Promise this is the last time I'll mention BK

[NineOhTheRino]

Heard a radio guy comparing GT's Hewitt to BK this morning. The guy basically said that BK took a preemptive approach by quitting before ASG fired him.

WRONG!!

Actually BK quit because he attempted to fire Woody that same season but wasn't backed by ASG. BK decided to walk because he knew his relationship with Woody was fractured beyond repair. Fact is that had BK been successful in firing Woody he would still be the GM.

Not that any of you care but I don't want any misinformation floating around about one of the best GM's in Atlanta sports history.

Edited March 15, 2010 by NineOhTheRino

[exodus]

Heard a radio guy comparing GT's Hewitt to BK this morning. The guy basically said that BK took a preemptive approach by quitting before ASG fired him.

WRONG!!

Actually BK quit because he attempted to fire Woody that same season but wasn't backed by ASG. BK decided to walk because he knew his relationship with Woody was fractured beyond repair. Fact is that had BK been successful in firing Woody he would still be the GM.

Not that any of you care but I don't want any misinformation floating around about one of the best GM's in Atlanta sports history.

Nobody cares about why BK is gone. We are just glad that clown is gone. Too bad he didn't leave sooner.

[buckeye242424]

I could care less about BK...I'm much more pleased the moves Sund has made so early on..I like what we have better. Then again, (digging up the past) BK, pretty much, created the team minus Craws...

Anyway, I've moved past the BK era.

[Guest]

Don't be delusional, there is a reason why BK has never had a winning season.

[MaceCase]

It's common practice for GMs to fire coaches so they can take the blame rather than those actually responsible for assembling the team. The fact the ASG saw right through that essentially meant BK WOULD have been fired by the ASG but he did the ole "you can't fire me, I quit!" song and dance.

Look at Joey D in Detroit with Curry whom he saddled with Iverson now he has Kuester whom he's saddled with the great duo of Ben Gordon and Charlie V. Look at Isiah in New York, built the team, ran through a half dozen coaches, all unsuccessful only for the owners to finally say "see what you can do with the mess you created."

BK didn't take some staunch stand against injustice, he left because he saw the writing on the wall and wanted to maintain some of that lofty pride of his.

[DJlaysitup]

Don't be delusional, there is a reason why BK has never had a winning season.

yep...and there is a reason doesn't have a job in the NBA.

[BusBoyIsBack]

Billy Knight built a top 8 team in the NBA from the ground up. For that he deserves credit. Sure he deserves blame because that top 8 could have been top 3-5 easily, but people need to at least concede what he's done with this team. That even with that blunder still has a chance to be top 3-5 down the road especially considering that some of the teams ahead of them now are not as young.

Some say, well with all those high picks of course we should be top 8. Well tell that to the Clippers, Bulls, Wolves, etc.

He did something right if he put together the entire starting lineup for this team..

Some say but we lucked our way into Al Horford.

And the Cavs didn't have to win the lottery to get Lebron? The Magic didn't need fortune to land Howard, the spurs to land Duncan, the Bulls to land Jordan? The list goes on

Edited March 17, 2010 by BusBoyIsBack

[exodus]

Billy Knight built a top 8 team in the NBA from the ground up. For that he deserves credit. Sure he deserves blame because that top 8 could have been top 3-5 easily, but people need to at least concede what he's done with this team. That even with that blunder still has a chance to be top 3-5 down the road especially considering that some of the teams ahead of them now are not as young.

Some say, well with all those high picks of course we should be top 8. Well tell that to the Clippers, Bulls, Wolves, etc.

He did something right if he put together the entire starting lineup for this team..

Some say but we lucked our way into Al Horford.

And the Cavs didn't have to win the lottery to get Lebron? The Magic didn't need fortune to land Howard, the spurs to land Duncan, the Bulls to land Jordan? The list goes on

Poor reasoning. Those teams didn't blow high pick after high pick. They also wouldn't have lost their pick altogether if they didn't land in the lottery.

The Hawks had top 6 picks in 04, 05 and 06. If they didn't win the lottery in 07 they would have lost the pick altogether.

[BusBoyIsBack]

Poor reasoning. Those teams didn't blow high pick after high pick. They also wouldn't have lost their pick altogether if they didn't land in the lottery.

The Hawks had top 6 picks in 04, 05 and 06. If they didn't win the lottery in 07 they would have lost the pick altogether.

Those teams also had consensus no brainer picks. If you're going to pretend that Chris Paul was as big of a lock on draft day as Lebron James, Tim Duncan, etc, you're not being honest with yourself.

And why ignore the other franchises that have had plethora of top picks who also didn't get it done? Where is the excuse for the Twolves, Clippers, Bulls, etc?

Furthermore arguably the best player on this team had to be acquired through a wheeling and dealing maneuver and was far from a no brainer as he was labeled "most likely to be a bust"

Edited March 17, 2010 by BusBoyIsBack

[exodus]

Those teams also had consensus no brainer picks. If you're going to pretend that Chris Paul was as big of a lock on draft day as Lebron James, Tim Duncan, etc, you're not being honest with yourself.

And why ignore the other franchises that have had plethora of top picks who also didn't get it done? Where is the excuse for the Twolves, Clippers, Bulls, etc?

I am not ignoring their GMs at all. They sucked just like BK sucked.

Furthermore arguably the best player on this team had to be acquired through a wheeling and dealing maneuver and was far from a no brainer as he was labeled "most likely to be a bust"

Wheeling and dealing? Giving away a quality veteran for a mid-first can hardly be considered wheeling and dealing. Smith was a project that happened to work out. He was projected as a top 10 pick not long before the draft. His stock fell due to poor reviews of his workouts luckily he fell all the way to 17.

[Swatguy]

Billy Knight built a top 8 team in the NBA from the ground up. For that he deserves credit. Sure he deserves blame because that top 8 could have been top 3-5 easily, but people need to at least concede what he's done with this team. That even with that blunder still has a chance to be top 3-5 down the road especially considering that some of the teams ahead of them now are not as young.

Some say, well with all those high picks of course we should be top 8. Well tell that to the Clippers, Bulls, Wolves, etc.

He did something right if he put together the entire starting lineup for this team..

Some say but we lucked our way into Al Horford.

And the Cavs didn't have to win the lottery to get Lebron? The Magic didn't need fortune to land Howard, the spurs to land Duncan, the Bulls to land Jordan? The list goes on

If some had their way we would hae a broke down Paul and a Broke down Roy.

[exodus]

If some had their way we would hae a broke down Paul and a Broke down Roy.

Both of whom are better than any player on our roster.

[BusBoyIsBack]

I am not ignoring their GMs at all. They sucked just like BK sucked.

Wheeling and dealing? Giving away a quality veteran for a mid-first can hardly be considered wheeling and dealing. Smith was a project that happened to work out. He was projected as a top 10 pick not long before the draft. His stock fell due to poor reviews of his workouts luckily he fell all the way to 17.

We had to make a deal to land that quality big man in the 1st place. And the point is BK shouldn't be put in the same category as those other teams that are still lottery fodder right now. The Hawks with BK's starting lineup are once again a top 8 team in the league. And honestly like 1/2 game out of top 5

So if a GM that bad can put together a team that good, what does that say about the rest of the GMS in the league? He'd still be above average by comparison

If some had their way we would hae a broke down Paul and a Broke down Roy.

Im starting to think if some had their way they would trade our roster for the Hornets or Blazers, never mind the fact that we are better than both of those teams right now.

Edited March 17, 2010 by BusBoyIsBack

[exodus]

We had to make a deal to land that quality big man in the 1st place. And the point is BK shouldn't be put in the same category as those other teams that are still lottery fodder right now. The Hawks with BK's starting lineup are once again a top 8 team in the league. And honestly like 1/2 game out of top 5

So if a GM that bad can put together a team that good, what does that say about the rest of the GMS in the league? He'd still be above average by comparison

yes he should be. Those other teams had a couple of good years too. This team has yet to win a 2nd round playoff game. Chicago won 2 of them back in 06/07. Minny made the WCF. When did the Hawks do that?

Im starting to think if some had their way they would trade our roster for the Hornets or Blazers, never mind the fact that we are better than both of those teams right now.

The Hornets have won more second round playoff games than the Hawks. You act like the Hawks are some kind of dynasty.

[Guest]

Billy Knight built a top 8 team in the NBA from the ground up

He has only been a top 8 team in his own conference once. Are you forgetting that we never had a winning season under BK? Same goes for the Grizz under BK. I like how you point to other crappy GMs and say BK did better than them, which proves absolutely nothing. Just because BK may have done better than Isaiah Thomas doesn't imply that BK was a good GM. Both were crappy.

You are also giving credit to BK when it should go to Sund. Fact is we don't know what BK would have done two offseasons ago. For all we know he could have resigned Childress, traded Smoove, and signed Posey. We just don't know, yet you are implying that whatever Sund has done, BK would have done equal or greater.

[Guest]

If some had their way we would hae a broke down Paul and a Broke down Roy.

Good point, having an injured Roy would have been devastating to our team. I'm glad BK played it safe and went with the sure thing in Shelden Williams and for good measure signed Speedy Claxton. We sure missed the injury bug with that one!

[Atlantaholic]

Good point, having an injured Roy would have been devastating to our team. I'm glad BK played it safe and went with the sure thing in Shelden Williams and for good measure signed Speedy Claxton. We sure missed the injury bug with that one!

That was the most laughable post ever. If we had picked Roy BK may still be employed... The implication that any person on planet earth would pick Williams over Roy today is insane.

[BusBoyIsBack]

yes he should be. Those other teams had a couple of good years too. This team has yet to win a 2nd round playoff game. Chicago won 2 of them back in 06/07. Minny made the WCF. When did the Hawks do that?

The Hornets have won more second round playoff games than the Hawks. You act like the Hawks are some kind of dynasty.

No you act like passing on those guys is like passing on MJ and that THEY have had the dynasty. And Minny had Garnett come on. What have they done since? Exactly. And Chicago's success is far more short lived than ours projects to be.

He has only been a top 8 team in his own conference once. Are you forgetting that we never had a winning season under BK? Same goes for the Grizz under BK. I like how you point to other crappy GMs and say BK did better than them, which proves absolutely nothing. Just because BK may have done better than Isaiah Thomas doesn't imply that BK was a good GM. Both were crappy.

You are also giving credit to BK when it should go to Sund. Fact is we don't know what BK would have done two offseasons ago. For all we know he could have resigned Childress, traded Smoove, and signed Posey. We just don't know, yet you are implying that whatever Sund has done, BK would have done equal or greater.

Are you kidding? You're giving Sund credit for the team that had a winning record last year which was the exact team BK built even including the bench?

It's amazing how many people don't want to give him any credit whatsoever even on that level.

Edited March 18, 2010 by BusBoyIsBack

[Joker]

That was the most laughable post ever. If we had picked Roy BK may still be employed... The implication that any person on planet earth would pick Williams over Roy today is insane.

Last I checked, BK was offered an extension and turned it down. He was also offered by other teams and said no. Maybe he just wanted out and to get a rest. This is a stressful job, sometimes we forget that.

[exodus]

No you act like passing on those guys is like passing on MJ and that THEY have had the dynasty. And Minny had Garnett come on. What have they done since? Exactly. And Chicago's success is far more short lived than ours projects to be.

Chicago was projected to have a lot more success than they actually did.

If JJ leaves not only does he take his 20/5 with him but the Hawks will still be undersized with a gaping hole at the point. They will be over the cap which limits their ability to fill the holes.