2 years Later.... The Warrior Model.

[kerrypack]

Smoove, Chilz, and Marvin were some of his few successes.

[gurpilo]

We are drafting players with good basketball fundamentals, nothing wrong with that. We have a good PG, three up and coming players at the wings and a good PF. Frontcourt need to be completed, we will see what we have in Bruno, right now I do not see Spellman contributing

[NBASupes]

BK wanted a modernize Detroit Pistons model. Where he succeeded? He was right, the ability to switch 1-5 was where the NBA was going and ultimately his idea was genius as he was right in that regard. 

Where he failed? Execution was awful and the talent wasn't available as draft luck just didn't happen and his scouting failed him serevely. 

Passed on Iggy and Deng who would have been good fits for his idea for Chillz. 

Josh Smith was a starter. He would have been a great backup but as a starter, he was severely deficient. 

Marvin Williams was better in theory than in reality. He fit the the mold but Atlanta needed a star potentially and should have went with CP3 or Deron.

Joe Johnson was his best move at this point. 

Shelden Williams was a disastrous pick. This was a draft Atlanta needed some luck. If they could have gotten a top 2 pick, LMA would have been ideal. This is where luck wasn't on their side.

Al Horford was the perfect fit and his best move ever. 

Acie Law was a substantial bust. 4th biggest mistake of BKs era. 

His 2nd round picks were all wastes as well. He just was a terrible scout and missing on Iggy, CP3 or Deron and just getting unlucky in the Shelden draft killed this team before they ever had a chance even when talent wise...

Al, Josh, Joe, and Marvin wasn't bad on paper for that time and era. It just never worked long term.

Sunds era was all about maintaining the ship as rookie contracts were ending as well as Joes. He did just that and added some key pieces like Jamal Crawford. He did take the team to another level but still a playoff treadmill team. 

Danny Ferry was all about Spurs model. He brought in Bud in year 2 as well. We seen a decrease in substantial talent as well. We had only three guys now, Sap, Al and Jeff instead of four guys before and good role players. Danny had the best execution in terms of trades and roster building. Where he failed was the draft. The most talented player in his era was Giannis Antetokounmpo and he promised, hid him and everything. He just didn't do like Travis and lock in so he could get him at all cost. His greatest mistake period. Much greater than his Deng comments to me.

Other than that, his picks were all awful. Dennis was malcontent player with high end backup potential. Basically Josh Smith 2.0 but worse. The rest were a consortium of busts. Payne, Jenkins, Bebe, etc. By far the worse at drafting of the crew. His hits were 2nd round low end role players. Mike Scott and Mike Muscala. 

Travis Schlenk is using the Warriors model with Warriors GM at the time as his consultant and it's not close. He probably been better at adding talent than even the Warriors did at even later slots. Trae has the potential to be better than Steph and the NBA PG. Kevin has the potential to be one of the better two way SGs and maybe as good as Klay. Cam doesn't have Durant potential but he fits us a lot more than KD fit the Warriors with elite level potential for us.

Hunter doesn't have the upside of Iggy but he is more versatile and potentially could be as impactful if not more than Iggy.

Collins has the potential to be a modern Karl Malone. Just needs to improve defensive and become even better as a shooter for the modern era. 

Bruno has potential to be a low end all star center. Which GS never had. 

While Atlanta has perfect fit as well. Atlanta executed a better Warriors talent wise and if properly developed, can dominate the NBA for the next 10-15 years.

Where can this fail? Other than player development,  we have two offensive first guys in Trae and John. If both can become zeros defensively, we can see our floor substantially rise and soon.

Of all eras, the Sund era had the most talent till now. They had Bibby, Jamal, Joe, Josh, Marvin and Al but they had the worst fit if not the worst fit in the NBA. The worst talent was the Ferry era. Jeff, Kyle, DMC, Sap and Al. No real depth, not much high end talent but elite fit, experience and execution. 60 win season proved it.

The Travis era is going to a 3rd year. It's by far the best talent era with Trae, Kevin, John, Cam Fam, Hunter and Bruno. 6 guys is what you want for any era but you also want high end talent which this crew has and elite fit. If you got that, you got a potential dynasty. No team in the NBA is built better than the Hawks. I don't don't believe any team in NBA history has been built by the draft this well. 

 

[Spud2nique]

13 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Acie Law was a substantial bust. 4th biggest mistake of BKs era. 

When Acie Law is ur 4th biggest mistake...

”Something wrong”

per Dr. Henry Lee in the OJ case..

 

 

[NBASupes]

Coaching decisions- 

Woody - I felt Woody improved the most but really, Woody was just decent. He was always great at coaching defense but terrible at coaching offense believe in iso or death and we didn't see an improvement till we got a coach on the floor in Mike Bibby at PG. He was never going to be an all around coach but he has one of our best defensive coaches.

LD- had the best offensive scheme with the Coach Jordan from the Wizards Princeton offense scheme which saw Horford take a massive jump in role and responsibility. Even Smoove had some success in it. We overachieved but overall, while he was a decent coach, he wasn't really HC material like Woody was and was more of a career assistant. His defensive scheme while the same as Woody wasn't as discipline or as focused.

Bud- Probably the best coach in an organization that has had great coaches, he was the first coaching superstar. Now he is hardheaded and stubborn and doesn't like to adjust which hurts him in Apr and May/June. He does so much well that it's hard to lose with him as a coach and he does put his stars in the situations as we seen with Horford and Giannis. He is all around and by far the best at X and Os we seen as Czar and Hubie while being as good as organization as Lenny. But his stubbornness and lack of adjustments puts him in a tough box compared to his other compatriots. I always loved Lenny's ability to adjust as well as Hubies. Overall, he will go down as a coaching legend as those guys.

LP is one of the most underrated coaches I've seen. Scheme wise, he is as creative as anyone in the NBA. His scheme on offense are top notch and this is a coach known for his defensive acumen. His defensive skills seemed below average in year 1 but I seen massive improvements throughout the year. His defensive scheme were tremendous with Philly. His communication skills and development is top notch. He has Steve Kerr potential and some. One of the most creative coaches in the NBA. Very level headed. Not the best Xs and Os guy but his scheme is really beautiful. He was a steal. Not sure how so many missed on him but I know why. He was a Black coach with no NBA experience or lineage. I don't even think the NBA has hired a coach like him before him. All of the Blacks I've seen have had a father who coached or they played in the NBA before. 

Rarely do Black coaches get this opportunity if they didn't play or wasn't NBA royalty lineage wise.

[Spud2nique]

43 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Rarely do Black coaches get this opportunity if they didn't play or wasn't NBA royalty lineage wise.

True

[Thomas]

In reference to the model thing whether it is comfortable or not because we are indeed talking about where Travis came from. Saying he is not thinking in the the mold of GSW is pretty PC here. Understanding that times change but do realize that JC fell to us, period. Moving forward think that Trae, Cam, Huerter, Hunter and Bruno seem familiar in that concept. OK, maybe Cam eclipses the comparisons, we will see. Seems fairly obvious to me. Either way am going to enjoy this particular run for our guys.