What would it take for the ASG to win us back?

[TroyMcClure]

I can't think of anything right now. A reactionary move would not be enough. I need to see some kind of acknowledgement of failures and a new plan.

[DrReality]

I disagree. In the next few weeks if they make a reasonable trade or two that will give me some hope. I am not delusional and know that there will not be any trades that make a huge difference. But to stand pat and do nothing would be disheartening.

Honestly I think the AS have their hands tied and there is a limit to what they can do.

[exodus]

Firing BK would work for me.

[bird_dirt]

naked cheerleaders would work for me

[CBAreject]

A trade to make us 2-3 wins better would be the worst thing we could do, especially if we gave up young players or picks.

A trade for Anthony Johnson would make me sick.

[TexasPete]

BK needs to be fired. That would do it for me. But, if we would bring in an up tempo coach like Iavaroni that would clinch it. I may even buy tickets again.

But them having the stones to actually do these things? Not likely.

[Gray Mule]

If we fire Woodson, he would still draw his salary

and the new coach would demand a pretty nice payday

to come here - Especially under the circumstances.

I don't know the assistant coaches and what they are

responsible for. We naturally want to blame Woodson

for things we see wrong with the Hawks.

In football, each part of the game is the responsibility

of assistant coaches, under the command of the head

coach.

Offensive coach. Defensive coach. Special teams coach.

Each coach is responsible for one part of the overall

game plan. Do we have that with the NBA teams? Is

there a special coach for the defensive planning,

the offensive sets, etc.?

Or, is our coach surrounded by "Yes Men" whose sole

job is to see that the wishes of Woodson are carried

out?

If the Hawks can't afford to fire Woodson, or don't want

to do this, what about the assistant coaches? We

believe they are hand picked by Woodson. The question

is, what are they doing - What are they capable of

doing. Can they be held accountable for what is

happening? Why or why not?

We know that much of what has caused all the recent

loosing is the result of all the injuries to key players

and we could probably win our part of games with a

healthy roster.

Still, the question remains. What about the assistant

coaches? Do they not deserve at least some of the

blame in the overall picture of the state of the Hawks??

[TroyMcClure]

The MAIN problem is Woody and his looney sub patterns, his inability to stop runs with timeouts, no plays, letting Smoove crush us early standing on the wing, etc. Basic stuff. We don't need to rehash. I think everyone should go. The assistants are about the last people on my list.

[Gray Mule]

Sure - It's weak. But, it's all I've got. Could

anyone get all the owners to agree on a replacement coach

and agree to the extra money that would be required to

make it happen?

Probably not. The Owners have each other tied up and

we must live with it.

All the things you point out as being wrong, which most

would agree with is what I'm asking about.

Are any of the assistant coaches to be held accountable

for any of this. Do they have any real voice in what

goes on during a game or in the planning for an

upcoming game? If not, what DO they do??

[Diesel]

First off no good coach is coming here without a big money guarantee and that's not a guarantee because it's not Belkin's money lost if he wins.

Secondly...It would be foolish for our ownership to pay two guys to do one job.

Moreover, there's some that say, let's see what this team has when everybody healthy.. I agree.

Either way, Waiting seems to be the best solution from the owners perspective. There's a lot of talk and finger pointing here on the messageboard this weekend, but truth be told if you were placed int he owners position, you'd wait it out too!

[AtLaS]

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If the Hawks can't afford to fire Woodson, or don't want

to do this, what about the assistant coaches? We

believe they are hand picked by Woodson. The question

is, what are they doing - What are they capable of

doing. Can they be held accountable for what is

happening? Why or why not?

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My question is, if the Hawks can't afford to fire Woodson, then what the hell are they doing as owners? We have one of the lowest payrolls in the league, and Woodson isn't even a high salary coach, that's sad if true. I realize they are in a legal battle but damn, a couple million should be nothing for an owner or owners..

[AtLaS]

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The MAIN problem is Woody and his looney sub patterns, his inability to stop runs with timeouts, no plays, letting Smoove crush us early standing on the wing, etc.

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Funny that you single out Smith, why don't you watch Marvin on the wing, or ANY of our players however, they all stand on the wing and don't move. That is on Woody, and says to me that he has no offensive gameplan, which we already knew.

[Diesel]

To answer your question Atlas.

The truth is that our owners came in with a lot of debt. I think it's about 95 to 150 million dollars in debt. They got the teams and the arena at a steal because of the huge Debt that Babcock and Company (AOL) had run up.

The original Deal was thought to be worth 250 million dollars.

The percentages broke down to:

Belkin 30%

Spirit: 55%

TBS: 15% (Silent Partner; Equity Stake)

What has happened since the break up is that the remnant of Atlanta SPirit has been responsible for paying off the debt while Belkin keeps the case in court. While Belkin pays Nothing. PLUS, the remnant had to pay 11.4 Million this summer so that Belkin doesn't lose any value of the Hawks franchise while AS runs the team.

So AS is bleeding a lot of money already...

The Judge order that Belkin buys the AS out at the cost that they bought in at.

That's 55% of 250 million something like 137 or so.

The last thing is that the question has been brought up if the AS needed Belkin to get the deal done. I think the answer is yes and no. I think they liked his portfolio and thought that it would help get them over... but I doubt they needed him.

I think they could have gotten Turner to put in and done better...

Lastly, I don't know what kind of buyout TBS has in the deal. I mean, I don't know if they can be bought out at all.

[TroyMcClure]

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The MAIN problem is Woody and his looney sub patterns, his inability to stop runs with timeouts, no plays, letting Smoove crush us early standing on the wing, etc.

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Funny that you single out Smith, why don't you watch Marvin on the wing, or ANY of our players however, they all stand on the wing and don't move. That is on Woody, and says to me that he has no offensive gameplan, which we already knew.

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I was speaking of early in the season about Josh. That, among other things, killed our chances of making the playoffs. Woodson can't develop players. You're right, Marvin has been doing the same thing. That is all on Woodson. I watch all the games. I didn't need to tell Graymule all the problems. He knows.

[AtLaS]

I didn't realize they were in that much of a mess, I just stay away from most of the ownership discussions, they get too in depth. Damn this is sad, we need to get this solved ASAP, and not in Belkins favor.

[Gray Mule]

WHAT ABOUT OUR ASSISTANT COACHES????

Does anyone know? Would anyone care to guess?

What do they do?

What part, if any, do they have in the game plan as the

Hawks prepare for their next opponent?

Does each one have an assigned responsibility?

Does Woodson have to set up all the defensive sets?

Does he have to do all the offensive plays?

Are the assistant coaches all there just to "Help out"

with all this, or do each one have something that

he is personally responsible for?

If they aren't responsible for SOMETHING, then why do

we need them? But, if they ARE responsible, which I

believe that they should be, then they should share

part of the blame when things go wrong.

I believe, for the most part, head coaches, regardless

of which sport we're talking about, are only as good

as the assistant coaches that they have.

Certainly, the head coach is out front and must ultimately

be held responsible for everything. However, he can't

do everything. If he could, why have assistants??

[Guest Walter]

A judge in their pocket. That's about what it will take. We'll likely go through two + more years of this as this will likely be "decided", followed by whatever injunction the losing team files, followed by another appeal. That will result in almost FOUR YEARS of this travesty. I know Belkin is the Evil Lord in this one, but the Spirit's incompetence is equally responsible for costing us FOUR YEARS worth of adequate ownership. They really need a judge in their pocket to win me over.

A good start would not only be removing BK and Woody, but finding quality replacements for them. I believe a favorable bunch of judges is more likely than that given the current scenario.

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