Premium Member Diesel Posted December 16, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Well, part of three games... NO vs. Phoenix. NY vs. NJ. San Antonio vs. Denver... IT became apparent to me... THIS ONE THING... Good teams can shoot threes. We don't have any three point shooters other than JJ and Lue? And Lue should be leaving at the end of the season. I caught Highlights of Navvarro in Memphis and say "Damn we should have gotten this kid!!" Against us defenses just pack the lane and just wait. Here's some offseason suggestions: Since we're drafting in the second, we should take a strong look at Shan Foster of Vandy! In the meanwhile, we should seriously look to trade for some type of 3 pt shooter. Hear me out here... An Answer may be Damon Stoudamire. He can run the offense, he can hit an open three pointer... He could help spread the defense and he lives in Atlanta... And he's on the trading blocks! I think Memphis would take ending contracts for DS... I would send Lo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidSomerset Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 It is the single biggest weakness about our team...And if we're going to go anywhere, it needs to get fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesheedera Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quote: Agreed. I agree too. Good thing is that we're surviving without it. We seem to be getting away from the jumpshooting mentality and seem to be more focused on finding good looks closer in. We need to add someone ad we need Marvin (and Acie) to extend his range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quote: Quote: Agreed. I agree too. Good thing is that we're surviving without it. We seem to be getting away from the jumpshooting mentality and seem to be more focused on finding good looks closer in. We need to add someone ad we need Marvin (and Acie) to extend his range. Another Hawks enigma. Josh Smith has made 9 3pt shots this year. He's taken 37 though for 24% Marvin is a better shooter and he's made 1... out of 3 attempts. Here you have it, another in a long line of Hawks enigmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt91 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Kapano was available this past summer for cheap and we didn't even make an offer. The guy scored 29pts the other night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 This is a big reason why our offense sputters at some points. Being able to hit that 3 more often would make driving to the basket and posting up much easier. Personally other than a trade, a fix right now would be getting Law to focus on that. i don't know about damon, he's not exactly a 3 point specialist.... you know, it looks like Woodson has been giving salim time to see if he can be that person but salim has not been shooting well at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeWilksBooth Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quote: Kapano was available this past summer for cheap and we didn't even make an offer. The guy scored 29pts the other night. Brilliant idea, give a guy who does nothing but shoot 3's 6 million per year. You could find somebody in the D-League to do this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Give Salim routine minutes and he is one of our three point shooters. I think this needs to happen but doubt it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quote: Give Salim routine minutes and he is one of our three point shooters. I think this needs to happen but doubt it will. Salim is an inconsistent head case who can't handle the ball and is a liability defensively. The need for a 3 pt shooter is another reason we should let Childress go. he scores inside when he gets set up by other players but Marvin and Smith can do that. Childress really doesn't bring anything to the table that we don't have. I like the core we have of JJ/Mavin/Smith/Horford/Acie. We just need to find the right role players to surround them with. I like West because he is a role player who brings something unique to the team that they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swatguy Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quote: Quote: Give Salim routine minutes and he is one of our three point shooters. I think this needs to happen but doubt it will. Salim is an inconsistent head case who can't handle the ball and is a liability defensively. The need for a 3 pt shooter is another reason we should let Childress go. he scores inside when he gets set up by other players but Marvin and Smith can do that. Childress really doesn't bring anything to the table that we don't have. I like the core we have of JJ/Mavin/Smith/Horford/Acie. We just need to find the right role players to surround them with. I like West because he is a role player who brings something unique to the team that they need. Josh Childress is one of three of the most consistent Hawks this season and past. Much is overblown concerning Salim's "Head". He is very competitive but Not a "Headcase". You who repeatedly call players "headcase and such" probably are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Quote: Much is overblown concerning Salim's "Head". He is very competitive but Not a "Headcase". When the Hawks win on a buzzer beater and the team is going crazy i would expect some type of positive reaction from Salim. Instead he looks like a guy who is on the way to his dentist. Salims attitude problems have been well documented by people who go to the games. Quote: You who repeatedly call players "headcase and such" probably are. Why don't you try to find another time when i have called a Hawks player other than Salim a head case? You won't because you just pulled that comment out of your bunghole. I am not the one who is so childish that i go to another teams board and taunt them after a loss. i am not the one making threats over the internet. So do you still think Howard is coming to Atlanta? Quote: You really do not understand. Dwight is a different kind of guy. If it his his desire to play in Atlanta,he will. He will allow Orlando to tender by refusing to sign a new contract. With his endorsements he is set financially now. He can wait for the second contract in '09. Orlando knows by now he cannot be bought. I believe he will leave. click Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexmethylphenidate Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I think JJ, AJ and Chillz are very capable three pt shooters. They just don't take that many unless wide open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member mrhonline Posted December 16, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 The Hawks need a 3 point shooter at the 1. I've suggested getting Jarrett Jack and James Jones from Portland because they bring skills I think are better fits for the Hawks long-term: a reserve wing with range and a tough, scoring guard who can play some at the 2 if necessary. There really is very little that Childress does that Marvin hasn't been doing consistently all season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt91 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I didn't say they had to give him that much per year and if Toronto did do that then they are either stupid or couldn't find anything better to do with their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superstar Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I agree i think that JJ has been a little cold and is just warming up as of late, if we look at the stats thats where most of 3's came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted December 17, 2007 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 The truth is that Marvin is supposed to be able to hit a three. The fact that he hasn't even taken that many is part of the problem. Our SF position is a midrange position. Smoove has the desire to shoot a three, but his percentage sucks. Exodus makes about the most disconnected statements ( talking about agenda man).. Exodus fix is let's trade Chillz?? Why? Chillz is shooting 57% from the field and 37% from three? IF Marvin goes down... CHillz is the man. IF JJ goes down, Chillz is the man... Ex didn't even have a plan.. Just "we need to trade CHillz"... So this brings us to the PG position. This is where I started... A three point shooting PG... I mentioned Damon Stoudamire. He has already hit 33 3pters at a percentage of 43%... As a team, we have only hit 93 3 pters and our percentage is horrible. The other thing is that Damon is average 4.0 assist per game in 20 mpg... When you consider what's available, I don't think we can find a better deal than DS.... Lo Wright for Stoudamire works on paper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Quote: Exodus fix is let's trade Chillz?? Why? How many reasons do you want? He is slow and weak which causes him to struggle on defense. His lack of strength also hurts him when he tries to finish inside, which is where the bulk of his points come from. He can't get his jumper off unless he has a Wal-Mart's worth of open space. He can't shoot a j off the dribble at all. He is too slow to beat guys off the dribble when the defender is set. He has no playmaking ability at all. He has more turnovers than assists on the season. The backup 2/3 spot is the easiest spot to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted December 17, 2007 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 First off, we use him as a finisher/garbage player. He's shooting 57% from the field. Too slow to beat a guy off the dribble? That's not his game nor do we need it to be. He's a 3rd to 4th option scorer who can hit an open shot to spread the defense. He does this very well. He also can play in close. He also finishes on the break better than anybody else we have. You point out that he's not a play maker, but what Sf in our offense is asked to be that? Again Agendaman, you've bringing up a whole lot of disconnected statements that really don't apply. It's like saying Dwight Howard sucks because he's 0% from the three point line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Quote: First off, we use him as a finisher/garbage player. Because that is all he can do. Quote: Too slow to beat a guy off the dribble? That's not his game nor do we need it to be. Sure. we have so many guys who can create their own shot we dont need any more. Quote: He's a 3rd to 4th option scorer who can hit an open shot to spread the defense. Open for him is a lot different than it is for other players. He has to be wiiiiiidddddde open. Quote: You point out that he's not a play maker, but what Sf in our offense is asked to be that? When a guy spends time at the point, like Chill does, he should have more assists than turnovers. marvin never plays the point yet has many more assists than turnovers. Quote: you've bringing up a whole lot of disconnected statements that really don't apply They all apply. Childress brings nothing to the table that we dont have already. Smith ,Marvin and Horford can get garbage points inside. However they can score in other ways. Childress can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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