BigDog90 Posted May 27, 2015 Report Share Posted May 27, 2015 Like Carroll, Bazemore didn't play much on his previous teams but was known for his defense. Both players weren't the greatest shooters. However, when they joined the Hawks they played more than they did before and improved their jump shots. With Korver out for injury for the next couple of months and training camp and preseason in coming months, could Bazemore like Carroll make that leap over the summer to solidify himself as a starter going into contract year? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimaskway23 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Seeing bazemore get bullied by bron hurt my soul. He shows flashes, but he should only guard sgs. I still believe he can take another step tho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSET Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Seeing bazemore get bullied by bron hurt my soul. He shows flashes, but he should only guard sgs. I still believe he can take another step tho Lebron is basically a PF. Baze can guard pgs and sgs and some sfs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomFan Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 I don't know if he can make as big of a jump as DMC did because what he did is almost unheard of. But yes I'm very excited to see what Baze can do after an offseason working with our staff. Remember that he didn't really get a chance to improve under our coaches after he signed last year because he was still recovering from surgery until right before the season started. I think we're going to see a huge improvement in his game, especially his jump shot. Similarly, we're going to see another big jump in Schröder's game after getting some game experience this year, and another offseason to tweak things with our coaches. Also we've got to keep in mind that DMC has far exceeded expectations, even from our coaches. He was originally brought here as a low cost SF backup, that ended up having to start for us in 2013. Even after that solid season, our front office tried to upgrade the SF position by moving him back to a backup role and bringing in Luol Deng to start. Luckily for us that didn't end up happening and we picked up Thabo instead, who I think we all would agree is a great backup SF that we sorely missed when he was out injured. But then I have to remember to temper expectations somewhat. This staff is amazing at developing talent, but even they aren't miracle workers. Just look at Mike Scott. Then again, who knows if he even would have made an NBA roster if not for how much they developed him in the first place. He's seriously lacking in talent; one thing we can say definitely isn't the case with Bazemore who might be our most physically gifted individual on the roster. BTW for anyone to criticize a 200lbs Bazemore for not being able to defend a 250+lbs Lebron, that's absolutely laughable. The fact he was even able to do it a little bit should serve as a testament to his athletic ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakin Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 There's something sloppy about Bazemore's game when he's not right around the basket. I don't like guards that make me nervous when they dribble. I hope he puts it together like DMC has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLHawks3 Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) It's a good thing this team is composed with a whole bunch of gym rats. Muscala, Baze, and Dennis are guys that I expect to improve alot this offseason. Edited May 28, 2015 by ATLHawks3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Dude has moxy and hasn't reached his ceiling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Who knows. Maybe if he continues to put the work in. like @RandomFan said Baze didn't have a full training camp. I remember Baze talking about having to re-learn how to run after surgery, said they tore his shot down to build it back up, so having to do that as well as learn the system was tough. Just like DMC improved his shooting and more importantly his handles, hopefully so will Baze. Hopefully he has a Dennis like improvement from year 1 to year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Quiz: Where does a 900 pound gorilla sit? Answer - Any where he wants to! Quiz: What position does LeBron play? Answer - Any position he wants to. With all his other known talents, we were reminded by the announcers in our four games that The King went from one position to another, sometimes playing all five positions, one at a time, in any game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) He has no offensive skill. Like whatsoever none. Lacks talent as well. Not a chance. He has a better chance to reach Mike Scott's level more than DMC. Edited May 28, 2015 by nbasupes40retired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomFan Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 He has no offensive skill. Like whatsoever none. Lacks talent as well. Not a chance. He has a better chance to reach Mike Scott's level more than DMC. Most ridiculous thing I'll see posted today. Like every single sentence was 100% wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 He has no offensive skill. Like whatsoever none. Lacks talent as well. Not a chance. He has a better chance to reach Mike Scott's level more than DMC. 1/4 Star post. Lol. Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 28, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Guys overrate how big of a jump DMC made. The biggest reason his numbers increased were increased minutes rather than a revelation in skill. The one area where he did significantly improve was his shooting: 2012-13 UTA 12.7 PP36 2013-14 ATL 12.5 PP36 2014-15 ATL 14.5 PP36 2012-13 UTA 6.1 RP36 2013-14 ATL 6.2 RP36 2014-15 ATL 6.1 RP36 2012-13 UTA 2.0 AP36 2013-14 ATL 2.1 AP36 2014-15 ATL 1.9 AP36 2012-13 UTA 1.9 SP36 2013-14 ATL 1.7 SP36 2014-15 ATL 1.5 SP36 2012-13 UTA 0.8 BP36 2013-14 ATL 0.3 BP36 2014-15 ATL 0.3 BP36 The only area of significant improvement: 2012-13 UTA .535 TS% 2013-14 ATL .575 TS% 2014-15 ATL .603 TS% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 (edited) Guys overrate how big of a jump DMC made. The biggest reason his numbers increased were increased minutes rather than a revelation in skill. The one area where he did significantly improve was his shooting: 2012-13 UTA 12.7 PP36 2013-14 ATL 12.5 PP36 2014-15 ATL 14.5 PP36 2012-13 UTA 6.1 RP36 2013-14 ATL 6.2 RP36 2014-15 ATL 6.1 RP36 2012-13 UTA 2.0 AP36 2013-14 ATL 2.1 AP36 2014-15 ATL 1.9 AP36 2012-13 UTA 1.9 SP36 2013-14 ATL 1.7 SP36 2014-15 ATL 1.5 SP36 2012-13 UTA 0.8 BP36 2013-14 ATL 0.3 BP36 2014-15 ATL 0.3 BP36 The only area of significant improvement: 2012-13 UTA .535 TS% 2013-14 ATL .575 TS% 2014-15 ATL .603 TS% Also he was a 1st round pick. Guys think you can take any scrub and made him a star. Carroll's ORtg as always been in the 100's except for his rookie yr which was close. Tony Allen has a better chance at being a good offensive player. Edited May 28, 2015 by nbasupes40retired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Most ridiculous thing I'll see posted today. Like every single sentence was 100% wrong. You and Jaybird disappointed me. Both of you guys are wrong on this, it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Guys overrate how big of a jump DMC made. The biggest reason his numbers increased were increased minutes rather than a revelation in skill. The one area where he did significantly improve was his shooting: 2012-13 UTA 12.7 PP36 2013-14 ATL 12.5 PP36 2014-15 ATL 14.5 PP36 2012-13 UTA 6.1 RP36 2013-14 ATL 6.2 RP36 2014-15 ATL 6.1 RP36 2012-13 UTA 2.0 AP36 2013-14 ATL 2.1 AP36 2014-15 ATL 1.9 AP36 2012-13 UTA 1.9 SP36 2013-14 ATL 1.7 SP36 2014-15 ATL 1.5 SP36 2012-13 UTA 0.8 BP36 2013-14 ATL 0.3 BP36 2014-15 ATL 0.3 BP36 The only area of significant improvement: 2012-13 UTA .535 TS% 2013-14 ATL .575 TS% 2014-15 ATL .603 TS% It's more than numbers...he improved in his passing, his action off the ball, he developed a two dribble pull up shot, he was able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket and he developed his handles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBASupes Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 It's more than numbers...he improved in his passing, his action off the ball, he developed a two dribble pull up shot, he was able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket and he developed his handles. Outside of passing, he's still bad at everything you listed. His off the ball movement is completely hit or miss and misses more times than not. I don't even see him being as good on offense as Tony Allen in Bazemore's prime. If Bazemore can be a poor man's Tony Allen, we got more value than was expected even with development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2015 Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 Outside of passing, he's still bad at everything you listed. His off the ball movement is completely hit or miss and misses more times than not. I don't even see him being as good on offense as Tony Allen in Bazemore's prime. If Bazemore can be a poor man's Tony Allen, we got more value than was expected even with development. I'm talking about Carroll, not Bazemore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted May 28, 2015 Moderators Report Share Posted May 28, 2015 It's more than numbers...he improved in his passing, his action off the ball, he developed a two dribble pull up shot, he was able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket and he developed his handles. I know there is more but he hasn't made some huge leap that shows up in the numbers -- except with his shooting. Even the "all-inclusive" numbers are very similar: PER: 15.5, 13.9, 15.9 WS/49: .134, .119, .154 My point is that people confuse some of the revelation of his game through increased minutes for dramatic improvement. This is frequently the case when reviewing "most improved" players in the NBA. There are always guys on there that did the same sort of thing they always did but in a much bigger role and people view that as a huge breakout. Most of what DMC has done he was already doing in Utah. We shouldn't confuse uncovering a gem (which is largely what I think we did) with creating something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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