Kyle Korver vs. DeMarre Carroll

[Vol4ever]

I need to dig up the Kyle Korver articles as it relates to his defense and the misconception.

He is not a one on one defender because of a lack  lateral quickness.  But when it comes to team defense he is outstanding.

 

 

Come on Jaybird, I really like Kyle too but if he is starting you are not a serious contender, he is a GREAT weapon off the bench in limited minutes.  He couldnt guard anyone on Hawksquawk.

[Guest]

Come on Jaybird, I really like Kyle too but if he is starting you are not a serious contender, he is a GREAT weapon off the bench in limited minutes. He couldnt guard anyone on Hawksquawk.

I'm talking strictly about the misconception about his defense in general. Would I prefer Korver off the bench sure. But who replaces him right now?

Maybe Bazemore can supplant him. Until camp starts and is over Kyle is the starter.

[macdaddy]

Korver is a great shooter but that is about it.  DMC is a hustler and scrapper and can shoot a little.  If either is starting on your team your not title contending.  

 

Just the cold hard facts folks.

 

Well if you hadn't added the last line I would let it go but this is so far away from being a fact that it is funny.   You really don't think if you put Korver at the starting 2 this year for Chicago or Cleveland that they would instantly become 'not contenders' ?   That makes no sense.

 

You think that if DMC was starting last year for OKC instead of Thabo that they would not be contending?   

 

I'd say it's cold, hard hyperbole.

[TheFuzz]

Korver would've started for the Spurs, Thunder, Clippers and possibly the Heat last year. Just saying. If we get a better 2 to start over him, then great. But he's one of the best SG in the league, albeit a specialist. Top 10 easy. He can slide over to the 3 as well.

[Guest]

Well if you hadn't added the last line I would let it go but this is so far away from being a fact that it is funny. You really don't think if you put Korver at the starting 2 this year for Chicago or Cleveland that they would instantly become 'not contenders' ? That makes no sense.

You think that if DMC was starting last year for OKC instead of Thabo that they would not be contending?

I'd say it's cold, hard hyperbole.

I was just going to say the same thing. You put Kyle in the Bulls starting lineup with Rose, Gasol, Butler and Gibson then they are finals bound.

[benhillboy]

I can't see Kyle coming off the bench, so depending on matchup, he can find a fit at either the 2 or 3. His shooting and spacing is too important at the beginning and ending of games.

There are many teams that wish they had the depth of Sefalosha, Bazemore, and Carrolle to switch out to defend the wing. The way Kyle is steadily improving, he may be an even better defender this year. Our wing situation is the least of our worries, as I believe BazedGod and Thabo will have career years. We need Dennis to consistently show those flashes of being dynamic and push Jeff and Shelvin for minutes, first and foremost.

Edited August 11, 2014 by benhillboy

[ATLHawks3]

I see us rolling out the same starting lineup we had opening night of last year. That was our most balanced lineup, from the slashing of Teague, the shooting of Korver, the Defensive effort we see from Caroll, the offensive versatility of Millsap, and the PnR/PnP game of Al Horford. 

[Vol4ever]

Korver would've started for the Spurs, Thunder, Clippers and possibly the Heat last year. Just saying. If we get a better 2 to start over him, then great. But he's one of the best SG in the league, albeit a specialist. Top 10 easy. He can slide over to the 3 as well.

One of the best SG's in the league?

[Vol4ever]

Well if you hadn't added the last line I would let it go but this is so far away from being a fact that it is funny.   You really don't think if you put Korver at the starting 2 this year for Chicago or Cleveland that they would instantly become 'not contenders' ?   That makes no sense.

 

You think that if DMC was starting last year for OKC instead of Thabo that they would not be contending?   

 

I'd say it's cold, hard hyperbole.

Disagree. Thabo lost his job due to injury. Korver would not be starting for Chicago or Cleveland. If Rose comes back healthy that gives them a superstar just like LeBron in Cleveland. We have nobody close to being a star so all 5 of our starters really have to be on every night.

[buckeye242424]

Kyle might be on the US team, it's looking like he may make team. That's enough for me to say he should be starting for the Hawks.

[macdaddy]

Korver was 3rd in the nba for SGs in average points per shot.  Behind Harden and Dragic.   Not sure why he's being treated like some scrub.

[Guest]

Another Korver article:

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/20087/korver-in-unlikely-position-with-team-usa?ex_cid=espnapi_public

 

Korver, who set an NBA record last season by hitting a 3-pointer for a 127th straight game, appears to be enjoying his time on Team USA more than anyone. The Atlanta Hawkssharpshooter has put a lot of work into his game in recent years and he is at the point in his career when he can appreciate it more than ever. 

"It's kind of cool that [this opportunity] kind of comes more towards the end," said Korver, who shot an NBA-best .472 from 3-point range last season. "This is my 12th year coming up and I've never really been a part of stuff like this so it's kind of special to me. I take it serious. I'm trying to do this thing. Not that I see this as the end; I'm going to keep trying to grow and get better, but it's kind of a cool thing that it happens more towards the end than at the beginning. I'm not like the young guy here who they see down the road they're going to throw him in the mix." 

No, he's not. But he is the guy Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski likely will count on to space the floor and knock down shots. Krzyzewski reiterated last week that Korver has a solid chance to make the final 12-man team and would be a great veteran presence for the rest of the younger players. Korver's presence on Team USA would also make one of Krzyzewski's assistants -- Korver's former coach with the Bulls, Tom Thibodeau -- very happy. 

 

"I've always felt like the better the players are around me the harder it is to guard me and the better I am," Korver said. "These are really good players so I feel like there's a great opportunity if they choose to go this way. I don't consider myself an elite superstar player by any means. I've always tried to be an elite teammate, though. Like a really, really good teammate. If you're going to build a team, you'd want me to be on it. 

"That's like my goal, that's like my biggest goal. Just to be invited to this when they're trying to put together the best possible team in the NBA, I feel like I take it seriously because that's what I work for. I don't know what direction they're going to go, but I'm going to go out here and try to knock down my shots and work hard and it's fun."

[buckeye242424]

Korver is a great shooter but that is about it.  DMC is a hustler and scrapper and can shoot a little.  If either is starting on your team your not title contending.  

 

Just the cold hard facts folks.

One of them is gonna be, if not both... So I think we're fukked.

[TJR4536]

Korver is a great shooter but that is about it.  DMC is a hustler and scrapper and can shoot a little.  If either is starting on your team your not title contending.  

 

Just the cold hard facts folks.

 

 

 NOT sure why your saying this the spurs are the best team in the nba and there starting d green who isnt as good as korver not as good at 3s or on d and they won. lol

[Vol4ever]

NOT sure why your saying this the spurs are the best team in the nba and there starting d green who isnt as good as korver not as good at 3s or on d and they won. lol

They have Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, and that kid.................what's his name lol. As I said before we don't have those players to make up for Korvers defense.

[TJR4536]

They have Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, and that kid.................what's his name lol. As I said before we don't have those players to make up for Korvers defense.

 

 Well what u said indicated that korver wouldnt start for ANY TITLE contending team. teams like okc starting perk and spurs DG so on so on i mean you actin like we all scurbs

[Vol4ever]

Well what u said indicated that korver wouldnt start for ANY TITLE contending team. teams like okc starting perk and spurs DG so on so on i mean you actin like we all scurbs

No my point was that Kyle cannot be a starter on a team like ours and win, he would have to have superior talent around him. I believe on a title contending team Kyle would be a sniper off the bench.

[AHF]

No my point was that Kyle cannot be a starter on a team like ours and win, he would have to have superior talent around him. I believe on a title contending team Kyle would be a sniper off the bench.

 

It is a false dilemma.  A team like ours can't win a title under any circumstances so you can make the same statement about Horford, Teague, Millsap or anyone else on the team and it is equally true.  This team can't win a ring regardless of who is starting.  Guys like BJ Armstrong, Luc Longley, Ron Harper (the Harper who averaged 6-7 ppg), John Paxson, etc. were all starters on title winning teams and Korver is their equal or better.  

 

Guys like DMC and especially Korver being bit role starters isn't the problem winning a title -- it is the lack of superstars that is the problem. Saying "you can't win a title on a team like our starting Korver" is unnecessarily singling out Korver.  You could say:

 

• This team cannot win a title with a guy like Horford as a best player.  I believe on a title contending team Horford would be the third best guy on the team.
• This team cannot win a title with a guy like Teague as our best player at the 1-3.  I believe on a title contending team we need more than a 17 PER from our best guard and/or wing.
• Etc.

Bottomline:  This team doesn't have the talent to win a title right now.  Period.

Edited August 13, 2014 by AHF

[Vol4ever]

It is a false dilemma.  A team like ours can't win a title under any circumstances so you can make the same statement about Horford, Teague, Millsap or anyone else on the team and it is equally true.  This team can't win a ring regardless of who is starting.  Guys like BJ Armstrong, Luc Longley, Ron Harper (the Harper who averaged 6-7 ppg), John Paxson, etc. were all starters on title winning teams and Korver is their equal or better.  

 

Guys like DMC and especially Korver being bit role starters isn't the problem winning a title -- it is the lack of superstars that is the problem. Saying "you can't win a title on a team like our starting Korver" is unnecessarily singling out Korver.  You could say:

 

• This team cannot win a title with a guy like Horford as a best player.  I believe on a title contending team Horford would be the third best guy on the team.
• This team cannot win a title with a guy like Teague as our best player at the 1-3.  I believe on a title contending team we need more than a 17 PER from our best guard and/or wing.
• Etc.

Bottomline:  This team doesn't have the talent to win a title right now.  Period.

 

 

 

I can agree with that and I like Kyle, but imo opinion all he gives you is shooting, nothing else.  Kyle did not start very much at all in Chicago.  

[TheFuzz]

One of the best SG's in the league?

 

I think so, but part of that is a reflection on the quality of SG these years. I do like Korver much more than most, though. He'll never make an all-star team like, say, Derozan, but I'd rather have Korver discounting age and contract. Again, that's my opinion.