The Tank Thread

[Watchman]

Just now, Peoriabird said:

That some unsophisticated logic...Sorry!  Now I know what I'm dealing with.

It is just as logical as the statement I responded to.

[MaceCase]

12 minutes ago, Watchman said:

Uh, don't you think those higher level players have more leverage than a slug like Noel?

Nope.  Because those “higher level players” would have significant offers from both their current and other teams making it that much harder for those players to walk away from all of that guaranteed money.  A “slug” like Noel could either come or go without the Mavs caring yet they still flexed their power over him.

[Watchman]

1 minute ago, davis171 said:

Slink inherited no assets worth anything and cap hell where your highest paid player is at best a 7th man on a championship team.

And traded in a serviceable center in on a completely unproductive one, and a decent shooting guard, whom he waived after unsuccessfully trying to trade him.

[Watchman]

Just now, MaceCase said:

Nope.  Because those “higher level players” would have significant offers from both their current and other teams making it that much harder for those players to walk away from all of that guaranteed money.  A “slug” like Noel could either come or go without the Mavs caring yet they still flexed their power over him.

Problem is that the Hawks don't match.  

[davis171]

2 minutes ago, Watchman said:

And traded in a serviceable center in on a completely unproductive one, and a decent shooting guard, whom he waived after unsuccessfully trying to trade him.

A serviceable center that Bud bid against himself for and is heavily overpaid and Marco who had the worst defensive rating on the team and statistically we are better without him it was for cap relief. You have no regard for cap space.

Edited February 26, 2018 by davis171

[KB21]

8 minutes ago, AHF said:

So still not answering the question about a team that resembled the Hawks and went on to win a ring?  Going to pretend this mediocre team with no superstar to champion model has some precedent?

Shaking my head at the logical disconnect here.

 

I see the zero championships Rockets are being called up.  Good for you for identifying a team that has never made the finals as validation of the notion that you don't have to suck to win a ring.  Would be even better if they had ever emerged from the West.  

Would be even better if the Rockets didn't acquire their MVP-level talent by dealing multiple lottery picks that they acquired by missing the playoffs.

The Rockets could be the first team ever to break this mold, though, since I agree they never won fewer than 30-some games during their build.

Well, you are going to pretend that a team who intentionally tanked their roster to the bottom wins championships, so....

[Watchman]

Just now, davis171 said:

A serviceable center that Bud bid against himself for and Marco who had the worst defensive rating on the team and statistically we are better without him it was for cap relief. You have no regard for cap space.

Evidently, neither does Slinky.  As someone pointed out earlier, our spending has gone up.  Why?  

[davis171]

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

Evidently, neither does Slinky.  As someone pointed out earlier, our spending has gone up.  Why?  

Because we took on 1 year deals in trades so we will have flexibility sooner I promise our front office knows more than you so relax.

Edited February 26, 2018 by davis171

[Watchman]

Just now, davis171 said:

Because we took on 1 year deals in trades so we will have flexibility sooner

Why?  No one signs with us as you guys are so quick to point out.

[MaceCase]

Just now, Watchman said:

Problem is that the Hawks don't match.  

You’re moving the goalposts again.  You first claimed that young guys would force their way out of Atlanta and now your claim is Atlanta won’t match offers.  Odd considering the Hawks have matched or exceeded offers with Smith, Johnson, Teague, Bazemore, Horford, and even Sap in the recent past.  I suppose all of that is negated because they passed up on doing the same once last summer.

[Watchman]

Just now, Watchman said:

Why?  No one signs with us as you guys are so quick to point out.

BTW, Plumlee is not a one year contract.

[KB21]

Just now, Watchman said:

Evidently, neither does Slinky.  As someone pointed out earlier, our spending has gone up.  Why?  

That increase in spending is marginal and only temporary, and it's only up this year because they are carrying a little more than $26 million in dead money.  Next year, Atlanta has only $68 million tied up in the active roster, and they will not spend to the salary cap next year.

[Watchman]

Just now, MaceCase said:

You’re moving the goalposts again.  You first claimed that young guys would force their way out of Atlanta and now your claim is Atlanta won’t match offers.  Odd considering the Hawks have matched or exceeded offers with Smith, Johnson, Teague, Bazemore, Horford, and even Sap in the recent past.  I suppose all of that is negated because they passed up on doing the same once last summer.

None of those salaries put us into the luxury tax, which Ressler avoids at all cost.  To keep a "superstar" you're going to have to come up with more than $15 million a year.

[davis171]

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

Why?  No one signs with us as you guys are so quick to point out.

So cap flexibility is bad and resigning players like millsap at 30+ to 90 million $ deals is okay. Please explain what you would do you got nothing dude!

[Watchman]

Just now, davis171 said:

So cap flexibility is bad and resigning players like millsap at 30+ to 90 million $ deals is okay. Please explain what you would do you got nothing dude!

What good is cap flexibility when you cannot attract significant free agents?

[Royjr9]

The chances of you getting a harden type player are rare. Wound up being lamb, adams and I forgot the other one but still. And to pull that off you need assets that people want. But this decision by Oklahoma led to the break up of there group. Also Atlanta tried that middle build approach got creamed every year. Time to try something new.

Edited February 26, 2018 by Royjr9

[davis171]

1 minute ago, Watchman said:

What good is cap flexibility when you cannot attract significant free agents?

WHAT DO YOU WANT THE HAWKS TO DO. If you could go back to this offseason what moves would you have made to make us good again without breaking the cap?

Edited February 26, 2018 by davis171

[AHF]

9 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Well, you are going to pretend that a team who intentionally tanked their roster to the bottom wins championships, so....

Because teams have repeatedly risen from the bottom to win championships.  So....

 

While I can point out a ton of teams that were at the bottom of the standings, you can't point out one that has a ring doing things the way you say the Hawks should do them.

[KB21]

1 minute ago, Royjr9 said:

The chances of you getting a harden type player are rare. Wound up being lamb, adams are rare. And to pull that off you need assets that people want. But this decision by Oklahoma led to the break up of there group.

But the chances of drafting a superstar with a high pick isn't rare?

[Watchman]

Just now, davis171 said:

WHAT DO YOU WANT THE HAWKS TO DO

Something they cannot or will not do.  Win.