jrok23 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 does atlanta have a star in the making or do we need to make a move for a star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrypack Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 horford, but I think a top team needs two all star caliber players or a generational superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin capstone21 Posted August 9, 2013 Admin Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Well they do grow on trees 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted August 9, 2013 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No we don't. We need....[*drumroll*] This: aaaand this: ...and this: (He's a class act...if ya didn't know...buuurds flyin high.......you know how I FEEEEL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakaFlocka Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Jared Cunningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrReality Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Think DF hopes heDrafter one or two stars. Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted August 9, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 I agree we need to land a star. I am skeptical we can do it outside the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Who is a star? What do you have to achieve to be considered a star?Just calling someone a star isn't good enough. Simply making theall star team isn't enough. Perhaps being elected as a starter on the all star team? When advertisers come calling, offering those big $$$ to make a commercialto promote their products might be a good measuring stick. Could it be that a team might improve one or more of their players chances ofbeing considered as a star by having them appear in a lot of their team promotions?Their appearance on billboards, radio and TV advertising makes the publicmore aware of them. Doesn't make them a better player, but it does inhance themin the eyes of the public. So, yes we need some stars. Hawks front office needs to work on what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted August 9, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 (edited) Who is a star? What do you have to achieve to be considered a star?Just calling someone a star isn't good enough. Simply making theall star team isn't enough. I think this post I just made on another thread addresses this if your goal is winning a championship: Over the last 37 years, the following franchises have won championships: Lakers - 3 incarnations (Magic MVP/Kareem MVP, Shaq MVP/Kobe MVP, Kobe MVP/Gasol)Bulls - 1 incarnation (Jordan MVP/Pippen)Mavs - 1 incarnation (Dirk MVP)Pistons - 2 incarnations (Thomas/Dumars, Billups/Wallace: no mvps)Spurs - 2 incarnations (Robinson MVP/Duncan MVP -- Duncan MVP/Parker/Ginobili)Heat - 2 incarnations (Shaq MVP/Wade; Lebron MVP/Wade)Celtics - 2 incarnations (Bird MVP/McHale; Garnett MVP/PP/Allen)Rockets - 1 incarnation (Hakeem MVP)Sixers - 1 incarnation (Malone MVP/Dr J)Supersonics - 1 incarnation (no mvp)Bullets - 1 incarnation (Unseld MVP/Hayes)Trailblazers - 1 incarnation (Walton MVP). Of those 37 years, 4 seasons ended up with a champion that wasn't blessed with an MVP talent, just over 10%. On those 4 squads without an MVP you had: Thomas Pistons: 3 All-NBA players (Thomas, Dumars, Rodman) including 1 player with 5 1st or 2nd team All-NBA appearances (Isiah Thomas)Billups Pistons: 2 All-NBA players (Billups & Wallace) including 1 player with 5 All-NBA appearances (Wallace)1978-79 Supersonics: 2 All-NBA players (bizarrely, Jack Sikma never made All-NBA despite finishing top 10 in MVP voting multiple times). This team is the best example of quality depth with the top 7 players in minutes played all making All-Star teams. It seems like your model should start with the question of how to land that MVP talent if your goal is winning a championship and certainly if you have any pretense of winning multiple championships. Edited August 9, 2013 by AHF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurpilo Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 That's right, only teams with top10 talent win championships, there are some exceptions to the rule but the rule is clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators PSSSHHHRRR87 Posted August 9, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 This tired ole topic again? Man, the season can't start soon enough. Yes, we need a guy that the fans can get around and can give us 18 ppg, but don't expect the next Kobe to fall into our laps. I'm feeling we will draft our scoring SG/SF in 2014. Since it's Danny doing the drafting, it'll probably be Dario Saric. I would hope we go American for a scorer because Americans tend to be more physical, but I know a lot would love to see us take a certain Canadian... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GABALLA Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 This tired ole topic again? Man, the season can't start soon enough. Yes, we need a guy that the fans can get around and can give us 18 ppg, but don't expect the next Kobe to fall into our laps. I'm feeling we will draft our scoring SG/SF in 2014. Since it's Danny doing the drafting, it'll probably be Dario Saric. I would hope we go American for a scorer because Americans tend to be more physical, but I know a lot would love to see us take a certain Canadian...Since when are Canadians not "Americans" ?...sorry I couldn't resist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Vol4ever Posted August 9, 2013 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No we don't have a star. We don't appear to getting one anytime soon either unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member Wretch Posted August 9, 2013 Premium Member Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 I think this post I just made on another thread addresses this if your goal is winning a championship: Over the last 37 years, the following franchises have won championships: Lakers - 3 incarnations (Magic MVP/Kareem MVP, Shaq MVP/Kobe MVP, Kobe MVP/Gasol)Bulls - 1 incarnation (Jordan MVP/Pippen)Mavs - 1 incarnation (Dirk MVP)Pistons - 2 incarnations (Thomas/Dumars, Billups/Wallace: no mvps)Spurs - 2 incarnations (Robinson MVP/Duncan MVP -- Duncan MVP/Parker/Ginobili)Heat - 2 incarnations (Shaq MVP/Wade; Lebron MVP/Wade)Celtics - 2 incarnations (Bird MVP/McHale; Garnett MVP/PP/Allen)Rockets - 1 incarnation (Hakeem MVP)Sixers - 1 incarnation (Malone MVP/Dr J)Supersonics - 1 incarnation (no mvp)Bullets - 1 incarnation (Unseld MVP/Hayes)Trailblazers - 1 incarnation (Walton MVP). Of those 37 years, 4 seasons ended up with a champion that wasn't blessed with an MVP talent, just over 10%. On those 4 squads without an MVP you had: Thomas Pistons: 3 All-NBA players (Thomas, Dumars, Rodman) including 1 player with 5 1st or 2nd team All-NBA appearances (Isiah Thomas)Billups Pistons: 2 All-NBA players (Billups & Wallace) including 1 player with 5 All-NBA appearances (Wallace)1978-79 Supersonics: 2 All-NBA players (bizarrely, Jack Sikma never made All-NBA despite finishing top 10 in MVP voting multiple times). This team is the best example of quality depth with the top 7 players in minutes played all making All-Star teams. It seems like your model should start with the question of how to land that MVP talent if your goal is winning a championship and certainly if you have any pretense of winning multiple championships. Dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flight Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Let's just see how this squad plays out for a while then determine the real needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbhawksfan Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Why don't we just make one. (There was a movie where they did that some time ago. Except it wasn't a superstar, it was a beautiful women ... I digress) Build the right system, draft the right guys, turn them into superstars by winning a couple championships. The Ferry way? Hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrypack Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 That 2010-2011 Dallas team had some good players, but Dirk is a bit different than a lot of those MVPs. Dirk plus an old Kidd, an aging Marion, an aging Jason Terry, a resurrected Tyson Chandler. I like all those guys and they played well together, but those are some one dimensional (but good) players with some weaknesses. You don't need an mvp to win it all, but I think you need one "unguardable" player. also, if you have a great record, your best player may be named the mvp or has a leg up, so the mvp correlation is not causation. And those sonics teams ruled NBA jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted August 9, 2013 Moderators Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Dirk was awesome during those playoffs. 27.7 ppg on .609 TS% over 21 games That is better than any playoff or regular season in his career. In fact, his career his ts% for the regular season was 2010-11 as well. He was still at his peak as a scorer. If anyone can find the last Hawk to do that, I'll tip my cap but I don't think we've ever had anyone score like that with anything close to that efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllestPamfilis Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 We need a superstar. Tell me suttin' I didn't know mane.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Mule Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 O.K. The impossible only takes a little longer. I read that list of starswho won it all with their team. I agree. They are / were great stars. We want one or two of our very own. We all agree. Still, no oneseems to be able to give us a satisfactory answer to the question:"Where do we get one?" Do they have to be made? Or, are they born that way? Probablysome of both. A player born with the God given ability to do greatthings, then an orginization spending the time and money to makethem great. The player must be willing to put in a lot of work andlisten to those in the know for this to happen. Still, the question remains. Where and how do we get our very own?We might tank the season and just hope and pray that certain grandand wonderful player fell to us in the draft. These players, as good / greatas they may be, come with no money back guarantee. They are notautomatically a great NBA star to turn the franchise around. Otherwise,whoever gets that top every year would be going from mediocre to thechampionship level every season. We all want those great, all star players. So, if the draft is not the answer,where can we obtain this elusive champion we all want and desire? Anyonewith the answer to this, don't post it here. Go directly to the Hawks frontoffice and inform them. They need to know. If you post it here, theneveryone will know and we would want to keep it a secret!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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