DMCthealltimegreat fans have a problem with Lance Stephenson Supporters

[Diesel]

Lately, many of the supporters for acquiring Lance Stephenson has taken over threads trying to put his name in the mix.  So here's my Question:

 

Why should we pay 10+ Million, when DeMarre can do very similar at 2?

 

Lance Stephenson gets ~ 14, 4, and 7 in a contract year.  Prior to that he was a 9, 3, and 4 guy with 6 less mpg.  The key word here is contract year.  In their contract year, guys raise up the effort.  We see that with Stephenson.  He rebounded more this year than he had previously.  That's not guaranteed to happen.

 

14 points in 35mpg  shooting 35% from three?  You want us to pay 10+ Million dollars for a guy who scores 14 points in 35 mpg?

 

The funny thing is that DMC puts up very similar stats as Lance... (Per 36 and Advanced)

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Rk             Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P 2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     DeMarre Carroll 2013-14  27 73 73 2341 4.6  9.9 .470 1.5 4.1 .362 3.2 5.8 .548 1.7 2.2 .773 1.6 4.6 6.2 2.1 1.7 0.3 1.2 2.9 12.5
2    Lance Stephenson 2013-14  23 78 78 2752 5.6 11.4 .491 1.1 3.2 .352 4.5 8.2 .545 1.8 2.6 .711 1.2 6.1 7.3 4.7 0.7 0.1 2.7 2.6 14.1
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Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% FTr 3PAr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 DeMarre Carroll 2013-14 27 73 2341 13.9 .575 .546 .220 .417 5.3 14.5 10.0 8.9 2.3 0.7 10.1 15.2 113 106 3.2 2.6 5.8 .119
2 Lance Stephenson 2013-14 23 78 2752 14.7 .564 .540 .226 .280 4.1 18.1 11.4 22.1 1.0 0.2 18.0 19.4 106 101 2.6 4.8 7.4 .130
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Why should we pay 10+ Million, when DeMarre can do very similar at 2?

[Afro]

Kinda hard to compare Stephenson to a guy in our system, because Carroll averaged 2 percentage points better in 3pt% and fg% than his career numbers.

It's also hard to compare a really young guy to a veteran. There's a good chance Lance improves quite a bit in the next 4 years.

[DeacKillsaDevil]

Just say no to mental midgets (Stephenson)

[DrReality]

Don't think he's even a consideration for Ferry? 

[Spurs]

Lance is a scrub. 

[capstone21]

Lately, many of the supporters for acquiring Lance Stephenson has taken over threads trying to put his name in the mix.  So here's my Question:

 

Why should we pay 10+ Million, when DeMarre can do very similar at 2?

 

Lance Stephenson gets ~ 14, 4, and 7 in a contract year.  Prior to that he was a 9, 3, and 4 guy with 6 less mpg.  The key word here is contract year.  In their contract year, guys raise up the effort.  We see that with Stephenson.  He rebounded more this year than he had previously.  That's not guaranteed to happen.

 

14 points in 35mpg  shooting 35% from three?  You want us to pay 10+ Million dollars for a guy who scores 14 points in 35 mpg?

 

The funny thing is that DMC puts up very similar stats as Lance... (Per 36 and Advanced)

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Rk             Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P 2PA  2P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     DeMarre Carroll 2013-14  27 73 73 2341 4.6  9.9 .470 1.5 4.1 .362 3.2 5.8 .548 1.7 2.2 .773 1.6 4.6 6.2 2.1 1.7 0.3 1.2 2.9 12.5
2    Lance Stephenson 2013-14  23 78 78 2752 5.6 11.4 .491 1.1 3.2 .352 4.5 8.2 .545 1.8 2.6 .711 1.2 6.1 7.3 4.7 0.7 0.1 2.7 2.6 14.1
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Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% FTr 3PAr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 DeMarre Carroll 2013-14 27 73 2341 13.9 .575 .546 .220 .417 5.3 14.5 10.0 8.9 2.3 0.7 10.1 15.2 113 106 3.2 2.6 5.8 .119
2 Lance Stephenson 2013-14 23 78 2752 14.7 .564 .540 .226 .280 4.1 18.1 11.4 22.1 1.0 0.2 18.0 19.4 106 101 2.6 4.8 7.4 .130
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Why should we pay 10+ Million, when DeMarre can do very similar at 2?

I am not being a Lance fan but their games are NOTHING alike...comparing stats doesn't mean you are getting the same player.

[Diesel]

Kinda hard to compare Stephenson to a guy in our system, because Carroll averaged 2 percentage points better in 3pt% and fg% than his career numbers.

It's also hard to compare a really young guy to a veteran. There's a good chance Lance improves quite a bit in the next 4 years.

 

 

The question is though... would you give 10 Million dollars to a guy who is only 1 year away from putting up 9, 3, and 4 while playing 29 mpg??

 

Understand, when we signed Joe Johnson, Johnson had built his house over time with the Suns.

 

When we signed Millsap (to less than 10 Million) Millsap was a 14/8 guy who had built up his stats over the years.

When we signed DMC to a  4 Million dollar deal, he was not great but he had potential

 

my point is that guys with potential who haven't proven themselves don't get Big money contracts. What about Stephenson (other than his antics) makes him worth 10+ million dollars?

[Diesel]

I am not being a Lance fan but their games are NOTHING alike...comparing stats doesn't mean you are getting the same player.

 

 I agree that their games are not alike.. but at some point PRODUCTION means something.

 

Lance is not producing on what I would call a 10+ Million dollar level.  DMC's production goes to show that.

[Admin]

All I got out of this topic was this goofy ass nickname given to a player making 2.5 million. D I swear sometimes you come up with these nicknames just to annoy me! 

[Afro]

The question is though... would you give 10 Million dollars to a guy who is only 1 year away from putting up 9, 3, and 4 while playing 29 mpg??

Understand, when we signed Joe Johnson, Johnson had built his house over time with the Suns.

When we signed Millsap (to less than 10 Million) Millsap was a 14/8 guy who had built up his stats over the years.

When we signed DMC to a 4 Million dollar deal, he was not great but he had potential

my point is that guys with potential who haven't proven themselves don't get Big money contracts. What about Stephenson (other than his antics) makes him worth 10+ million dollars?

1. I can't compare his contract to players that have signed in the past. Contracts are a little whacky this year. I think Stephenson in his prime is worth 2 million more a year than Frye. I'll say that much.

2. Your point is Stephenson is the same as DMC as 23. My point is, then imagine what he'd be like at 27. Youre paying for him to get better. It's a risk. But 10 million in this market is not absurd, and like you said yourself, Hawks need to take more chances unless they wanna remain first or second round exits.

Let's say in 2 years Lance gives you 16 or 17ppg,4assts,and6rbg along with stellar defense. You telling me that aint worth 10 million? And that it won't put us in a good position to win.

[Afro]

I agree that their games are not alike.. but at some point PRODUCTION means something.

Lance is not producing on what I would call a 10+ Million dollar level. DMC's production goes to show that.

DMCs production isn't in line with a 2 million dollar player either.

[capstone21]

 I agree that their games are not alike.. but at some point PRODUCTION means something.

 

Lance is not producing on what I would call a 10+ Million dollar level.  DMC's production goes to show that.

Its more then just stats...Lance is a playmaker, he handles the ball and does a lot of things DMC does not on offense.  They are both good defenders.

[Admin]

DMC could never in his life get a triple double, he's just not that kind of player. Lance did it what 5 times last year? I love DMC and thrilled he's on our team but he's not in the same league as Lance as a player.

[High5]

Stephenson is only 23 and last year was his second season getting minutes. His improvement is much more likely a natural progression than a contract year situation. He's already an elite rebounder for a guard (which we need) and he has room to grow everywhere else. If you want to compare him to DMC, Lance is better at creating offense (which we need) and he hit his 3's at a similar clip without playing in our magical system. Just because we got a sweet deal with DMC doesn't mean we should only shop in the bargain bin. Giving Lance $9 or $10 million could be a good value as early as next season. It's tremendous value compared to Hayward and Parsons.

[Afro]

If we're going stats who would be surprised if Lance averaged 17,4,and 6 over the span of his next contract? Depending on where he goes of course and his usage, but I wouldn't be.

[Wretch]

I bust the most rhymes...in New York State.

 

(That's all I wanted to add to this thread, carry on).

[macdaddy]

DMC could never in his life get a triple double, he's just not that kind of player. Lance did it what 5 times last year? I love DMC and thrilled he's on our team but he's not in the same league as Lance as a player.

 

Five triple doubles.  That is correct sir.  I looked it up.   Led the league.   I'm actually not a fan of Stephenson but i do find it funny that Diesel has disparaged #1 and #2  in triple doubles for the season in a single day.  Stephenson and Noah.   

[ag82]

One thing lance can do is take over a game offensively. DMC cannot do that.

[Diesel]

Five triple doubles.  That is correct sir.  I looked it up.   Led the league.   I'm actually not a fan of Stephenson but i do find it funny that Diesel has disparaged #1 and #2  in triple doubles for the season in a single day.  Stephenson and Noah.   

 

 

And I did it without mentioning that Stephenson is a nutcase and that Noah is soft!

 

At the end of the day, it goes against everything that Ferry has preached if we bring in a guy who may have 1 years worth of good stats but is a true to God nutcase/lockerroom problem.  I am all for bringing in next level talent, but I'm not for making a move just because we have a little coin.  That's what this feels like.

[RWF]

Lance is a scrub. 

 

As a player? Then 80% of the league would love to be scrubs.