3-Guard Attack

[Admin]

Shawne Williams? eh...

 

The one thing that helps a Korver is that the league lacks top notch SG's at the moment.

 

Guys like Al, Tmac, Carter and Kobe would eat Korver alive in their primes.

 

Williams has been very good this year. He's lighting it up from 3 making 2 per game at 49%. 

 

Yes, Hall of Fame or borderline Hall of Fame players would eat Korver alive. As they would every other SG in the league... 

[IheartVolt]

What's with you wanting to move Korver to the bench so badly? Do you not realize how much space he creates for every one else? Korver is best suited with the starting unit where he opens the floor for every one else and he is grouped with playmakers who can create shots for him.

What's with you thinking that what Korver brings cannot be sufficient in a sixth man type of role? If you bring in Kyle as the focal point in the 2nd unit he would get even more open looks.

Let me be clear here for a second. This is not in any way a knock on Korver. Hell I love the guy in Atlanta , but you cannot keep a talent such as Dennis on the 2nd unit because of Korver loyalty. You cannot sit Teague and DMC is valued on defense. You have to run your best options in the starting 5 and Korver would get plenty of minutes spelling the 2 as well as the 3.

It so clear I am surprised more of you do not see it!

[Admin]

What's with you thinking that what Korver brings cannot be sufficient in a sixth man type of role? If you bring in Kyle as the focal point in the 2nd unit he would get even more open looks.

Let me be clear here for a second. This is not in any way a knock on Korver. Hell I love the guy in Atlanta , but you cannot keep a talent such as Dennis on the 2nd unit because of Korver loyalty. You cannot sit Teague and DMC is valued on defense. You have to run your best options in the starting 5 and Korver would get plenty of minutes spelling the 2 as well as the 3.

It so clear I am surprised more of you do not see it!

 

What's with you wanting to move BY FAR our biggest difference maker on the team to the bench? The guy who opens up the floor for our starters and creates space for our PGs to operate? 

 

And you do realize that we can play Schröder plenty of minutes at PG while getting Teague his minutes at PG and having Teague playing off the ball at SG a little, right?  

 

And you do realize that going from a 6'7" SG with a size advantage over most SGs to a shrimp at the position isn't a good thing, right?

 

Teams would simply isolate their SGs on whichever shrimp we put in at SG and allow them to back said shrimp down in the paint. 

[Plainview1981]

Williams has been very good this year. He's lighting it up from 3 making 2 per game at 49%. 

 

Yes, Hall of Fame or borderline Hall of Fame players would eat Korver alive. As they would every other SG in the league... 

 

Almost nobody wants Kyle Korver guarding really good offensive players. There is a reason that Kyle has spent most of his career coming off the bench. The Hawks can't hang with the big boys because they start guys like Korver and Carroll at the same time. We're a month into the season and the Wizards are the best team the Hawks have beaten. They have lost against SA, Toronto and Cleveland... And Cleveland is not as good as they will be later.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Hotlanta1981

[Admin]

Almost nobody wants Kyle Korver guarding really good offensive players. There is a reason that Kyle has spent most of his career coming off the bench. The Hawks can't hang with the big boys because they start guys like Korver and Carroll at the same time.

 

Almost nobody wants to guard Kyle Korver because he destroys them and makes them work every minute they're on the floor. 

 

I don't understand what's difficult to understand about Korver being +23 in points per 100 possessions. That's nearly 3 times better than anyone on our team. 

[JETSET]

What's with you thinking that what Korver brings cannot be sufficient in a sixth man type of role? If you bring in Kyle as the focal point in the 2nd unit he would get even more open looks.

Let me be clear here for a second. This is not in any way a knock on Korver. Hell I love the guy in Atlanta , but you cannot keep a talent such as Dennis on the 2nd unit because of Korver loyalty. You cannot sit Teague and DMC is valued on defense. You have to run your best options in the starting 5 and Korver would get plenty of minutes spelling the 2 as well as the 3.

It so clear I am surprised more of you do not see it!

How exactly will Kyle get more open looks when he relies on others to create looks for him and our starting unit is far better at playmaking than our second unit?

[TheFuzz]

Almost nobody wants Kyle Korver guarding really good offensive players. There is a reason that Kyle has spent most of his career coming off the bench. The Hawks can't hang with the big boys because they start guys like Korver and Carroll at the same time. We're a month into the season and the Wizards are the best team the Hawks have beaten. They have lost against SA, Toronto and Cleveland... And Cleveland is not as good as they will be later.

 

I sort of hear you, but I really think Carroll is the guy we should upgrade. Hell, I think Korver is right there with the dude defensively and he's light years ahead offensively.

[Plainview1981]

Almost nobody wants to guard Kyle Korver because he destroys them and makes them work every minute they're on the floor. 

 

I don't understand what's difficult to understand about Korver being +23 in points per 100 possessions. That's nearly 3 times better than anyone on our team. 

 

Korver is left open fairly often. Most teams aren't going to gameplan to shut Korver down. For all of his shooting abilities... He is a 12 PPG scorer. That does not strike fear in the hearts of the other team.

 

Like I said, perhaps it is Carroll that is more expendable. I don't think he is that great with the exceptions of certain matchups. He defends some guys well and other guys not as well.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Hotlanta1981

[Guest]

Korver is left open fairly often. Most teams aren't going to gameplan to shut Korver down. For all of his shooting abilities... He is a 12 PPG scorer. That does not strike fear in the hearts of the other team.

Like I said, perhaps it is Carroll that is more expendable. I don't think he is that great with the exceptions of certain matchups. He defends some guys well and other guys not as well.

You are so wrong it's not even funny - I posted several articles on Korver during the offseason about how teams do game plan for him.

[Admin]

I sort of hear you, but I really think Carroll is the guy we should upgrade. Hell, I think Korver is right there with the dude defensively and he's light years ahead offensively.

 

Korver is actually 3rd worst on the team defensively. He had a nice start to the year but he's really come down and is actually only 1 point per 100 possessions better than Scott and Antić, our 2 worst defenders. BUT DMC is only a single point ahead of him, so that's not all that impressive for the guy who's supposed to be our defensive stopper. 

[Plainview1981]

You are so wrong it's not even funny - I posted several articles on Korver during the offseason about how teams do game plan for him.

 

So, you think teams come in with the mindset that Korver needs to be shutdown? Priority number one?

 

I doubt it.

[willthepureshooter]

I'm just pointing out that nobody fears Korver as a defender. The fact that he has been a backup everywhere else despite his shooting suggests that coaches feel the same way about him.

Hawk fans are probably about the only ones that consider him to be a good defender.

He was a backup his earlier years in the league because none of his past coaches challenged him to become a more complete player. Kyle was always known as a shooting specialist on a really good team. Just look at his career in Philadelphia and Chicago. He was treated as a bona fide role player. Even Iverson saw his potential offensively (shooters shoot), but no one needed him to play defense.

Now as a Hawk, coach Budenholzers making Kyle expand his game and contribute more than he's ever had to. And I think Kyle likes his new starting role. Think about how much his legs have been preserved over the years. Kyle's moving around defensively like a rookie. And coaches around the league are probably shaking their heads because they never saw the defensive potential. Remember, this is the NBA and these players are pretty damn good. There's an article about the Scalabrine Challenge when he flame roasted a bunch of college guys and park ball players. I'm enjoying this new Kyle. The guy is becoming a complete player before our eyes. A good story of untapped potential.

[Admin]

Korver is left open fairly often. Most teams aren't going to gameplan to shut Korver down. For all of his shooting abilities... He is a 12 PPG scorer. That does not strike fear in the hearts of the other team.

 

Like I said, perhaps it is Carroll that is more expendable. I don't think he is that great with the exceptions of certain matchups. He defends some guys well and other guys not as well.

 

Say what now? That's one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Smoove was "left open". Kyle gets open. There's a HUGE difference. 

[Admin]

So, you think teams come in with the mindset that Korver needs to be shutdown? Priority number one?

 

I doubt it.

 

That's exactly what teams have been game planning to do ever since the Cavs did it. I truly wonder if you're watching the games this year if you can question that fact.

[Guest]

Korver is actually 3rd worst on the team defensively. He had a nice start to the year but he's really come down and is actually only 1 point per 100 possessions better than Scott and Antić, our 2 worst defenders. BUT DMC is only a single point ahead of him, so that's not all that impressive for the guy who's supposed to be our defensive stopper.

Analytics are taking away our boy Dolfan..@JayBirdHawk...:-( What have you done with our boy @Dolfan23 analytics? We don't want him turning into a machine, he's a man, not a machine....give him his "feel" for the game back. Pleaaaaseeee?....pleeeeeaseeeeee

[Plainview1981]

He was a backup his earlier years in the league because none of his past coaches challenged him to become a more complete player. Kyle was always known as a shooting specialist on a really good team. Just look at his career in Philadelphia and Chicago. He was treated as a bona fide role player. Even Iverson saw his potential offensively (shooters shoot), but no one needed him to play defense.

Now as a Hawk, coach Budenholzers making Kyle expand his game and contribute more than he's ever had to. And I think Kyle likes his new starting role. Think about how much his legs have been preserved over the years. Kyle's moving around defensively like a rookie. And coaches around the league are probably shaking their heads because they never saw the defensive potential. Remember, this is the NBA and these players are pretty damn good. There's an article about the Scalabrine Challenge when he flame roasted a bunch of college guys and park ball players. I'm enjoying this new Kyle. The guy is becoming a complete player before our eyes. A good story of untapped potential.

 

Korver is more acceptable as a starter because the league lacks talent at his position. It's the same reason that some consider Horford to be acceptable as a center. You wouldn't want Al as a center going against prime time players like like David Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing and Brad Daugherty.

 

We have guys like Korver and Sap who make some good defensive plays... But the team is a poor defensive team overall. Like I said, Carroll is probably the most expendable player that is in the starting lineup. But lets not pretend that Korver is some kind of a shut down defender or something.

Edited December 4, 2014 by Hotlanta1981

[willthepureshooter]

That's exactly what teams have been game planning to do ever since the Cavs did it. I truly wonder if you're watching the games this year if you can question that fact.

You're not the only one.. if a coach refuses to game plan for a player that's shooting 53% from the field and 57% from the 3pt strike, then they need to resign and stop coaching. Hotlanta, you are by far one of the worst armchair coaches I've ever seen. At some point you have to admit when you're wrong. Smh

[Plainview1981]

That's exactly what teams have been game planning to do ever since the Cavs did it. I truly wonder if you're watching the games this year if you can question that fact.

 

I watched the game last night, but I haven't watched as much of the games since the Cleveland game overall.

[Admin]

Korver is more acceptable as a starter because the league lacks talent at his position. It's the same reason that some consider Horford to be acceptable as a center. You wouldn't want Al as a center going against prime time players like like David Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing and Brad Daugherty.

 

We have guys like Korver and Sap who make some good defensive plays... But the team is a poor defensive team overall. Like I said, Carroll is probably the most expendable player that is in the starting line up. But lets not pretend that Korver is some kind of a shut down defender or something.

 

Korver isn't a shut down defender. But he's easily our most dangerous offensive weapon. How many times has he completely changed the momentum of a game with timely 3 pointers? I can't even recall them there's been so many. He's pretty much our home run hitter and every team needs one of those.

[Plainview1981]

You're not the only one.. if a coach refuses to game plan for a player that's shooting 53% from the field and 57% from the 3pt strike, then they need to resign and stop coaching. Hotlanta, you are by far one of the worst armchair coaches I've ever seen. At some point you have to admit when you're wrong. Smh

He is only a 12 PPG scorer despite his high shooting percentages.