gsuteke Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 at the expense of starting a flame war on this board I think the question needs to be asked. What exactly has the Joe Johnson sign and trade netted us as fans? the Hawks are 13-26 as of tonight. feel free to add your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: at the expense of starting a flame war on this board I think the question needs to be asked. What exactly has the Joe Johnson sign and trade netted us as fans? the Hawks are 13-26 as of tonight. feel free to add your comments. Most importantly, he allowed us to get rid of Diaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJlaysitup Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well without him I guess we'd have about 4 to 5 wins. Realistically I think he's getting worn out. Tlue's and Speedy's injuries at the same time have been killer.Still, we are so weak at the center position that I don't know if we are ready for prime time even without the injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WraithSentinel Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 A little respect and double the win total. Do you really want this team to go back to looking how they did in the 13 win season? I admit I want to tank the season. I don't want any part of this team looking like that ever again. Thanks to Woodson though that might be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 We have two garbage cans at center. Our starting and backup pgs are hurt. We have several young wings who have talent but are still learning the game. Yet someone wants to criticize a guy averaging 25 ppg, having a career year. He had 29 pts tonight against a good defensive team completely focused on stopping him. But somehow JJ is at fault. http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifhttp://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifhttp://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifhttp://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xhawk Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I probably speak for many when I say that I do not like the tone of this post. Why are so many people focusing on the strongest part of our franchise (JJ) and leaving out the weakest parts (Coaching, PGs, Centers, youth, GM, etc.)? Lets stop bashing the move that brought in our brightest star and let's start focusing on our real problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasPete Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 You know you are right, without JJ this team has about 6-8 wins. After all of this "rebuilding", the numerous lottery picks, several free agent signings...OMG, we are WORSE than that 13-69 team without JJ. We are in BK's 4th year and we are still a laughingstock, really THE laughingstock because Memphis was in the playoffs last year.Somebody please tell me...how do Billy Knight and Woodson STILL have jobs after all of these "moves" that have us 4 years into rebuilding and still at rock bottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: Somebody please tell me...how do Billy Knight and Woodson STILL have jobs after all of these "moves" that have us 4 years into rebuilding and still at rock bottom? That deserves another . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: at the expense of starting a flame war on this board I think the question needs to be asked. What exactly has the Joe Johnson sign and trade netted us as fans? the Hawks are 13-26 as of tonight. feel free to add your comments. I am sorry, but YOU SUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Sothron Posted January 24, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 We're not any better with Joe as we were without him. Different ways to not break thirty wins in a season is just moving chairs around on the deck of the Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: We have two garbage cans at center. Our starting and backup pgs are hurt. We have several young wings who have talent but are still learning the game. Yet someone wants to criticize a guy averaging 25 ppg, having a career year. He had 29 pts tonight against a good defensive team completely focused on stopping him. But somehow JJ is at fault. http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifhttp://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifhttp://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifhttp://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.hawksquawk.net/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif i'm not saying it is Joe's fault we have 13 wins right now. there is a larger picture here. try to act like a sponge. this question isn't just being asked to Ex, it's being asked to everybody. Just what has the Joe Johnson trade netted us? Fact: 13-26 record please feel free to share your opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecc423 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 i agree....13-26...your right, basically not a whole lot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote:i agree....13-26...your right, basically not a whole lot.... Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Man Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: i agree....13-26...your right, basically not a whole lot.... ...yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumpyphish1 Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 To the original post (gsuteke) What stupid post. Are you trying to get philosophical on us? Nothing personal, but I just think this post was a waste of time. We obviously scored with Joe being a really good player. We need some guys around him. You are asking the wrong questions. Way off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exodus Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote:To the original post (gsuteke) What stupid post. Are you trying to get philosophical on us? Nothing personal, but I just think this post was a waste of time. We obviously scored with Joe being a really good player. We need some guys around him. You are asking the wrong questions. Way off base. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 We got ONE very good player. We can't look at the Hawks record and answer this. It has nothing to do with the record, but with one individual player, Joe Johnson. In completing this deal, one owner effectively tied the hands of the rest of the owners to prevent anything else of importance happening. We got that out of the deal too. The Hawks record is due to a combination of things which we are all aware of. 1- G.M. with his hands virtually tied on any deal. 2 - Coach the other owners can't afford to fire because they would end up with 2 salaries - Same with the G.M. 3- Injuries to key players all season. 4- Youngest roster in the N.B.A. So many things that apparently can't be fixed until this ownership deal is settled. Notice that none of the things listed above has ANYTHING to do with our getting J.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuteke Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: Quote: i agree....13-26...your right, basically not a whole lot.... ...yet. so far this is the closest anyone has come to answering the question. I've seen plenty of name calling and a little excuse making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzachary Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Quote: at the expense of starting a flame war on this board I think the question needs to be asked. What exactly has the Joe Johnson sign and trade netted us as fans? the Hawks are 13-26 as of tonight. feel free to add your comments. The "as fans" in your sentence is an odd qualifier. As fans, we have gained: - no longer have to watch Diaw stink it up - chance to watch one of the best *shooting* guards in the NBA - a little hope that we now have a franchise player Obviously, the losses: - we may see our draft picks turn into useful players elsewhere That's really it. I don't think you can look at our record and say "the Joe Johnson trade wrought this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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