Can Rick Sund Dictate.....

[Diesel]

I don't know man. Deng is useful as a replacement for JJ's scoring as is Hinrich. And I say useful not the answers. Neither will replace 25 ppg; but with either the options to move Craw, Marvin, and/or Smoove to stay competitive still exist. I would do it, if either were my forced options rather than losing JJ for nothing.

JJ for nothing is going to crush our rebuilding efforts for the last five years; and put attendance back to the 13 to 20 win season days. If JJ just walks our best bet is to trade away players, get back into the lottery, and try to build around Horf and maybe Teague IMO. In other words back track to four/five years ago; but now we at least have a younger all-star in Horf ( and his bird rights) than we did when we signed JJ....

Deng is signed for about 4 more years at over 10 Million +.

Moreover, Deng without a playmaking PG = ???

I don't trust that.

[Buzzard]

Deng is signed for about 4 more years at over 10 Million +.

Moreover, Deng without a playmaking PG = ???

I don't trust that.

10+ million and younger than JJ by four years. 18 Mill for JJ at 33, may or may not be better value than 10+ mill for Deng at 29. Its not perfect by any stretch but better than nothing IMO.

[Diesel]

10+ million and younger than JJ by four years. 18 Mill for JJ at 33, may or may not be better value than 10+ mill for Deng at 29. Its not perfect by any stretch but better than nothing IMO.

Deng is not in the same class of player as JJ. Not even Close. Deng is about a little better than Marvin. He only looks good when there are no other scorers on the team. He needs a PG to set him up... because he can't create for himself.

No thank you, having Marvin is enough cap space waste for one team.

[Joker]

Deng is not in the same class of player as JJ. Not even Close. Deng is about a little better than Marvin. He only looks good when there are no other scorers on the team. He needs a PG to set him up... because he can't create for himself.

No thank you, having Marvin is enough cap space waste for one team.

I agree, I can't believe fans of ours want Deng contract on this roster. He is not even better than Marvin and is paid a lot more.

[Buzzard]

Deng is not in the same class of player as JJ. Not even Close. Deng is about a little better than Marvin. He only looks good when there are no other scorers on the team. He needs a PG to set him up... because he can't create for himself.

No thank you, having Marvin is enough cap space waste for one team.

I look at in terms of the long run. No one said JJ and Deng are equals; the whole point is getting something back that:

1- is tadeable

2-allows us to trade someone else to fill a hole.

No we will not be as good next season by just replacing JJ with Deng. But we still have a chance to possibly stay at an improving level with just one more move. If we lose JJ for nothing; to get back to some resemblance of a 3rd or 4th seed we will need to make two big moves....

You act like we can just plug in a JJ replacement all-star because we want to. It really does not happen that way. Just getting back as much value as possible is all we can hope for if JJ walks. If we get Lebron as you have suggested, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, Sund gets GM of the year and will be in the running for GM of the decade if such an award exist....

Maybe it will happen but I will not be losing any sleep over it if it does not.

[Sothron]

Deng is absolutely better than Marvin, not even a question. He's a better scorer, rebounder and defender.

The problem I have with Deng is this: he's too fragile. The guy misses tons of games every season. I don't want that especially considering the length left on his deal.

[Joker]

Deng is absolutely better than Marvin, not even a question. He's a better scorer, rebounder and defender.

The problem I have with Deng is this: he's too fragile. The guy misses tons of games every season. I don't want that especially considering the length left on his deal.

For an injury prone player and being a #2 and #3 option even a #1 early on in his career, his per and other numbers do not show a much better player than Marvin. When I watch them, I don't see a much better player especially with his contract, Marvin value>Deng's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html -Marvin

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/denglu01.html -Deng

[Sothron]

For an injury prone player and being a #2 and #3 option even a #1 early on in his career, his per and other numbers do not show a much better player than Marvin. When I watch them, I don't see a much better player especially with his contract, Marvin value>Deng's.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima02.html -Marvin

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/denglu01.html -Deng

Marvin's career average:

11.9 PPG

5.4 RPG

1.4 assist per game

1.3 turnover per game

shooting: .451 FG, .304 three point and .804 FT

Deng's:

15.8 PPG

6.5 RPG

2.2 assist per game

1.7 turnover per game

shooting: /474 FG, .309 three point and .767 FT

As I said before, Deng is a better scorer, shooter, rebounder and defender. He also isn't scared of shooting like Marvin is and Deng actually contributes while he's on the court versus being a forgotten man in the corner like Marvin is. There is no way any nonbiased fan can argue that Marvin is a better player than Deng. The only thing Marvin has on him is that he's healthier.

[Joker]

Marvin's career average:

11.9 PPG

5.4 RPG

1.4 assist per game

1.3 turnover per game

shooting: .451 FG, .304 three point and .804 FT

Deng's:

15.8 PPG

6.5 RPG

2.2 assist per game

1.7 turnover per game

shooting: /474 FG, .309 three point and .767 FT

As I said before, Deng is a better scorer, shooter, rebounder and defender. He also isn't scared of shooting like Marvin is and Deng actually contributes while he's on the court versus being a forgotten man in the corner like Marvin is. There is no way any nonbiased fan can argue that Marvin is a better player than Deng. The only thing Marvin has on him is that he's healthier.

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Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48

2005-06 19 ATL NBA 79 1952 12.2 .523 .455 7.3 16.5 11.8 5.2 1.3 0.9 11.4 16.9 109 112 2.1 0.7 2.8 0.069

2006-07 20 ATL NBA 64 2177 12.2 .510 .441 4.6 14.2 9.3 9.7 1.3 1.1 13.4 20.1 101 110 0.9 1.4 2.3 0.051

2007-08 21 ATL NBA 80 2765 14.5 .540 .462 5.0 14.2 9.6 8.3 1.5 0.9 10.4 20.1 110 110 3.6 2.1 5.7 0.099

2008-09 22 ATL NBA 61 2093 16.0 .569 .502 6.2 15.2 10.7 6.3 1.5 1.4 8.6 18.2 117 108 3.9 2.2 6.1 0.140

2009-10 23 ATL NBA 81 2468 13.0 .540 .485 5.0 14.8 9.8 5.6 1.4 1.4 8.7 15.5 113 107 3.1 2.6 5.7 0.112

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Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48

2004-05 19 CHI NBA 61 1663 14.2 .496 .458 6.2 15.4 10.8 14.8 1.5 1.2 14.1 22.4 98 100 0.1 2.9 3.0 0.086

2005-06 20 CHI NBA 78 2604 15.8 .517 .474 5.6 17.1 11.4 9.7 1.4 1.5 8.9 20.4 106 103 2.7 3.8 6.5 0.120

2006-07 21 CHI NBA 82 3071 18.7 .560 .518 5.5 15.9 10.8 11.8 1.6 1.2 10.0 22.2 112 100 5.7 5.6 11.3 0.176

2007-08 22 CHI NBA 63 2128 17.0 .528 .483 7.0 14.2 10.4 13.2 1.4 1.1 10.6 23.6 107 109 2.4 1.9 4.4 0.098

2008-09 23 CHI NBA 49 1665 14.7 .511 .455 5.5 14.7 10.1 9.0 1.9 1.1 9.6 20.0 106 109 1.3 1.6 3.0 0.085

2009-10 24 CHI NBA 70 2651 16.1 .531 .482 5.6 15.8 10.7 9.1 1.3 1.8 10.4 21.9 106 106 2.5 3.4 5.9 0.106

Defensive % stats favor Marvin as well as offensive. While Marvin is involoved in his 15-20% usually 16%, Deng is invloved 20-24% usually 22%. I don't agree that he's a better shooter, defender, or scorer than Marvin. He is on a different team in a different role with a lot more touches.

[Sothron]

Those Sabremetrics mean nothing. The actual stats show that Deng is superior in every way except for free throw shooting to Superbust Marvin.