Trae Ceiling....

[Diesel]

You gotta love the title.

 

However, i was thinking about the absolute best comparison that Trae could be... and this name came to mind.

Pistol Pete. 

Small.  Wizard with the ball.   No defense.

 

[NBASupes]

Floor - Trey Burke

Ceiling - A mix of Steph Curry with Steve Nash. 

[Diesel]

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Floor - Trey Burke

Ceiling - A mix of Steph Curry with Steve Nash. 

Actually  here is a listing of some names.... that he falls around in order

 

Steve Nash  - Ceiling

Mark Price 

Jason Williams - Strong possibility

Pistol Pete

Tyron Lue

Pooh Richardson = Floor.

 

[NBASupes]

How is Jason Williams a possibility? He's already better in several key areas than Williams. The issue with Young is, will be he a star or an elite 6th man? Williams was never going to be more than a lower end starting PG. He wasn't a great shooter, wasn't a great scorer, didn't have good PG skills, all he was, was a flashy Pistol Pete like player without the scoring chops. 

Young has that Westbrook/Rose arc. They are all too usage heavy to be anything else. 

[DS17Fanboy]

vor 7 Stunden, Diesel sagte:

You gotta love the title.

 

However, i was thinking about the absolute best comparison that Trae could be... and this name came to mind.

Pistol Pete. 

Small.  Wizard with the ball.   No defense.

 

dennis 2.0

[DS17Fanboy]

this franchise is such a joke, but not as funny as the hawks fans. trae young aint shit and hes balding already.

[Peoriabird]

Only this fan base would compare Trae Young's game to the like of

Dennis Schoeder

Jason Williams

Mark Price

Ty Lue

Pistol Pete

Pooh Richardson

Y'all truly have never seen this man play if these are your comparisons

[DS17Fanboy]

him being here over doncic is a gm getting high on his own supply, thinking he be the next golden state all by him self by making a next steph curry all by him self. young has no where near the curry natural savy and nowhere near the speed to go with the hops and dips on his release.  him and dennis gonna be a block party.

[Peoriabird]

3 minutes ago, DS17Fanboy said:

him being here over doncic is a gm getting high on his own supply, thinking he be the next golden state all by him self by making a next steph curry all by him self. young has no where near the curry natural savy and nowhere near the speed to go with the hops and dips on his release.  him and dennis gonna be a block party.

But he does have the shooting skill and sees the floor better than Steph at this stage.  Don't know what Steph's savy and speed was at 19 but no one seems to be able to stay in front of Trae now.  We shall see soon starting Monday

[DS17Fanboy]

vor einer Stunde, Peoriabird sagte:

But he does have the shooting skill and sees the floor better than Steph at this stage.  Don't know what Steph's savy and speed was at 19 but no one seems to be able to stay in front of Trae now.  We shall see soon starting Monday

he had a nice run...in college. then he no langer had a run...in college and dropped off hard. and he just doesnt have quickness and runs like shaq on pcp. hes a great leaper and i like his arms though, which makes up for it a bit, but he wont make crack defenders hesitate. ever...

[NBASupes]

15 minutes ago, DS17Fanboy said:

him being here over doncic is a gm getting high on his own supply, thinking he be the next golden state all by him self by making a next steph curry all by him self. young has no where near the curry natural savy and nowhere near the speed to go with the hops and dips on his release.  him and dennis gonna be a block party.

I actually like Dennis. Considering his floor, his improvement has been tremendous and he's a above average PG and a decent PG, a starter. 

The reason why I like him is his talent. His issue is simple. He's not a good enough natural PG to justify starting with his talent level. If he was as naturally talented as Westbrook or a young Rose, I could see it but for right now, he's a high end 6th man. Elite. Trae is the same right now to me. Maybe less so than Dennis but in the same range. The difference is, Trae could be much much much better. That's why Atlanta took him and PG is critical for the pace and space offense.

Without the right PG, the offense doesn't work.

[DS17Fanboy]

dennis is a solid third option in todays game, no matter if he plays pg or not

[NBASupes]

3 minutes ago, DS17Fanboy said:

dennis is a solid third option in todays game, no matter if he plays pg or not

I don't think you understand NBA Basketball. It's not about your offensive level at PG. It's about your impact. 

Lou Williams is a legit #2 NBA option and at times, a #1 option but he's not a starter for several reasons.

1. Doesn't have PG skills.

2. Doesn't defense off the ball at all. 

3. Puts most of his energy on the offensive end.

4. Undersized for SG and just not talented enough to justify starting him at PG.

 

Dennis while having better PG skills and measurables than Lou isn't anywhere near as skilled offensively, just as much of a mess defensively off the ball and while being a better passer than Lou isn't much of a passer.

 

There is not a single offensive system in the NBA where Dennis is more than a very low end starter. Not one. That's the issue with Dennis. 

 

Now with Trae, he's in the same boat for now. This is why development is important. The difference is Trae is exceptionally talented. But he is raw. Decision making skills much improve. Body must improve from his college tape, he has to become more of a team player, must become a better shooter,  hes a really good one but he must become elite. If he doesn't improve, his ceiling is maybe lower than current Dennis. If he improves and tremendously like Dennis did early in his career, you might be talking potential superstar and MVP candidate as he is perfect for the pace and space offense as he has everything needed in his tool kit to be a superstar in this system. 

That's why we are hyped on Young. He's the best talent we ever drafted. We just want see him reach his potential. 

[DS17Fanboy]

yes im being a bit of a debby downer regarding young. he also has very nice elegant quick(but transparent) foot work and seems to have a good attitude, but i just dont see how you could ever pass on doncic over him.

aside from doncic superstar potential, he would put the hawks on the map instantly. everyone would find the hawks interesting to watch and follow. more nba tv. more merchandising being sold. the whole of basketball europe would follow this franchise. and sponsors like adidas would work their ways with agents to make doncic a succes and get him good team mates.

[NBASupes]

2 minutes ago, DS17Fanboy said:

yes im being a bit of a debby downer regarding young. he also has very nice elegant quick(but transparent) foot work and seems to have a good attitude, but i just dont see how you could ever pass on doncic over him.

aside from doncic superstar potential, he would put the hawks on the map instantly. everyone would find the hawks interesting to watch and follow. more nba tv. more merchandising being sold. the whole of basketball europe would follow this franchise. and sponsors like adidas would work their ways with agents to make doncic a succes and get him good team mates.

Simple, you pass on him based on your system. The Hawks have finally admitted their system is the pace and space. That requires that the PG plays fast, that he is quick, that he can shoot extremely well, pass extremely well and create for others extremely well. Doncic could be a great PG in any system, including the pace and space but maybe Atlanta felt for their system, Young is a better prospect. Add that they got a pick which is likely not to be a lottery pick is why you make this move. 

Trae Young and Doncic are both the most marketable players in this draft. So Atlanta would win taking either of them. 

Adidas is doing the same for both players. Trae is their biggest rookie signing in ages. He's being the feature player in the NBA 2k19 game. Young is the biggest brand in college Basketball and was must see TV.

[NBASupes]

Edit: I think the Dallas pick will be a lottery pick. Typo. I think it will be in the 6-12 range.

[DS17Fanboy]

regarding dennis, ur making up a word salad and resting ur argument on a vague term like impact. have you watched hawks playoff basketball recent years? plz tell me more about impact...

bottomline in this pro sport is that dennis has "impactful" qualities that are head and shoulders above anyone else in his league. his 6.1 length and agile frame is simply asked to do to much and even gets hounded by the fans for it. his game wont age well as it stands.

[Peoriabird]

11 minutes ago, DS17Fanboy said:

 but i just dont see how you could ever pass on doncic over him.

 

You pass on Doncic because he can't shoot.  If Doncic can't shoot then he will have a tough time scoring in the NBA because he isn't athletic

[NBASupes]

Just now, DS17Fanboy said:

regarding dennis, ur making up a word salad and resting ur argument on a vague term like impact. have you watched hawks playoff basketball recent years? plz tell me more about impact...

bottomline in this pro sport is that dennis has "impactful" qualities that are head and shoulders above anyone else in his league. his 6.1 length and agile frame is simply asked to do to much and even gets hounded by the fans for it. his game wont age well as it stands.

I watch a ton of Dennis. Impact isn't vague. It's just an all encompassing gauge. 

Dennis problem is his tools and athletic ability, while very good isn't Westbrook, young Rose, Wall, or others who are elite at it. He's not a good enough PG to justify starting in the NBA without elite athletic ability.

It's that simple. For someone who shoots like him, playmake like him, and makes decisions like him, he needs to be unstoppable to justify starting in the NBA.

The only thing he is very good at is the PnR and everyone knows that. Teams go under everything with him Dennis featured.

[DS17Fanboy]

vor einer Stunde, NBASupes sagte:

Simple, you pass on him based on your system. The Hawks have finally admitted their system is the pace and space. That requires that the PG plays fast, that he is quick, that he can shoot extremely well, pass extremely well and create for others extremely well. Doncic could be a great PG in any system, including the pace and space but maybe Atlanta felt for their system, Young is a better prospect. Add that they got a pick which is likely not to be a lottery pick is why you make this move. 

Trae Young and Doncic are both the most marketable players in this draft. So Atlanta would win taking either of them. 

Adidas is doing the same for both players. Trae is their biggest rookie signing in ages. He's being the feature player in the NBA 2k19 game. Young is the biggest brand in college Basketball and was must see TV.

doncic/young on the same level sports and franchise wise = a pipe dream, one started by a former golden state manager