Prince, Collins...and Zion?

[KB21]

3 minutes ago, JCDBaptist said:

^^^THIS

Not into college ball at all anymore for the past at least 15 years. But I figured I'd watch him to see what the hoopla was about. I remeber hearing about Jabari Parker and now Shaq and LBJ sons.

But yeah...he's legit. 6'7 285 with the quickness and ball handling and passing...he is going to get even better.

The other night, in a postgame interview, he stated that he wants to show everyone that he is not just a dunker and athlete but a scorer and playmaker as well. And he is decent with his handles and passing. He specifically stated that Coach K told him that he is going to have a jumper.

So yeah, he's not just relying on his sheer athleticism, he WANTS to become even more skilled on top of the attributes that you can't coach. His 'so-called' flaws are definitely coachable and he appears to be as well.

He's 6'5", not 6'7".  

[JCDBaptist]

Just now, KB21 said:

He's 6'5", not 6'7".  

The broadcast said he was 6'7

[KB21]

Just now, JCDBaptist said:

The broadcast said he was 6'7

Yeah.  They are giving him 2 inches that he doesn't have.  He's 6'5", and that's part of the conundrum with him.  He's 6'5" with a center's game at this point.

[GThawks3]

Zions measured 6’5.5” without shoes so he’s closer to 6’7” with shoes. 

[hazer]

6’7, 285lbs, 40” vertical:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/zion-williamsons-official-height-and-weight-measurements-at-duke-are-hard-to-believe/

[hazer]

1 minute ago, hazer said:

6’7, 285lbs, 40” vertical:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/zion-williamsons-official-height-and-weight-measurements-at-duke-are-hard-to-believe/

Play him at PF and slide Collins over to C

[JCDBaptist]

18 minutes ago, KB21 said:

He's 6'5", not 6'7".  

Where did you get your stats from? His high school had him at 6'6 272. The draft express had him at 6'5.5 barefoot while still at Spartanburg, SC. He's young so it is possible he has grown an inch and half. Thats a lot of mass for his frame. 247 Sports has him at 6'7, cbs and so on and so on.

[hazer]

Young, ? , Prince, Zion, Collins = 2020 Playoffs ✅

[JCDBaptist]

23 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Yeah.  They are giving him 2 inches that he doesn't have.  He's 6'5", and that's part of the conundrum with him.  He's 6'5" with a center's game at this point.

Center's game? My dude...his playmaking is nice and slash skills are Westbrook like. He gets to the paint by ball handling without muscling his way in. He is a strong finisher without dunking through the art of layups.

Believe me, I'm not a stan. First year in many that I've actually checked for a college game but he is legit. Which games habe you watched. I watched all 3 games; Kentucky, Army, and E Michigan. Total domination without just muscling and dunking. He's a slasher and a finisher around the rim. Actually REALLY quick and agile for his size.

[KB21]

7 minutes ago, JCDBaptist said:

Where did you get your stats from? His high school had him at 6'6 272. The draft express had him at 6'5.5 barefoot while still at Spartanburg, SC. He's young so it is possible he has grown an inch and half. Thats a lot of mass for his frame. 247 Sports has him at 6'7, cbs and so on and so on.

It depends upon if his epiphyseal plates are still open.  If they have ossified, then he's not getting any taller.  

[hazer]

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

It depends upon if his epiphyseal plates are still open.  If they have ossified, then he's not getting any taller.  

And if they haven’t, he is.

[JCDBaptist]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

Yeah I gotta be honest, while I didn't do much homework on anybody prospect wise as I was busy mentally elsewhere, I didn't want Zion but it was just because I wanted other prospects (to be different). Now that I've seen him its wow.

I'd still probably prefer Reddish but I don't think you can go wrong with going with Zion.

I like Reddish as well. I think he takes a back seat to Zion and Barrett willingly and unselfishly as Bosh did in Miami and Klay does in GS.  But I will definitely prefer Zion but Reddish is not a back seat consolation prize, neither is Barrett but Barrett seems to be a Melo type of player....selfish, all about me.

[KB21]

6 minutes ago, JCDBaptist said:

Center's game? My dude...his playmaking is nice and slash skills are Westbrook like. He gets to the paint by ball handling without muscling his way in. He is a strong finisher without dunking through the art of layups.

Believe me, I'm not a stan. First year in many that I've actually checked for a college game but he is legit. Which games habe you watched. I watched all 3 games; Kentucky, Army, and E Michigan. Total domination without just muscling and dunking. He's a slasher and a finisher around the rim. Actually REALLY quick and agile for his size.

When he's doing that against a De'Andre Hunter and not Sister McWeakly from East Central Michigan Tech, then I'll buy into it.

4 minutes ago, hazer said:

And if they haven’t, he is.

Not necessarily.  

[TheNorthCydeRises]

5 hours ago, KB21 said:

It's not sustainable.  It will go down when he isn't going up against the weak sisters of the poor.  He's got some good qualities, but he's a non shooter/non defender at this point, and athleticism only gets you so far.

This is not true at all.  Zion is quick as a guard and heavier than most centers.  He also plays much more physical than anyone in college and 75% of the NBA.

The reason why Zion shoots such a high percentage isn't because of the dunks.  It's because he has uncanny body control when going to the basket.

If Zion could shoot, he literally would have a chance to be the best offensive PF in the NBA in 2 years.

I was saying at first that Zion's floor was Julius Randle.  Now, I think his floor may be Blake Griffin.

[JCDBaptist]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

It depends upon if his epiphyseal plates are still open.  If they have ossified, then he's not getting any taller.  

I know that you are a doctor but I didn't stay at the Holiday Inn last night so those words are throwing me off a bit. Hit me with those words after this week.

Maybe they are close and maybe they aren't. At worst though he could be a more athletic Draymond. 

[JCDBaptist]

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

When he's doing that against a De'Andre Hunter and not Sister McWeakly from East Central Michigan Tech, then I'll buy into it.

Not necessarily.  

But he did even more damage against Kentucky who was ranked higher at the time, I think.

The 2 subsequent blowouts allowed more time for bench players.

[hazer]

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Not necessarily.  

He just turned 18 a few months ago. I grew 2” from when I graduated HS at 17 to when  I turned 20. Since we’re discussing maybes, what if Zion grows 2 more inches at his age like I did. Wow...

[JCDBaptist]

9 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

This is not true at all.  Zion is quick as a guard and heavier than most centers.  He also plays much more physical than anyone in college and 75% of the NBA.

The reason why Zion shoots such a high percentage isn't because of the dunks.  It's because he has uncanny body control when going to the basket.

If Zion could shoot, he literally would have a chance to be the best offensive PF in the NBA in 2 years.

I was saying at first that Zion's floor was Julius Randle.  Now, I think his floor may be Blake Griffin.

Agree 1000% with EVERYTHING you just said. I'm a converted believer. Was thinking he was all hype. He doesn't just rely on dunking though. His quickness and slashing and finishing around the rim without dunking is legitimate.

[KB21]

29 minutes ago, hazer said:

Young, ? , Prince, Zion, Collins = 2020 Playoffs ✅

You want to make another bet?

[hazer]

1 minute ago, KB21 said:

You want to make another bet?

Yes, next year ✅