued Defender

By ROB MAHONEY

As much as N.B.A. fans and analysts have made an effort to appreciate individual and team defense, nothing on that side of the ball quite measures up to the sex appeal of scoring. The game itself is structured around made field goals, and basketball observers largely fall into the trap of glamorizing that straightforward act of goal attainment while diminishing the appeal of lock-down defense.

The way to win games is to score more points than its opponent, not to hold an opponent below one’s own scoring threshold. It’s all about the game-winning shot, the go-ahead bucket, the overt display of control over one’s destiny by generating points.

That’s what basketball is all about, or at least what we’re told by broadcasters, writers, radio personalities and fans. Most will throw in the obligatory “defense wins championships,” yet when it comes to the individual valuation of players and teams, top-flight defense isn’t given its due.

There’s a bizarro N.B.A. world out there where defensive influence is valued on the same level as offensive production. In that world, Dwight Howard has multiple most valuable player awards sitting on his mantel, Tim Duncan is held in even higher esteem, and Andre Iguodala is considered a franchise centerpiece rather than fodder for trade rumors. Plus, Tony Allen -– who did an incredible job of defending All-World scorer Kevin Durant on Monday night -– is a household name.

Allen is a perfect example of defensive inequality. When Allen inked a three-year, $9.5 million deal with the Memphis Grizzlies last summer, his decision was met with two distinct responses. Some wondered why Allen would leave the contending Celtics for a rotation spot with the middling Grizzlies. A fair question, to be sure. Others pondered whether Allen -– who lacks any semblance of a jumper, and isn’t even a reliable scorer when slashing to the hoop -– was worth that kind of financial commitment at all. That perspective is the more curious one, as just months earlier, Allen was commended for his defensive performance on stars like Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

A salary of around $3 million a year is modest in today’s N.B.A., and yet a defense-first player like Allen was deemed unworthy of even that sum. On some level, even the Celtics must have agreed, as a comparable salary would likely have enticed Allen to stay in Boston.

Relative to the salaries of other N.B.A. players, Allen’s deal is insanely affordable. Watch his defensive work against Durant and try to convince yourself that Allen isn’t worth every penny of his $9.5 million contract:

That combination of speed, strength and drive is uncanny. Allen’s unrelenting pursuit of Durant through every step and around every screen is uncommon enough, but he combines that with excellent defensive technique using the physical gifts that make it all possible. This is one of the top perimeter defenders in the game, and yet he grabs attention only rarely -– like on Monday night -– when he also contributes in the scoring column.

Allen’s offensive equivalent could be an All-Star selection or a sixth man of the year candidate, but defensive specialists so rarely have a legitimate chance at such accolades. Maybe the difficulties in quantifying defense (steals and blocks alone are hardly an accurate measure) are to blame, but it’s a shame that players like Allen do no receive the notoriety they deserve. As a perimeter defender, Allen is a legitimate game-changing force. He has considerable holes in his game, but the things Allen does well he does very well, and the things he does very well go largely overlooked.

And Nicholas is on the clock and has been notified.

[capstone21]

Hmm, I'm very confused. Am I on the clock? Nobody notified me of crap, and I see that sultan and capstone may have been picking up above on this last page of the thread, and wouldn't that be totally out of order? HELP!!!!

uh no...I did not pick Marvin. I would never take him this early. I was just answering a previous post

[jy23]

Ok. I am shocked and highly pleased to find him still on the board (more about that later), so I'm gonna go with Tony Allen all the way, baby.

He is simply an ELITE NBA defensive player, and *the* elite perimeter defender amongst all NBA players. I mean he's the best there is. Finished 4th in balloting for NBA Defensive Player of the Year this season behind Dwight, Garnett, and Tyson Chandler after finally getting out of being buried on Boston's bench and getting a full-time role in Memphis. He's not much of a shooter nor is he much of a scorer, which I know for a fact has to do with how he's so often overlooked and undervalued (even within the context of this draft) because people naturally tend to focus on offensive stats first and foremost, but his defense and energy are SO good that the lack of scoring doesn't even matter, because his defensive contributions greatly outweigh his lack of offense.

He was the Allen the Celtics turned to in the 2010 Finals to put on Kobe when Ray Allen was being eaten alive by him, and from that point forward he became known as 'The Kobe Stopper'.

The New York Times had a great article on him a couple of months ago, which I will post here if anyone cares to read it because it really is a good read.

Allen and the Plight of the Undervalued Defender

March 8, 2011, 2:48 pm

Allen and the Plight of the Undervalued Defender

By ROB MAHONEY

As much as N.B.A. fans and analysts have made an effort to appreciate individual and team defense, nothing on that side of the ball quite measures up to the sex appeal of scoring. The game itself is structured around made field goals, and basketball observers largely fall into the trap of glamorizing that straightforward act of goal attainment while diminishing the appeal of lock-down defense.

The way to win games is to score more points than its opponent, not to hold an opponent below one’s own scoring threshold. It’s all about the game-winning shot, the go-ahead bucket, the overt display of control over one’s destiny by generating points.

That’s what basketball is all about, or at least what we’re told by broadcasters, writers, radio personalities and fans. Most will throw in the obligatory “defense wins championships,” yet when it comes to the individual valuation of players and teams, top-flight defense isn’t given its due.

There’s a bizarro N.B.A. world out there where defensive influence is valued on the same level as offensive production. In that world, Dwight Howard has multiple most valuable player awards sitting on his mantel, Tim Duncan is held in even higher esteem, and Andre Iguodala is considered a franchise centerpiece rather than fodder for trade rumors. Plus, Tony Allen -– who did an incredible job of defending All-World scorer Kevin Durant on Monday night -– is a household name.

Allen is a perfect example of defensive inequality. When Allen inked a three-year, $9.5 million deal with the Memphis Grizzlies last summer, his decision was met with two distinct responses. Some wondered why Allen would leave the contending Celtics for a rotation spot with the middling Grizzlies. A fair question, to be sure. Others pondered whether Allen -– who lacks any semblance of a jumper, and isn’t even a reliable scorer when slashing to the hoop -– was worth that kind of financial commitment at all. That perspective is the more curious one, as just months earlier, Allen was commended for his defensive performance on stars like Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade.

A salary of around $3 million a year is modest in today’s N.B.A., and yet a defense-first player like Allen was deemed unworthy of even that sum. On some level, even the Celtics must have agreed, as a comparable salary would likely have enticed Allen to stay in Boston.

Relative to the salaries of other N.B.A. players, Allen’s deal is insanely affordable. Watch his defensive work against Durant and try to convince yourself that Allen isn’t worth every penny of his $9.5 million contract:

That combination of speed, strength and drive is uncanny. Allen’s unrelenting pursuit of Durant through every step and around every screen is uncommon enough, but he combines that with excellent defensive technique using the physical gifts that make it all possible. This is one of the top perimeter defenders in the game, and yet he grabs attention only rarely -– like on Monday night -– when he also contributes in the scoring column.

Allen’s offensive equivalent could be an All-Star selection or a sixth man of the year candidate, but defensive specialists so rarely have a legitimate chance at such accolades. Maybe the difficulties in quantifying defense (steals and blocks alone are hardly an accurate measure) are to blame, but it’s a shame that players like Allen do no receive the notoriety they deserve. As a perimeter defender, Allen is a legitimate game-changing force. He has considerable holes in his game, but the things Allen does well he does very well, and the things he does very well go largely overlooked.

And Nicholas is on the clock and has been notified.

he was going to be my next pick...I was banking on people overlooking him but I guess I was just a tad to late. But great pick, his defense is definitely remarkable