Floor Leader, Defender, Rebounder, Shooters = Champion

[wolvetigers]

The playoffs are showing us Hawks fans time and time again on the glaring deficiencies with out team. It it all falls into these 4 categories.

Floor Leaders: The Hawks simply do not have a floor leader on our team.

Solution:

Chris Paul = Pipe Dream- simply will not happen

Draft Trey Burke- Player of the Year and Floor Leader and allow him compete with Teague for starting PG..

Defenders: Well we need a player that can defend the SG/SF position and a low post defender.

Solution:

Dwight Howard= Although, he is not a leader - he does provide low post defense and rebounding that could remedy our low post defense ailments.

Draft- Everyone on here knows Ive been a huge fan of Victor Oladipo, and the likelihood of us getting both Burke and Olapido is almost zero - but that is why Ferry gets paid the big bucks to decide which is more important - Floor leader is more important as the Hawks have not had one since Mookie Blaylock.

Rebounder:

Solution: Definitely Keep AL

Shooters: We have some shooters in Korver, Jenkins but need to get more athletic at that position.

Solution: Draft Tim Hardaway (Projected Late Late First early 2nd Round, (Seth Curry is late 2nd round)

Now I do realize that we don't own any lottery picks to actually draft players like Burke or Oladipo so Ferry will certainly needs to be creative and mix experience with youth to give us a chance of building a contender. Hopefully, we can S&T Smith for a lottery pick

Edited May 2, 2013 by wolvetigers

[Dragitoff]

I'm not sure, but I don't think S&T Smith for any pick is possible since the draft is before FA'cy begins. Someone more knowledgeable can certainly correct me if I'm wrong.

[AHF]

Hopefully, we can S&T Smith for a lottery pick

What lottery teams that lack the cap room to sign Josh do you think would be interested in him?

[Wretch]

The first step in building a contender is panning for gold - with "gold" being that player you build around. Ideally, a dominant big or PG, but really...you just need a guy that can score at will. Reason being...you're going to run into teams with at least one guy (God forbid TWO) that can score at will. The real pipe dream is thinking that we can do without that kind of player and keep up with teams that do have him by out-defending, out-rebounding, out-coaching them. It just doesn't happen.

Yet we see the kinds of teams that get it done and we still ignore the formula. We roll out these good but not good enough teams, get beat every year, and still go back to the same empty water hole. With Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, & Al Horford - we were smashed by Orlando, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland at our best. In the 1st round as higher seeds, we were taken to the limit... Then we subtract the closest thing we had to a dominant player, and we expect something different?

This is the plan:

Step 1: Get the guy - it doesn't really matter his position.

Step 2: Get him a sidekick - ditto for his position.

Step 3: Get role players, rebounders, defenders, shooters, a floor general (if "guy" or "sidekick guy" is not), a GREAT coach, solid bench players, assistant coaches, special coaches, water boys, and all manner of "hubcappery" in any order.

Step 4: Profit.

If at any point in the plan you don't have "the guy", rinse and repeat step one until you do. Take care not to start this plan at step 3 and work in reverse.

[NiquesBiggestFan]

We have shooters. Korver, Stevenson, Harris, L Williams, Jenkins, Teague, even mid range Al. But completely agree with the rest.

[wolvetigers]

What lottery teams that lack the cap room to sign Josh do you think would be interested in him?

That part is easy...For example, the Charlotte Bobcats will most likely have two lottery picks in this years draft - depending on the lottery - http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/02/23/3873906/as-bobcats-face-next-year-thin.html

The challenge is getting Smith to agree to go the team we want the pick from...not sure if Smith would even consider going to charlotte but money talks

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[PSSSHHHRRR87]

I'm going to say that you are biased for Burke/Hardaway and that I don't believe either will be available when we select. Sure we could trade up for Burke, but I want no part of Hardaway. Another example of a kid getting press because of who his daddy is. He looked terrible in the tourney. Being Doc Rivers' son hasn't done Austin Rivers anything outside of getting him a job. I'd rather keep our picks, select Dieng or Adams and then Franklin or Saric. I also believe that a lot of issues can be cleared up by getting a better coach. These guys need a boss, not a friend.

[Dragitoff]

One mock I looked at had us taking Olynyk at 17. Any chance he's still available? To be honest, I didn't watch much college bball at all this season, but he looked like a polished scorer in the post what I saw of him. Seems hard to believe he'd still be available even after Gonzaga's tourney collapse.

[coachx]

One mock I looked at had us taking Olynyk at 17. Any chance he's still available? To be honest, I didn't watch much college bball at all this season, but he looked like a polished scorer in the post what I saw of him. Seems hard to believe he'd still be available even after Gonzaga's tourney collapse.

Wichita St. took down Adams team (Pitt) in Round 1 and Olynyk's team (Gonzaga) in round 2......Had Pitt won that 1st round matchup vs. Whichita St. we would have had a good scouting matchup of 1st round center prospects.

Adams biggest test was against Dieng.......and Dieng got the better of him.

Olynyk's has extremely good ball handling skills for a 7 footer. He brought the ball up the court with ease plenty of times vs. Whichita St's full court press in the NCAA Tourney. He has a wide body and has to be willing to bang and use that wide body at the next level.

Unfortunately he was rarely tested vs. NBA caliber bigs with the schedule Gonzaga played. He has the body type and skill of a thicker Chris Kaman from an offensive stand point. He will not be the rim protector that Kaman used to be though. Olynyk could "look like Tarzan but play like Jane" when he goes against NBA bigs. 1 on 1 workouts will tell a lot about him. I personally like him more then Zeller........but also like Dieng, Whitney, and Adams even though they are more defensive specialist while Olynyk is more of an offensive guy.

Edited May 2, 2013 by coachx

[wolvetigers]

I'm going to say that you are biased for Burke/Hardaway and that I don't believe either will be available when we select. Sure we could trade up for Burke, but I want no part of Hardaway. Another example of a kid getting press because of who his daddy is. He looked terrible in the tourney. Being Doc Rivers' son hasn't done Austin Rivers anything outside of getting him a job. I'd rather keep our picks, select Dieng or Adams and then Franklin or Saric. I also believe that a lot of issues can be cleared up by getting a better coach. These guys need a boss, not a friend.

I'm a Michigan Wolverine yes, but its clear that we need a floor leader....and I agree PG is the hardest position to transition to in the NBA, so that is why I really want Victor Oladipo (SG) b/c of his high Energy, Defense; Ben McLemore has all the ability in the world but he sort of reminds me of Marvin Williams; Trey Burke is the Player of the Year, a leader and PG which we kind of need. I figure we want to get rid of Smith anyway - Why not S&T him to a team and get a lottery pick in return...

[gurpilo]

There is no way we can get Oladipo and Burke on this draft, this is simply a plan that cannot happen

[AHF]

He said what teams lacks the cap room. The lolcats will most likely have the cap room this summer. No reason for the lolcats to do a sign and trade if they can, you know, just sign him.

Exactly. Why would the Bobcats give up a lottery pick to sign someone they can get for free?

Remember, that sign and trades no longer give any advantage to the player being signed so there is no incentive to do a S&T unless the team receiving the player just doesn't have the cap room to sign him. (In the past CBA the team with bird rights could sign and trade a player with a richer contract than another team but now a team doing a sign and trade can't sign that player for any more than the team receiving him can sign him for if they have the cap room).

[Alex]

The playoffs are showing us Hawks fans time and time again on the glaring deficiencies with out team. It it all falls into these 4 categories.

Floor Leaders: The Hawks simply do not have a floor leader on our team.

Solution:

Chris Paul = Pipe Dream- simply will not happen

Draft Trey Burke- Player of the Year and Floor Leader and allow him compete with Teague for starting PG..

Defenders: Well we need a player that can defend the SG/SF position and a low post defender.

Solution:

Dwight Howard= Although, he is not a leader - he does provide low post defense and rebounding that could remedy our low post defense ailments.

Draft- Everyone on here knows Ive been a huge fan of Victor Oladipo, and the likelihood of us getting both Burke and Olapido is almost zero - but that is why Ferry gets paid the big bucks to decide which is more important - Floor leader is more important as the Hawks have not had one since Mookie Blaylock.

Rebounder:

Solution: Definitely Keep AL

Shooters: We have some shooters in Korver, Jenkins but need to get more athletic at that position.

Solution: Draft Tim Hardaway (Projected Late Late First early 2nd Round, (Seth Curry is late 2nd round)

Now I do realize that we don't own any lottery picks to actually draft players like Burke or Oladipo so Ferry will certainly needs to be creative and mix experience with youth to give us a chance of building a contender. Hopefully, we can S&T Smith for a lottery pick

Stopped reading after you said getting Trey Burke as a floor leader...

[AHF]

Which top PGs have won championships over the last 20 years? I can't think of anyone who was the best PG in the game and won a championship. I certainly wouldn't turn Paul down, but I am not in the category of people who think PG is one of the most critical positions on a roster to fill.

I'd much rather build around a Durant, Lebron, Howard, etc. than a Paul, Deron, Westbrook, Rondo, etc.

[wolvetigers]

Stopped reading after you said getting Trey Burke as a floor leader...

I guess you didnt watch College Basketball all year then..

[wolvetigers]

Which top PGs have won championships over the last 20 years? I can't think of anyone who was the best PG in the game and won a championship. I certainly wouldn't turn Paul down, but I am not in the category of people who think PG is one of the most critical positions on a roster to fill.

I'd much rather build around a Durant, Lebron, Howard, etc. than a Paul, Deron, Westbrook, Rondo, etc.

Well sure if we can grab one of those superstars then yea....b/c all of them except Howard is a Floor Leader....although Durant is having major trouble without Westbrook now

[yungsta]

you can win with a top point guard.I just dont believe you can win with as your pg as your leading scorer and taking a high volume of shots.

I would add to your championship forumula

a go to scorer - Someone who can create their own shot anytime they want when your offensive sets breakdown and get a bucket when you desperately need to score.

Great coaching/leadership - Someone has a great "system" can get players to listen to them, get the players to play as a team

and buy into their system. Doesnt play favorites and willing to bench anyone for the good of the team.