For the Scouts on the board.

[Admin]

Even the USA coaches and NBA coaches said it, Malone is great when he gets the ball in position. In order the get the ball in position, you need a certain type of PG. That's why Horf has to work for mostly everything while Malone had most of his dishes on a platter.I don't think you have a clue what a PnR PG or PF/C is. They are movement specialist. They usually have very high to elite BBIQ. They usually have elite court vision if he's a PG. They are great screeners if a big. They tend to be very good to elite passers. They are extremely effective when the personnel grouping is correct.

RIF. PnR PG has nothing to do with ability to score in low post or back to basket.

[Buzzard]

This is Karl's first season. Stock had 7.4 assist that year. Malone had 14.7ppg. Every year there was Stock, there was Malone. He was the #2 option, Horf was a #5 option and had 9.5ppg. Just by stats and pace adjustments, they were damn near the same and the trend continued...I wish you guys actually watch the tape to see what I am talking about. I been watching the tape and to be honest, I think Horf might be slightly better. He just needs the Stockton, not BS like Teague, Bibby, and Law. Guys who are overly washed up or guys with no PG skills.http://www.basketbal...s/UTA/1986.html

What tape are you referring too? Yes specific games and dates please.

[Joker]

What tape are you referring too? Yes specific games and dates please.

I have watched over 100 game films of the the Jazz pre 1989. After, probably 40 but I seen a lot of games on TV but I was at that age not to evaluate. I watched 95% of all Hawks games till this year where I watched 65 to 70% of games.I had a friend who worked for a NBA team that used to work for Utah that gave me the hook up.

[EazyRoc]

I will say this. In the entirety of his career Josh has only "anchored" 1 top ten team defense. Now he has good on/off numbers but those are greatly influenced by the quality of depth behind him and his other defensive statistics are influenced by raw stats such as his steals and blocks but the fact still remains that he's "lead" the team to only 1 top ten finish (6th) and that was this lockout shortened season.Now you can try the argument that if not for his effort the team would rank much lower but I personally wouldn't buy it considering that teams (like say Orlando) have much worse individual defensive personnel than the Hawks surrounding their anchor.Just for snickles, Pau has been "a part of" 6 top ten defenses over his career in both Memphis and LA.So just to make my point clear, I don't think losing his defensive impact would spell doom and gloom for the team like many seem to think.

You mean to tell me without our starting All Star center that you cannot credit Josh Smith for anchoring our top 10 defense, because the best defensive player of the last decade has worse personnel ? Why do you think Howard won back to back DPOY ? He's just that damn good.

[HawkItus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_yozMkcXFs60 point game against bucks......1990.......there is nothing remarkable about his post moves here.

[Joker]

This game stood out to me.It showed just how good Stockton could become with Malone in the future. I think Stock wasn't highly rated but this helped him but MJ gave them the business. This was purely great Basketball.http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198712020UTA.html

[Joker]

RIF.PnR PG has nothing to do with ability to score in low post or back to basket.

They set you up in favorable positions where Horf has been proven strong at. He struggle to create for himself but he can score with ease in a favorable position.

[Joker]

I swear you guys don't realize we have a superstar on this team right now and can't see it because our stupid management is dumber than some of the guys...

[EazyRoc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_yozMkcXFs60 point game against bucks......1990.......there is nothing remarkable about his post moves here.

After watching the video, I have to agree. It just looks like he's stronger and faster than anyone on the court.

[Admin]

This is Karl's first season. Stock had 7.4 assist that year. Malone had 14.7ppg. Every year there was Stock, there was Malone. He was the #2 option, Horf was a #5 option and had 9.5ppg. Just by stats and pace adjustments, they were damn near the same and the trend continued...I wish you guys actually watch the tape to see what I am talking about. I been watching the tape and to be honest, I think Horf might be slightly better. He just needs the Stockton, not BS like Teague, Bibby, and Law. Guys who are overly washed up or guys with no PG skills.http://www.basketbal...s/UTA/1986.html

You've been watching tape a lot. Why not take a cell phone pic of all these tapes for us? I mean you must have an enormous pile of them as much as you claim to watch tape.

[Joker]

You've been watching tape a lot. Why not take a cell phone pic of all these tapes for us? I mean you must have an enormous pile of them as much as you claim to watch tape.

I just borrowed it and gave it back when I finished. I haven't watched these tapes in two or three years. I even made a thread about it one time.No, I don't have much tape with me and none from then. I get most of my tape from online communities now and just taking notes since I don't have access to much anymore.

[Admin]

They set you up in favorable positions where Horf has been proven strong at. He struggle to create for himself but he can score with ease in a favorable position.

OMG dude the PnR has nothing to do with getting a post player in position to play with his back to the basket.

[Joker]

60 point game against bucks......1990.......there is nothing remarkable about his post moves here.

This is some horrendous defending.

[Joker]

OMG dude the PnR has nothing to do with getting a post player in position to play with his back to the basket.

PnR PG usually have elite court vision and passing ability. It would be better if I said playmaking PG then you would understand.

[Joker]

It's like Peyton Manning throwing the Football to Jay Feeley throwing the Football. One makes players better and leads the Football and the other just throws it. Does that makes more sense?

[EazyRoc]

If you are saying the PnR will set Al up to be a finisher as opposed to a post player I do. Because in that video, Stockton made some damn good entry passes.

[Joker]

If you are saying the PnR will set Al up to be a finisher as opposed to a post player I do. Because in that video, Stockton made some damn good entry passes.

Stockton is an elite passer with elite court vision and BBIQ. He was bless to be linked up with Malone and vice versa. Just imagine if Malone had to work for everything. He would be Al Horford.

[Joker]

Atlanta is a bad organization and bad organizations are extremely stupid.

[Buzzard]

I have watched over 100 game films of the the Jazz pre 1989. After, probably 40 but I seen a lot of games on TV but I was at that age not to evaluate. I watched 95% of all Hawks games till this year where I watched 65 to 70% of games.I had a friend who worked for a NBA team that used to work for Utah that gave me the hook up.

If you can't give them to us why do you keep telling us to watch the tapes. Seems just a little shy of a full load you are carrying there with such a flamboyant request. And what is the official age to evaluate?

[Admin]

PnR PG usually have elite court vision and passing ability. It would be better if I said playmaking PG then you would understand.

I understand what a flipping PnR PG is but it doesn't matter who your PG is or where he gets you the ball if you can't score with your back to the basket.