Calm Down

[mrhonline]

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I think I'll be right and you'll be wrong.

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If so, you'll be right purely out of coincidence, and not out of any special insight into Sheldon's NBA abilities.

Give it time, and if he is a bust, I'll join you. But at least give the guy a chance.

[djcorley]

That was the thing about his draft. There are no clear cut stars. Most of the guys picked in the top ten will probably be "role" players. This draft had very few "sure things" and I'm happy to say that we got one of them.

[Plainview1981]

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I think I'll be right and you'll be wrong.

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If so, you'll be right purely out of coincidence, and not out of any special insight into Sheldon's NBA abilities.

Give it time, and if he is a bust, I'll join you. But at least give the guy a chance.

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Being a role player doesn't mean I think the guy will suck. I can see maybe 12/8 or 11/9 out of him. But is that top 5 pick worthy?

I'm not saying that being right means that I have some great insight... But all signs that I've seen and read point to him being a role player.

[Final_quest]

I think certain role players should be top 5 picks. They have to be excellent at their role, though.

My point was that the Hawks had a strategy, and stuck with it. They didn't get good value and should have traded down. That was a mistake.

[Buzzard]

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Shhh.

We don't want people using logic around here when knee-jerk whining is much easier.

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You really act like we (those who think the Shelden pick was a total reach) are completely in the dark and do not watch the college game or the pro game. And only you really know what is going on. Should I call you Jedi or Buddha?

I would like to think most of us have a very good clue (at least as much as you) as to who Shelden is, who he played for, and how good he was in college. And if we think, as do most analyst do, that this was a huge reach on BK's part, exactly why are you assuming we are the illogical ones and you are logical.

Its your opinion of Shelden, being a good pick, that is totally against the logic of any reputable draft board or scout that is not on the Hawks payroll.

Think about that when you conclude we are illogical and you are logical. Nothing about picking Shelden was logical, nothing at all...

[mrhonline]

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You really act like we (those who think the Shelden pick was a total reach) are completely in the dark and do not watch the college game or the pro game.

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Watching games does not a talent evaluator make.

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And only you really know what is going on. Should I call you Jedi or Buddha?

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You realize you just convicted yourself, right?

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I would like to think most of us have a very good clue

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You have no clue.

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And if we think, as do most analyst do, that this was a huge reach on BK's part

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The same people said the same thing about Josh Smith. The same people said the same thing about Charlie V. and Channing Frye.

Most people on here simply mimic the mass media. Sometimes the media is right, sometimes they're wrong.

Regardless, fans are just fans.

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Its your opinion of Shelden, being a good pick, that is totally against the logic of any reputable draft board or scout that is not on the Hawks payroll.

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See above.

And I never said Sheldon was going to be a star, simply that I will wait and see how he performs before calling for Knight to be fired.

The difference between those two positions is TREMENDOUS, but apparently indivisible to many people on here.

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Think about that when you conclude we are illogical and you are logical.

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Right back at you.

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Nothing about picking Shelden was logical, nothing at all...

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That's just ridiculous.

[Buzzard]

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Watching games does not a talent evaluator make.

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Works both ways. My opinion is no more illogical than yours.

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You realize you just convicted yourself, right?

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Let me know when I should turn myself in.

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You have no clue.

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Like I said, almighty clued in one. Should I call you Jedi or Buddha?

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And I never said Sheldon was going to be a star, simply that I will wait and see how he performs before calling for Knight to be fired.

The difference between those two positions is TREMENDOUS, but apparently indivisible to many people on here.

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Your wait and see attitude is just better than mine. I have been waiting long enough for a center and a pg. I am just tired of waiting.

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Nothing about picking Shelden was logical, nothing at all...

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That's just ridiculous.

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Not if you are still waiting for a center and a pg...

[Dejay]

If he puts up just 12/8 or 11/9 beyond his rookie season, BK will replace Babs on my old PULL THE TRIGGER AND FIRE....siggy I had a couple of years ago. Those are Alan Henderson numbers before the extension when he started getting hangnails and would miss 3-4 weeks at a time. You don't draft a person that high to get those numbers; that's what lower-tier free agents and 2nd round draft choices are for.

I don't like the pick and have stated my case but I'll give him some time. Just not very much. BK had better have gotten this one right, especially after MW and Childress.

[BusBoyIsBack]

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If he puts up just 12/8 or 11/9 beyond his rookie season, BK will replace Babs on my old PULL THE TRIGGER AND FIRE.

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So scoring points is the only thing that matters anymore? What about defense? The Toronto Raptors were 4th in the league in scoring last year. But they just happened to have the 1st pick in the draft this year. Why? Because I think Kobe Bryant just scored against on the worst defense in the NBA.

You can't have an offensive juggernauts at every position. You need some defensive specialist on the court as well. A great defensive player can change the game without even putting up better points/rebound numbers than Zaza Pachulia. It is often about how many shots you can block/contest/alter. The Hawks just added someone who fills that role.

[Dejay]

Let me see here, 12/8 or 16/12? Hmmm, that's a tough one. Now if I'm drafting 15 and made the playoffs or had a run at it, 12/8 wouldn't be too bad. However, if I am drafting 5th and have won fewer games in the last two seasons COMBINED than the team drafting at 15 this past season, 12/8 simply WILL NOT CUT THE MUSTARD. There, I said it. Defense wins championships but you still cannot win if you cannot score consistently.

There are plenty of Etan Thomasas, Melvin Elys, and Kelvin Catos available to get the numbers you are looking to get from Sheldon Williams and do it without needing a learning curve after July 1. I simply need more from the 5th pick than a role player and I seriously hope that Sheldon Williams becomes much, much more than just simply a role player. This teams needs and deserves as much.

[deester11]

Well, Dejay...I agree with you, but now that we have Shelden we have to listen to people say we're whining..etc, etc. Mr.H, I'm glad you have a lot of posts, but before you criticize fans and members of this board, realize that it's opinion and as such I don't like the pick AT 5. Simply put, if BK had not made the promise, two players were there that we could have used to 'bargain' down even two positions.

I'm hoping he does what he's supposed to do according to the genuises that like the pick. All we can do is revisit this site again a year from now and debate how good or crappy this pick was.

[TROUBLEMAN69]

Where are these Alan Henderson comparisons coming from? Hendu never averaged more than 7 boards in a season. He was a "weak" defender, meaning he did not have the strength to hold position in the post. He tried, which gave the illusion to some that he was a decent defender. Having Mutombo behind him helped as well. I will go on record saying that unless he suffers a career ending injury, Shelden Williams will be a better player than Al Henderson and Antonio Davis.

I wanted Brandon Roy, and I haven't agreed with many of Knight's picks, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. The Hawks need toughness in the paint, and I believe Williams will bring that. I personally do not project him as a starting center, but as a person who will play the 4 besides Zaza with occassional minutes at the 5. Right now I see a team that has a lot of interchangeable positions, except at the 1. Harrington can still be traded for an upgrade at the point, and possibly a pick in next years draft. Give Williams a chance before we pencil him in as the next Keefe, Hendu, Dale Davis, or Koncak.

[Nicholasp27]

isn't shelden similiar to okafor coming out of college, but just an inch shorter?

[mrhonline]

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Mr.H, I'm glad you have a lot of posts, but before you criticize fans and members of this board, realize that it's opinion

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I'm fully aware of that, just as I was the previous two seasons. It happens every year and I'm simply poking fun at the people who always overreact.

Nothing more, nothing less.