Ranking the top 24 SG’s 2023-24 per HOOPSHYPE

[Spud2nique]

I disagree here. I’m a Hawks biased fan and everyone prolly already knows that but I’m realistic as well…

Dejounte @JayBirdHawk’s boy should be ahead of:

Beal

Bane

Maxey

Lavine

 

I’d even go as far as to argue that the #1 guy on the list isn’t a 2 way player. 

#3 Mitchell and Dejounte is close but I prefer DJ due to height and again defense.

#2 Ant he’s legit, I’d put him above.

I got:

1. Jaylen Brown

2. Ant  

3. Dejounte

 

 Who is in your top 3, 5? Who is misplaced at their respective slots? Thoughts?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-predictions-top-24-shooting-guards-2023-24-season/

[warcore]

17 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

I got:

1. Jaylen Brown

2. Ant  

3. Dejounte

agree with this

[hawkman]

1 hour ago, Spud2nique said:

I disagree here. I’m a Hawks biased fan and everyone prolly already knows that but I’m realistic as well…

Dejounte @JayBirdHawk’s boy should be ahead of:

Beal

Bane

Maxey

Lavine

 

I’d even go as far as to argue that the #1 guy on the list isn’t a 2 way player. 

#3 Mitchell and Dejounte is close but I prefer DJ due to height and again defense.

#2 Ant he’s legit, I’d put him above.

I got:

1. Jaylen Brown

2. Ant  

3. Dejounte

 

 Who is in your top 3, 5? Who is misplaced at their respective slots? Thoughts?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-predictions-top-24-shooting-guards-2023-24-season/

No Devin Booker???

[Spud2nique]

4 hours ago, hawkman said:

No Devin Booker???

4th! I hate his D..  fense. 

[Diesel]

1.  Ant Edwards 

2.   Devin Booker

3.   Jaylen Brown 

4.   Spyda Mitchell

5.   Dejounte Murray. 

HM:  Desmond Bane

 

 

[macdaddy]

12 hours ago, Diesel said:

1.  Ant Edwards 

2.   Devin Booker

3.   Jaylen Brown 

4.   Spyda Mitchell

5.   Dejounte Murray. 

HM:  Desmond Bane

 

 

I agree.  Top 3 here could be in any order.  I was super disappointed by Mitchell's playoffs though.   So i'm hopeful DJ passes him.  

[shakes]

I think the rankings are very accurate.  Only issue I have with top 9 is I'd have DJM #8 and Maxey lower than him.

 

But I wouldn't have DJM over Beal or Bane.  If we were offered Bane for DJM there isn't a person here who wouldn't jump at that deal and scream no take backs.

 

 

[macdaddy]

5 minutes ago, shakes said:

I think the rankings are very accurate.  Only issue I have with top 9 is I'd have DJM #8 and Maxey lower than him.

 

But I wouldn't have DJM over Beal or Bane.  If we were offered Bane for DJM there isn't a person here who wouldn't jump at that deal and scream no take backs.

 

 

What about Beal?  I wouldn't take Beal.  Seems like he's been a low impact 'star' his whole career.  

[AHF]

3 minutes ago, shakes said:

I think the rankings are very accurate.  Only issue I have with top 9 is I'd have DJM #8 and Maxey lower than him.

 

But I wouldn't have DJM over Beal or Bane.  If we were offered Bane for DJM there isn't a person here who wouldn't jump at that deal and scream no take backs.

 

 

Not sure about that.  Beal is 30 this season and coming off of two seasons where he averaged 23 PPG to go with around 4.4 RPG and 6 APG which compares pretty closely to 21 PPG, 5.3 RPG and 6 APG but which DM being the significantly better defender and earning almost half of what Beal will make.   It has been 5 years since Beal has played more than 60 games and he has averaged just 54 games played over the last 4 years (40 games, 50 games, 57 games, and 60 games).  The two have even shot comparably from 3 over the last two seasons (due to Beal's ugly 30% in 2021-22).  I'm not sure there are very many who would make that trade - especially if it meant having to cut salary elsewhere to compensate.  DM also kills him on recent advanced metrics.  Not clear at all.

Bane is a stronger case - especially being bigger, a better defender than Beal, and two years younger than DM.  It is notable that DM will be significantly cheaper than Bane over their upcoming contracts but the gap isn't nearly as large as with Beal.

 

[shakes]

18 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

What about Beal?  I wouldn't take Beal.  Seems like he's been a low impact 'star' his whole career.  

I'd like to see how he does this year being on a real team for the first time in his career.    

[shakes]

11 minutes ago, AHF said:

Not sure about that.  Beal is 30 this season and coming off of two seasons where he averaged 23 PPG to go with around 4.4 RPG and 6 APG which compares pretty closely to 21 PPG, 5.3 RPG and 6 APG but which DM being the significantly better defender and earning almost half of what Beal will make.   It has been 5 years since Beal has played more than 60 games and he has averaged just 54 games played over the last 4 years (40 games, 50 games, 57 games, and 60 games).  The two have even shot comparably from 3 over the last two seasons (due to Beal's ugly 30% in 2021-22).  I'm not sure there are very many who would make that trade - especially if it meant having to cut salary elsewhere to compensate.  DM also kills him on recent advanced metrics.  Not clear at all.

Bane is a stronger case - especially being bigger, a better defender than Beal, and two years younger than DM.  It is notable that DM will be significantly cheaper than Bane over their upcoming contracts but the gap isn't nearly as large as with Beal.

 

I didn't factor in contracts at all.

 

Like I said to MacDaddy, I'd like to see how Beal does now that he's on a good team for the first time in his life.  I think he'll do very well, but we'll see.

 

We already saw DJM transition from bad team to a mediocre playoff team and his performance was pretty good, not great.  Let's see how Beal does with that type of move.

[AHF]

18 minutes ago, shakes said:

I didn't factor in contracts at all.

 

Like I said to MacDaddy, I'd like to see how Beal does now that he's on a good team for the first time in his life.  I think he'll do very well, but we'll see.

 

We already saw DJM transition from bad team to a mediocre playoff team and his performance was pretty good, not great.  Let's see how Beal does with that type of move.

You may well be right.  I'm just saying a LOT of Hawks fans wouldn't trade DM for Beal at this stage in their career.  Some of them would do it for performance or fan reasons.  Others might also factor in the contracts which I think have to be part of the calculus for a GM if you were considering that offer.  

I personally expect to see a decline in many of Beal's counting stats but a big increase in his scoring efficiency.

[macdaddy]

28 minutes ago, shakes said:

I'd like to see how he does this year being on a real team for the first time in his career.    

I mean those wiz teams should have been good if Beal (and Wall) were as good as they claimed to be.  

[shakes]

27 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I mean those wiz teams should have been good if Beal (and Wall) were as good as they claimed to be.  

meh

36 minutes ago, AHF said:

You may well be right.  I'm just saying a LOT of Hawks fans wouldn't trade DM for Beal at this stage in their career.  Some of them would do it for performance or fan reasons.  Others might also factor in the contracts which I think have to be part of the calculus for a GM if you were considering that offer.  

I personally expect to see a decline in many of Beal's counting stats but a big increase in his scoring efficiency.

I wouldn't trade DJM for Beal.  But that doesn't mean I think DJM is better than Beal.  better fit without a doubt.

[AHF]

36 minutes ago, shakes said:

I wouldn't trade DJM for Beal.  But that doesn't mean I think DJM is better than Beal.  better fit without a doubt.

As a mia culpa, I read your previous post as saying that no Hawks fan would jump on a deal of Beal or Bane for DM but I see now  you only said Bane.  I still don't think everyone would do that but definitely a lot more would trade for Bane than Beal, imo.

[Diesel]

7 hours ago, macdaddy said:

I agree.  Top 3 here could be in any order.  I was super disappointed by Mitchell's playoffs though.   So i'm hopeful DJ passes him.  

Mitchell is still uber talented, especially on the offensive end.   One bad series doesn't make or break a player... hello Trae fans. 

 

[sillent]

On 8/6/2023 at 2:23 PM, Spud2nique said:

I disagree here. I’m a Hawks biased fan and everyone prolly already knows that but I’m realistic as well…

Dejounte @JayBirdHawk’s boy should be ahead of:

Beal

Bane

Maxey

Lavine

 

I’d even go as far as to argue that the #1 guy on the list isn’t a 2 way player. 

#3 Mitchell and Dejounte is close but I prefer DJ due to height and again defense.

#2 Ant he’s legit, I’d put him above.

I got:

1. Jaylen Brown

2. Ant  

3. Dejounte

 

 Who is in your top 3, 5? Who is misplaced at their respective slots? Thoughts?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rankings-predictions-top-24-shooting-guards-2023-24-season/

To be honest I just looked at the list and the only one I would change slightly is Desmond Bane to maybe number 10 as well as bump Anfernee Simons up a little more while possibly moving Herro back some.

If we're going on talent and potential I definitely get where you're coming from but if we're going on resumes to this date than it's hard to argue many of their choices. Me personally I would move Klay Thompson back a little more but his resume warrants him atleast being where he is.

So far though their list doesn't look too far off although I do expect some changes in the near future and yes DJ definitely has a chance to cement his name in atleast top 5 of that list in the near future.

[Spud2nique]

34 minutes ago, sillent said:

Me personally I would move Klay Thompson back a little more

How bout all the way out the top 24! It’s ovaaaa 

Ps I knew I liked you  

Edited August 8, 2023 by Spud2nique

[Diesel]

On 8/7/2023 at 11:46 AM, AHF said:

Bane is a stronger case - especially being bigger, a better defender than Beal, and two years younger than DM.  It is notable that DM will be significantly cheaper than Bane over their upcoming contracts but the gap isn't nearly as large as with Beal.

 

What I love about Bane is his shooting.   What I don't love about Bane is his ball handling... even though he made a ton of assists this past year with Ja being in and out.  Everything about him says that he can be a star but I wonder how much of it is based on system.   I ranked DJ a slight bit above him because of his ability to pass.  Both are decent rebounders.   Bane is definitely the better shooter but I wonder how much of Bane's scoring is because he's on a team with no other scorers (especially when Ja ia gone).