82games.com: Hawks stats thru 7 games

[TheNorthCydeRises]

* Best 5-man unit: Bibby - Crawford - JJ - Smoove - Horford . . . ( +33 ) plus/minus . . 60% eFG . . 4 - 1 W/L record . . no other lineup comes close to this production.

* Hawks shooting 41% eFG on jumpshots ( that's not good . . especially when 61% of your total shots are jumpers )

* starting 5 get to the FT line far more than any other unit.

Joe Johnson:

* 76% of shots are jumpers ( 46% eFG - 12 pts )

* has a plus/minus number of ( -18 ) when he plays SG . . ( +46 ) at SF

* 4.8 assist/bad pass ratio

* shoots and rebounds better playing at SF . . assists and trips to FT line higher playing at SG

* 45% of shots come with 8 or less seconds on the shot clock ( 46% eFG )

Jamal Crawford:

* 70% of shots are jumpers ( 41% eFG . . actually worse than at Golden St last year )

* converting a whopping 81% FG on close shots ( best on the team by far )

* 5.3 assist/bad pass ratio

* drawing a foul on almost 15% of shot attempts

* has a plus/minus number of ( -13 ) when he plays PG . . ( +46 ) at SG

Al Horford:

* has a plus/minus number of ( +59 ) . . best on team

* has a 10.8 roland rating . . best on team

* has a 31.8 rebounding rating . . best on team

* Hawks are +12 with Horford on the floor . . -12 with him off the floor

Josh Smith:

* shooting 70% FG on close range shots ( 10 ppg )

* 3.9 assist/bad pass ratio

* 14.4 block rating

* draws a foul on over 19% of his shots

* shooting 32% eFG on his jumpers ( luckily only 33% of his total shots are jumpers )

Marvin Williams:

* shooting 72% FG on close shots ( by far a career best so far )

* draws a foul on over 17% of his shots ( 2nd on team )

* shooting only 33% eFG on his jumpers ( with over 60% of total shots being jumpers, thats a problem )

* FG% and rebounding are higher with him playing PF, than at SF

* plays in no lineup that consistently outplays or is outplayed by the opponent, continuing a trend from last year

Mike Bibby:

* 88% of total shots are jumpers ( 48% eFG - 7.3 points )

* opposing PG shooting 39% FG with Bibby in game playing the point

* hands rating of 43.8 ( best on team )

Jeff Teague:

* 17.0 assist/bad pass ratio ( 10.1 assts per 48 min )

* 28% eFG on jumpers ( worse than Josh Smith )

Mo Evans:

* .595 eFG% on jumpers ( best on team )

Edited November 9, 2009 by northcyde

[DjGrizz]

Hey thanks for posting this! I always like to look at different ways to analyze players.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

My bad. JJ is ( +40 ) at SF, not ( +46 )

And there's also a significant dropoff in production when Bibby isn't in the game. Hawks are +9.3 with Bibby on the court . . . -1.7 with him off the court.

I think he and Horford's point differential, when looking at this, is partially because they were the two who were out of the game during that Laker 3rd quarter run.

[Buzzard]

Thanks! This is interesting but way to small a sample size. Marvin is shooting poorly to start the season. Hopefully that is a trend that does not continue.

Marvin is on the second best five man unit:

Bibby-Crawford-Johnson-Williams-Horford 75% 3 and 1 and 16.4 minutes played together

Number one is:

Bibby-Crawford-Johnson-Josh.Smith-Horford 80% 4 and 1 and 34.8 minutes played together.

This obviously has to do with Crawfords early season lights out play since he is on all six of the units that have a winning % of .500 or better. With him being our sixth man this is exactly what I want too see. No matter who is playing bad, it seems Crawford is the X factor when he comes in so far this season...

Thought this was cool also:

Teague-Crawford-Evans-Joe Smith-Pachulia 60% 3 and 2 and only a +/- of -1

Maybe we can trade Horf, Marvin, Smoove, and Bibby for Howard or Bosh and go win a championship?

Seriously, I think this shows the early season impact Crawford and Smoove are having on our team so far this season; as well as the importance of Horford. JJ is JJ; he will get his. Its nice to see these three others getting theirs!

[jerrywest]

Great post Northcyde. Thanks.

[exodus]

Some other non-82games.com stats are worth a look.

So far the Hawks are 5th in the NBA in scoring at 106.85 ppg and 8th in FG% at 47.4%. The scary part is that the Hawks really haven't found the range from outside. JJ and Crawford are way off from 3. The only guys hitting them are Mo and Bibby. The Hawks percentage of 33% from 3 is pretty bad considering they have several guys who can make 3s and Smith hasn't been bringing the percentage down.

So how are the Hawks scoring so well if they can't hit their jumpers? The are doing a good job getting the easy points.

They are 4th in fast breat points at 16.9 per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fastbreak-points-per-game.

the Hawks are NUMBER 1 (no that is not a typo) in points in the paint at 52.9, up from 38.7 last year. .

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/points-in-paint-per-game

The Hawks are 6th in made free throws per game at 21.4, up from 18.6 last year.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/free-throws-made-per-game

Last year the Hawks were blistering teams from 3 early in the year. It was fun to watch but I said at the time that it was inevitable that they would cool off. Long range shooting will be up and down for even the best shooters. However getting the easy points can be done much more consistently than hitting long range shots which makes me more optimistic about this years offense relative to last years.

[Buzzard]

Some other non-82games.com stats are worth a look.

So far the Hawks are 5th in the NBA in scoring at 106.85 ppg and 8th in FG% at 47.4%. The scary part is that the Hawks really haven't found the range from outside. JJ and Crawford are way off from 3. The only guys hitting them are Mo and Bibby. The Hawks percentage of 33% from 3 is pretty bad considering they have several guys who can make 3s and Smith hasn't been bringing the percentage down.

So how are the Hawks scoring so well if they can't hit their jumpers? The are doing a good job getting the easy points.

They are 4th in fast breat points at 16.9 per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fastbreak-points-per-game.

the Hawks are NUMBER 1 (no that is not a typo) in points in the paint at 52.9, up from 38.7 last year. .

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/points-in-paint-per-game

The Hawks are 6th in made free throws per game at 21.4, up from 18.6 last year.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/free-throws-made-per-game

Last year the Hawks were blistering teams from 3 early in the year. It was fun to watch but I said at the time that it was inevitable that they would cool off. Long range shooting will be up and down for even the best shooters. However getting the easy points can be done much more consistently than hitting long range shots which makes me more optimistic about this years offense relative to last years.

FT made and points in the paint. Two great improvements to see. Thanks!

Imagine how we will be offensively when JJ, Crawford, and Marvin start making their 3s!

[Plainview1981]

One thing should be kept in mind... This team hasn't played strong defensive teams yet. The strongest defense this team has played so far is Charlotte and we all seen how that game ended up. The PPG will come down to around 100PPG by the end of the season.

[niremetal]

Great post, Northcyde.

[Buzzard]

One thing should be kept in mind... This team hasn't played strong defensive teams yet. The strongest defense this team has played so far is Charlotte and we all seen how that game ended up. The PPG will come down to around 100PPG by the end of the season.

We played two of the best defenses in Charlotte ranked 3rd and Portland ranked 6th. Both games on their home court and we went 1-1. Portland is no fluke, they were ranked 4th at the end of last season; which is why I think that was our best win so far this season...

100 PPG would be right on if our only offensive improvement is 2 more made free throws a game. I think with the addition of Crawford we are also going to improve our dribble penetration, points in the paint. And if Smoove is for real he will be adding to that as well. Horfs scoring is up also.

102 PPG would be a substantial improvement but not out of the question...

Edited November 9, 2009 by Buzzard

[Plainview1981]

We played two of the best defenses in Charlotte ranked 3rd and Portland ranked 6th. Both games on their home court and we went 1-1. Portland is no fluke, they were ranked 4th at the end of last season; which is why I think that was our best win so far this season...

100 PPG would be right on if our only offensive improvement is 2 more made free throws a game. I think with the addition of Crawford we are also going to improve our dribble penetration, points in the paint. And if Smoove is for real he will be adding to that as well. Horfs scoring is up also.

102 PPG would be a substantial improvement but not out of the question...

Charlotte has the style of defense that gives this team problems. Portland... They might be a strong defensive team in some ways, but I'm not sure they're the tough minded defensive team like Houston, SA, Charlotte, Boston and the old Detroit team was. I think this team is still going to struggle when it runs into tough minded defense.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Hotlanta1981

[MaceCase]

We played two of the best defenses in Charlotte ranked 3rd and Portland ranked 6th. Both games on their home court and we went 1-1. Portland is no fluke, they were ranked 4th at the end of last season; which is why I think that was our best win so far this season...

100 PPG would be right on if our only offensive improvement is 2 more made free throws a game. I think with the addition of Crawford we are also going to improve our dribble penetration, points in the paint. And if Smoove is for real he will be adding to that as well. Horfs scoring is up also.

102 PPG would be a substantial improvement but not out of the question...

Points scored and points allowed per game are not a good indication of offense or defense because they do not account for pace which is a measure of how many possessions a team uses in 48 minutes. The best metric to determine offense/defense is the offensive/defensive rating because that metric normalizes every teams possessions to 100 and then determines how many points they score and allow per 100 possessions.

Obviously a team that runs a 7SOL offense will average more possessions in a game but their production would be similar to a team that utilizes the entire 24 second clock because for as many shot attempts that they get the opposing teams attempts would rise simultaneously . For example The Blazers scored "only" 99.4 points per game last year yet were still 1st in offense in part to them being last in the league in pace. They allowed only 94.1 points per game but that meant, once pace was taken into consideration, that they were actually 13th in defense. That being said here are the current ranks for the teams we've played so far.

Indiana-W 9th in defensive rating

Washington-W 18th in defensive rating

Los Angeles-L 10th in defensive rating

Portland- W 11th in defensive rating

Sacramento-W 27th in defensive rating

Charlotte-L 3rd in defensive rating

Denver-W 22nd in defensive rating

So we've played 3 top 10 defenses so far and have come away with a 1-2 record. Here's a list of our upcoming opponents current defensive ratings

New York-23rd in defensive rating

Boston-2nd in defensive rating

New Orleans 28th in defensive rating

Then Portland again

So far Boston will be the only test as far as our offense up against a top 10 defense. After that we will only face 3 top 10 defenses in the next 12 games in the currently 5th ranked Heat, 7th ranked Mavericks and 8th ranked Bulls.

Good to see you back Hots, your brand of cynicism has surprisingly been missed over the past week.

[jy23]

Points scored and points allowed per game are not a good indication of offense or defense because they do not account for pace which is a measure of how many possessions a team uses in 48 minutes. The best metric to determine offense/defense is the offensive/defensive rating because that metric normalizes every teams possessions to 100 and then determines how many points they score and allow per 100 possessions.

Obviously a team that runs a 7SOL offense will average more possessions in a game but their production would be similar to a team that utilizes the entire 24 second clock because for as many shot attempts that they get the opposing teams attempts would rise simultaneously . For example The Blazers scored "only" 99.4 points per game last year yet were still 1st in offense in part to them being last in the league in pace. They allowed only 94.1 points per game but that meant, once pace was taken into consideration, that they were actually 13th in defense. That being said here are the current ranks for the teams we've played so far.

Indiana-W 9th in defensive rating

Washington-W 18th in defensive rating

Los Angeles-L 10th in defensive rating

Portland- W 11th in defensive rating

Sacramento-W 27th in defensive rating

Charlotte-L 3rd in defensive rating

Denver-W 22nd in defensive rating

So we've played 3 top 10 defenses so far and have come away with a 1-2 record. Here's a list of our upcoming opponents current defensive ratings

New York-23rd in defensive rating

Boston-2nd in defensive rating

New Orleans 28th in defensive rating

Then Portland again

So far Boston will be the only test as far as our offense up against a top 10 defense. After that we will only face 3 top 10 defenses in the next 12 games in the currently 5th ranked Heat, 7th ranked Mavericks and 8th ranked Bulls.

Good to see you back Hots, your brand of cynicism has surprisingly been missed over the past week.

Wow, nice breakdown Craw.