Premium Member Diesel Posted November 9, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: The Kobe Bryant Solution: Enter the Atlanta Hawks by Adam Duggan It's time for the Hawks to make themselves relevant again. It's time for the Hawks to trade for Kobe Bryant. Impossible, you say? Not as impossible as you might think. The Hawks have more young talent than any NBA team other than the Bulls, and are desperate to put themselves back on the basketball map. Not to mention that the city of Atlanta needs something to feel good about after the Michael Vick disaster—and something tells me that Thrashers hockey isn't gonna do the trick. It seems like a good match—if the Hawks could ever convince Kobe of that. Admittedly, it's debatable whether acquiring Kobe could really be considered "something to feel good about." Bryant comes with considerable baggage, and based on his track record probably wouldn't even get along with himself...if he didn't think so highly of the man. That said, there's no arguing that the deal makes sense. Kobe wants out of L.A.—and the team he had his heart set on, the Bulls, thought higher of Luol Deng, whom they refused to include in any deal. As it stands, the market for Kobe is shrinking by the day—and though I'm sure Isiah Thomas is at this very moment concocting a scheme to bring Bryant to New York (officially driving every female employee out of the Garden), nothing appears imminent. Mitch Kupchak and Shaq can tell you that nobody wants the headache of an unhappy Kobe. David Stern would probably rather field questions about his most recent trip to Vegas than have to deal with the ongoing soap opera. Enter the Hawks. Atlanta has the right combination of young talent and veterans to make the deal work in terms of both personnel and salary numbers. The Hawks could presumably swing a trade without shortchanging the Lakers—and without gutting their own roster. Kobe would enter Atlanta as the veteran leader of an up-and-coming young team. He'd be free to shape the Hawks in his image, and could lead them back to prominence without sacrificing his personal goals of chucking up 35 shots a night and only passing to his own reflection. A potential deal: Speedy Claxton, Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, Sheldon Williams, and cash to the Lakers for Kobe—with the centerpiece being Marvin Williams, who's averaging 19 points and 5.5 boards in a crowded at Atlanta frontcout. Sheldon Williams would provide the Lakers with a better interior option than Kwame Brown to play alongside Andrew Bynum, and Childress and Claxton are nice role players. All told, a deal like this would give the Lakers young superstars and supporting vets to build around. Make no mistake: The deal wouldn't make the Lakers better—but it's a far better value than any of the possibilities floated so far. A trade for Kobe would vault the Hawks to the upper-echelon of the Eastern Conference with the Celtics, Bulls, and Pistons—especially if they could swing it without giving up Josh Smith or Joe Johnson. Pair those two with Kobe, and the Eastern Conference would have to start worrying about the Hawks again. Now, if Kobe would just consider waving that pesky no-trade clause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted November 9, 2007 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Would you trade: Marvin, SMoove and Filler for Kobe?? Imagine: Acie, Kobe, JJ, Horf, and Zaza!!! I've never thought about Kobe without using JJ to get him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted November 9, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 The problem with having JJ and Kobe on the same team is that they are both the same type of player... I would never do this trade; sure, we would be relevant for the next three - four years if we did, but then we would be back to being cellar dwellers after Kobe retires. And in case people haven't noticed we have sold out our first two home games, and are ranked 13th in the ESPN power ranking and 8th in the Fox power ranking... we don't need Kobe to be relevant; we need to win games, and I think we can do that with the group we have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plainview1981 Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: The problem with having JJ and Kobe on the same team is that they are both the same type of player... I would never do this trade; sure, we would be relevant for the next three - four years if we did, but then we would be back to being cellar dwellers after Kobe retires. The one problem is that the Hawks probably will not be able to keep all of these guys anyway. But that team wouldn't contend for a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Atlantaholic Posted November 9, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I don't know if it's impossible to keep Acie, Marv, Joe, Horf, and Smoove... honestly I don't think Acie will ever become an "elite" pg, and I don't see him asking for much money. (probably less than the contract we gave JT.) Marv, Smoove and Horf will probably command some serious dollar, but with Lorenzen, Speedy, Lue and AJ coming of the books, we may be able to free up enough cap to keep them all. If Marv, Smoove, Acie, AND Horf all merit big deals two-three years from now, then that would mean we have been fielding a legitimate contender anyway... So even if we indeed can't keep them all, I stil like our chances with our current lineup over Kobe's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragitoff Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 This guy's proposal would net us a starting lineup of: Law Kobe JJ Smoove Horford with a bench of: Lue AJ Salim Solo Lo ZaZa West Our depth would be seriously depleted and we'd have to go out and most likely sign some more players since we'd only have 12 under contract. My biggest concern is Kobe can opt out after this season. Would he? Right with that is would/could the Atlanta ownership allow us to go over the cap to extend JSmoove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHayley Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 This whole post is ludicrous. An LA market for the most famous franchise of all time is not gonna take trash (i.e. Shelden and Speedy) for one of the greatest players of all time. Any Kobe deal would have to involve Joe + Marvin/Smoove, Childress, + more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Man Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: This whole post is ludicrous. An LA market for the most famous franchise of all time is not gonna take trash (i.e. Shelden and Speedy) for one of the greatest players of all time. Any Kobe deal would have to involve Joe + Marvin/Smoove, Childress, + more Right on. The revenue factor is often overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasPete Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Let's just stick with what we have and watch it grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swatguy Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: This whole post is ludicrous. An LA market for the most famous franchise of all time is not gonna take trash (i.e. Shelden and Speedy) for one of the greatest players of all time. Speedy is injured...but I could never consider Shelden as trash. That is a terrible choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 9, 2007 Moderators Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 I agree with those who have posted that LA would never do this deal. I would in a heartbeat, though. Getting rid of Speedy would be a positive and landing Kobe for Marvin, Childress and Shelden would be fantastic. It would seriously deplete our depth but I am someone who will trade quantity for quality in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: I agree with those who have posted that LA would never do this deal. I would in a heartbeat, though. Getting rid of Speedy would be a positive and landing Kobe for Marvin, Childress and Shelden would be fantastic. It would seriously deplete our depth but I am someone who will trade quantity for quality in the NBA. With so many high salaried free agents to sign in the near future, we need to start thinking about quality for quantity before we start losing them for peanuts or sign them for untradable contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfwolf Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Agreed. Fantastic deal for the Hawks. LA would never do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesheedera Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: Speedy Claxton, Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, Sheldon Williams, and cash to the Lakers for Kobe Ridiculous trade proposal. Maybe the dumbest one I've ever seen in my life. None of those guys are even automatic starters on every NBA team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: Let's just stick with what we have and watch it grow. ding ding ding, we have a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrywest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: Agreed. Fantastic deal for the Hawks. LA would never do it. We will never give up too much. We'll have to give slightly more than the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Diesel Posted November 9, 2007 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 But would you do: Smoove, Marvin, Shelden, Lo & Lue for Kobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted November 9, 2007 Moderators Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Quote: But would you do: Smoove, Marvin, Shelden, Lo & Lue for Kobe. Law/Lue/AJ/*Speedy JJ/Chill/Salim Marvin/Chill/Smith Smith/Horford/Sheldon Horford/Zaza/Sheldon v. Law/AJ/*Speedy Kobe/Chill/Salim JJ/Chill/Salim Horford/Solomon Zaza/Solomon No. I wouldn't do that deal because of how shallow we would be in the frontcourt. Josh Smith as a SF/PF is much more valuable to this team than SG/SF Childress (especially given that Smoove is significantly better than Chill anyway). The other deal is such a steal for us that I would definitely do it. This one is more fair in terms of talent and would do a lot more to deplete our frontcourt. I would still have to think about the JSmoove deal, though. The starting lineup looks like a bigtime winner in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vol4ever Posted November 9, 2007 Premium Member Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 If I were the Hawks I would not even take Kobe for Speedy. He is a terrible team player and is "it's all about me" attitude. Shaq was right! The Hawks would be ignorant to trade for this idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traceman Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 than Smoove/Marvin filler. I like: Horford Smoove Marvin Kobe Law MUCH better than Zaza Horford JJ Kobe Law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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