How about the Falcons?

[chillzatl]

oh please, you're so gutless it's funny. A team could go 12-4 and you'd pretend it wasn't a big deal becuase they didn't beat anyone you felt was good enough to make it a big win? Give me a break, you're a joke.

[KB21]

Michael Vick will never make Steve Young look like a mediocre quarterback. Vick is still one of the most inaccurate quarterbacks in the league, and he still couldn't read a defense even if it was printed in bold letters.

The guy is simply a glorified running back, and the media sucks his balls due to their social conscious.

[chillzatl]

I think you're mistaken, or at least speaking from watching last years games. He is NOT an overly accurate QB. That is not even up for debate. But his ability to read defenses has improved tremendously this season. I've seen him spot things, call them out and then adjust the play more times this year than I have in his career to this point, combined.

So go on with your haterish comments. But don't talk [censored] for the sake of talking [censored]. If you've watched the games then you wouldn't be able to honestly make that last "observation".

[Plainview1981]

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oh please, you're so gutless it's funny. A team could go 12-4 and you'd pretend it wasn't a big deal becuase they didn't beat anyone you felt was good enough to make it a big win? Give me a break, you're a joke.

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You know what I say is true. Just because you are a homer

doesn't mean anything. They've had the benefit of an easy

schedule and we both know it. Look at teams like Minnesota,

Jets, Saints... They are a COMPLETE MESS.

You can call me whatever you want... But these are facts.

Deal with it. Those teams are just about the worst in the

NFL with only the Texans and Titans right around in there

somewhere aswell.

The Falcons are good enough to beat ok teams in the regular

season and will beat a pretty good team from time to time.

However, if Vick and the Falcons continue to play the way

they are they will be out in the playoffs early again.

The fact that you have to come with your pathetic and

cheap insults and nothing else.. Which shows you have

no argument againest what I'm saying. The one big

accomplishment Vick has is the win over Green Bay in

the playoffs a few years ago.

Quit throwing out winning percentages when most of the teams

you guys have beat haven't been very good.

[troubleman]

Actually in two years as the starting qb, Vick has the win at Green Bay and an appearance in the NFC Championship Game. He has gone further in the playoffs than the likes of Hasselback, Bulger,Trent Green and Culpepper. Each of them are better "passers", but I would not call them better quarterbacks.

Vick like McNabb (before TO), and to an extent Mcnair, has made a team that is 3-13 over the last three years without him, into a legitimate playoff contender. As far as the schedule is concerned, NFL Teams can only play the teams placed in front of them. Vick has work to do as a quarterback, but lets not minimize the value he has to his team.

[Plainview1981]

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Actually in two years as the starting qb, Vick has the win at Green Bay and an appearance in the NFC Championship Game. He has gone further in the playoffs than the likes of Hasselback, Bulger,Trent Green and Culpepper. Each of them are better "passers", but I would not call them better quarterbacks.

Vick like McNabb (before TO), and to an extent Mcnair, has made a team that is 3-13 over the last three years without him, into a legitimate playoff contender. As far as the schedule is concerned, NFL Teams can only play the teams placed in front of them. Vick has work to do as a quarterback, but lets not minimize the value he has to his team.

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First of all, the Titans were as good as they were because

of defense and a running game and not McNair. Steve was

basically a 3 year QB in terms of being good. The rest of

the time he was an average QB AT BEST. He became a very

overrated QB very quickly.

Second.... McNabb is a better passer than Vick. Probably

not as good as some of the other guys, but still better

than Vick. I also believe Culpepper has got out of the

first round since being the Vikes QB.

Third... You really think Vick could win with the defense

KC has had over the years? C'mon now, be realistic. This

is the defense that couldn't force ONE punt againest

Indy in the playoffs a few years ago.

Fourth...Bulger isn't anything special. Never really been

a fan of his.

My point is that while the Falcons are a pretty decent

team they haven't shown the ability to knock off many

top notch team and have had the benefit of a good

schedule. Not that they are the only team.. But I think

it factors in. So, the Falcons have proven to be a good

regular season team, but alot more is going to have to

be done before they are a legit title contender.

"As far as the schedule is concerned, NFL Teams can only play the teams placed in front of them"

So what... Just because the Falcons don't make the schedule

doesn't mean that should be overlooked.

"but I would not call them better quarterbacks."

Well, then you are wrong. What did Vick do to help the

Falcons win on Monday Night? 3 picks... Fumble... Passer

rating of 16. They played a team that had a 43 year old

QB. Really 2 years ago I probably would have agreed.

But he has regressed the last few years so I say no.

[Plainview1981]

I think if Vick improves his throwing he could be the

best QB possibly ever. The raw talent is obviousally

there, but I think he and the Falcons need more tests

before I can rank him up there with playoff tested QB's

in Manning, Brady, McNabb, Farve and a few others.

I think I read a stat the only day that a team with a

350+ yard running QB in a season has never won the

Super Bowl. So while I agree, vicks winning percentage

as a QB is good, defense and schdule still plays a

factor into thinks.

I know it sounds like I'm dogging the Falcons and I

don't mean it that way really. They are just untested

and the schedule has made things alittle easier.

[Diesel]

With Vick = Championship Contender.

Without Vick = 3-13...

The numbers speak without your explaination!

[cyman3]

thats what it comes down to... does ur QB win games for u?

doesnt he have like the 2ND HIGHEST WINNING % (for a QB career)? sure its still early in his career, but i think he has played enough games to consider that % SKILL rather than LUCK.

as for the NFL, theres no such thing as an easy schedule. Theres HARD SCHEDULES and REALLY HARD SCHEDULES!

and for this season, our schedule's pretty tough.

[Plainview1981]

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With Vick = Championship Contender.

Without Vick = 3-13...

The numbers speak without your explaination!

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The reason they were so bad without Vick a few years ago

ago is because they are a soft team, (or atleast they were

then)and when Vick went down they started to feel sorry

for themselves. How many games you gunna win that way?

I don't know if they would have had a winning season. But

I saw more than one Falcon game that year, and they quit

very often...

I the Falcons have NO shot at winning the Super Bowl as

they can't handle the Steelers. I've explained in good

enough detail at why the Falcons aren't a great team and

why Vick isn't a great QB. Do yourself a favor and worry

about what you know the most about... THe NBA.

You can say what you want, but you are either being biased

or you plain out have little idea what you are talking

about. I have nothing againest the Falcons, I'll rip my

own team for their crappy play and such.

lkast of all, The Falcons aren't a title threat. They don't

have the players or toughness to beat The Steelers.

[Plainview1981]

as for the NFL, theres no such thing as an easy schedule. Theres HARD SCHEDULES and REALLY HARD SCHEDULES!"

1.Beat a Jets team that was on it's 4th QB and basically

gave the game away on top of that. Easy win

2.The Vikings

3.The Saints-Didn't they give up 50 something points to

a 1-6 Green Bay team a few weeks ago? Nuff said

That's atleast 3 easy wins right there. I don't see how

you can see the above teams as a tough schedule.

You try and throw every Falcons win on Vick. Sorry, he isn't why they won that aweful Jets game.

[Diesel]

With Vick... Championship contender.

Without Vick... 3-13.

You say that they were a soft team. The same team the year before was almost in the playoffs...

The year after, were in the playoffs, almost in the superbowl.

I think you can continue to give opinion after opinion as you frantically desire to make your opinion the truth... However, the only real truth in this whole thread is this:

With Vick... Championship contender.

Without Vick... 3-13.

Like I said before... That speaks without your opinion!

[Plainview1981]

Whenever you basically quit cause one player is out

that means you are soft. PERIOD. If your team breaks

because of one injury that's a sign of a not so tough

team.

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You say that they were a soft team. The same team the year before was almost in the playoffs...

The year after, were in the playoffs, almost in the superbowl."

When were the Falcons almost in the Super Bowl?? The

year they got whipped by Philly in the 2nd round?

If you believe a team with little defense and no WR's

are a title contender you are being an idiot.

Like I said, stick to what you know.

If the Falcons win the Super Bowl with their current

roster the NFL needs to be disbanded.

[troubleman]

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When were the Falcons almost in the Super Bowl?? The

year they got whipped by Philly in the 2nd round?

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I guess last year's NFC Championship appearance would count as "almost in the Super Bowl".

Again, you are confusing great passing numbers, with being a great qb. Sorry, great passing numbers don't mean jack. I don't think anybody believes that M. Vick is a great passer or a finished product, but the bottom line is the Falcons have a high winning percentage when he is on the field, and a low winning percentage when he is off the field. It's funny how he came back from injury and finished the season 3-1, with that same soft team which had gone 2-10 in his absence.

[Plainview1981]

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When were the Falcons almost in the Super Bowl?? The

year they got whipped by Philly in the 2nd round?

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I guess last year's NFC Championship appearance would count as "almost in the Super Bowl".

Again, you are confusing great passing numbers, with being a great qb. Sorry, great passing numbers don't mean jack. I don't think anybody believes that M. Vick is a great passer or a finished product, but the bottom line is the Falcons have a high winning percentage when he is on the field, and a low winning percentage when he is off the field. It's funny how he came back from injury and finished the season 3-1, with that same soft team which had gone 2-10 in his absence.

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That one bad loss was a terrible thrashing by the Colts

I believe. Who did they beat in the 3 things? My view is

that despite the Falcons winning percentage with Vick

they've had an easy schedule. Like I said, they aren't the

only team to have a questionable schedule, but I think it

should be taken into account.

Yes, the soft team. It's simple, when a team starts feeling

sorry for it's self because one player got hurt they are

a soft team. Remember a few years ago when the Eagles lost

McNabb for like 5 games. Did they quit?

"I guess last year's NFC Championship appearance would count as "almost in the Super Bowl"."

Perhaps Technically, but to me it was a case of so close..

but really so far away.

If you want to simple it down just to make it look good

in your favor that's up to you. However, I see a good team

that hasn't really beaten many top tier teams. That doesn't

make you a great team, but it makes you a good team that

is good enough to be average to alittle above average good

teams.

Not that it's all Vicks fault... He could use a deepthreat,

but I'm not 100% sure he'd stop running so much anyway. I

just don't believe he is going to change what he's probably

done his entire life that easily.

He clearly at times tries to stay in the pocket more these

days, but sometimes he seems to give up on that easily and

take off running. One thing I do wonder is that if his

height becomes an issue... He appears like he might not

even be 6 feet to me.

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Also, watching Matt pass for 300 yards and 3 TD's tells

me the WR's aren't as terrible as people try and make

them out to be. Vick really hasn't came that close to

matching those numbers in a game this year. I kinda

expected Matt to have maybe a 200 yard passing day with

a TD and 2 picks.... But he comes in and has a great

game and that makes me wonder.

Anyway you look at it, the Falcons have made a longterm

investment in Vick, but what's gunna happen when he is

30 years old and still running? He's even smaller than

a Steve Young and can take the punishment less on his

body.

Right now he's on track to be completely beatup by the

time he's 30 and might be sitting on a bench somewhere

like a Cunningham because of it. I'd hate to see it

happen since Vick has the talent to be the best QB in the

league ever.