Hawks looking to trade

[warcore]

14 minutes ago, h4wkfan said:

Mikey constantly selling that getting Pennies on the dollar for DJM is a great deal for us def checks out.
 

The burner account has been confirmed.  

now YOU would point the finger now wouldn't you?

[bird_dirt]

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

Dlo + 2029 pick (which is viewed as a premium pick) + 2030 swap is a good deal. You’re not getting a better deal anywhere. You guys are overvaluing Murray. Forget what we paid that’s a sunk cost at this point

That’s not a good deal. The 2029 pick (five years down the road) is the only real added asset. The swap has little to no added value, since we wouldn’t be gaining an additional pick. 
D Lo is a negative asset and the Lakers should attach 1rp or multiple 2rps for taking him. 

[Mikey]

47 minutes ago, AHF said:

Your preference.  Not mine.  I don't want to unload the best player we've had since Nique when he is 25 years old.

Good so do something that supports that goal.  Which these garbage trades don't.

I don't believe this for a second.  No team is trading a foundational player at the level of Dejounte for the 2029 Lakers pick plus whatever second round pick type of asset you get for moving DLo to another team.  

Dejounte on his current contract is a much better asset than the 2029 Lakers pick.  Most GMs won't still be working for their current teams in 2029.  They aren't going to give up serious value for a pick that is that far away.  There is a reason that you don't see rumors of other teams dealing strong players for a pick that remote in time.  If the Raptors thought this was better than the return they got they would have traded with the Lakers instead of the Knicks.  We shouldn't do that kind of garbage deal either.

OG is caa he was always gonna sign with the Knicks why would any other team trade for him and just risk him leaving? Them and lakers didn’t have discussions…comparing two trades when one team doesn’t have to engage and didn’t makes no sense. 

 

The hornets just traded for a 27 pick. Fans don’t think long term gms do even if they don’t have security. Every team has a plan you just want win now players for DJM and that doesn’t exist. And won’t exist. If they keep djm what do you think happens? They are not making any run this year. You don’t want win now moves you want win now this season moves and no move is helping this current team 

[Mikey]

52 minutes ago, AHF said:

Your preference.  Not mine.  I don't want to unload the best player we've had since Nique when he is 25 years old.

Good so do something that supports that goal.  Which these garbage trades don't.

I don't believe this for a second.  No team is trading a foundational player at the level of Dejounte for the 2029 Lakers pick plus whatever second round pick type of asset you get for moving DLo to another team.  

Dejounte on his current contract is a much better asset than the 2029 Lakers pick.  Most GMs won't still be working for their current teams in 2029.  They aren't going to give up serious value for a pick that is that far away.  There is a reason that you don't see rumors of other teams dealing strong players for a pick that remote in time.  If the Raptors thought this was better than the return they got they would have traded with the Lakers instead of the Knicks.  We shouldn't do that kind of garbage deal either.

Also it just so happens to be 29 cause that’s the first pick the lakers can move. The further the better for the hawks and any team acquiring it 

[bird_dirt]

3 minutes ago, Mikey said:

OG is caa he was always gonna sign with the Knicks why would any other team trade for him and just risk him leaving? Them and lakers didn’t have discussions…comparing two trades when one team doesn’t have to engage and didn’t makes no sense. 

 

The hornets just traded for a 27 pick. Fans don’t think long term gms do even if they don’t have security. Every team has a plan you just want win now players for DJM and that doesn’t exist. And won’t exist. If they keep djm what do you think happens? They are not making any run this year. You don’t want win now moves you want win now this season moves and no move is helping this current team 

If this is the case (and I have no reason to doubt you), then that only reinforces @AHF assertion that DJ should draw more return than OG. 
If NYK are the only team in for OG and everyone knows it, then they wouldn’t need to offer any more than the bare minimum to make the trade work. 
When there is a talented player on a good contract with multiple suitors, that should drive the price up more than an expiring contract with only one team willing to trade for him. 

[theheroatl]

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

Dlo + 2029 pick (which is viewed as a premium pick) + 2030 swap is a good deal. You’re not getting a better deal anywhere. You guys are overvaluing Murray. Forget what we paid that’s a sunk cost at this point

Bro why

you lost all credibility with posts like that.. you must be a laker plant

 

we don’t f’n need to trade Murray.. that’s message board fodder

Edited January 24 by theheroatl

[ABH]

11 minutes ago, Mikey said:

OG is caa he was always gonna sign with the Knicks why would any other team trade for him and just risk him leaving? Them and lakers didn’t have discussions…comparing two trades when one team doesn’t have to engage and didn’t makes no sense. 

 

The hornets just traded for a 27 pick. Fans don’t think long term gms do even if they don’t have security. Every team has a plan you just want win now players for DJM and that doesn’t exist. And won’t exist. If they keep djm what do you think happens? They are not making any run this year. You don’t want win now moves you want win now this season moves and no move is helping this current team 

If u don't get players for win now then Trae is gone anyways..Lakers deal sucks ...peroid..djm needs traded in offseason...I dont know how many times it's been said...draft picks suck..we can pick and can't get anyone here..keep djm and deal our other trash away from 

[JeffS17]

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

The hawks traded 3 unprotected picks for Murray which was an overpay at the time.

No, we traded two unprotected picks, a heavily protected pick that isn't going to convey, and a swap that will probably not be that impactful.  So with hindsight, we basically paid two unprotected firsts to dump Gallo salary and get DJM.  It's an overpay by only by some light pick protections imo.

 

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Also it just so happens to be 29 cause that’s the first pick the lakers can move. The further the better for the hawks and any team acquiring it 

Lakers '29 isn't going to be that good.  I share the same sentiment as others here that expecting them to be bad is fools gold.  They get who they want through trade or FA because they're the Lakers.  And they're not going to be tanking because they don't own all their picks as it is.  So maybe this pick lands somewhere around 10 at best, but I honestly doubt it -- too many perennial poverty franchises for this pick to be that good.

8 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Bro why

you lost all credibility with posts like that.. you must be a laker plant

 

we don’t f’n need to trade Murray.. that’s message board fodder

On paper we don't need to trade him but he's asked out, so there's no way we're going to keep him long term, even if he doesn't get traded this deadline.  That's just not how the current NBA works.

[Mikey]

11 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

No, we traded two unprotected picks, a heavily protected pick that isn't going to convey, and a swap that will probably not be that impactful.  So with hindsight, we basically paid two unprotected firsts to dump Gallo salary and get DJM.  It's an overpay by only by some light pick protections imo.

 

Lakers '29 isn't going to be that good.  I share the same sentiment as others here that expecting them to be bad is fools gold.  They get who they want through trade or FA because they're the Lakers.  And they're not going to be tanking because they don't own all their picks as it is.  So maybe this pick lands somewhere around 10 at best, but I honestly doubt it -- too many perennial poverty franchises for this pick to be that good.

On paper we don't need to trade him but he's asked out, so there's no way we're going to keep him long term, even if he doesn't get traded this deadline.  That's just not how the current NBA works.

Okay if you guys think the pick is going to be bad (I disagree) the market has it priced as a premium asset. If they move it in the summer for someone anyways why the heck does it matter if it’s good or not. It’s essentially a three team deal just happening a bit later. If the returns of djm get you the star to help you win now who cares about these 2 months. They should have played better and not ended their season half way through 

[Mikey]

22 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

Bro why

you lost all credibility with posts like that.. you must be a laker plant

 

we don’t f’n need to trade Murray.. that’s message board fodder

You guys just overrate Murray. Really isn’t much more to it. He’s a top 50-60 player in a guard heavy league. Take your bias out of it. 

Keep him (you can’t he asked out weeks ago) and continue this cycle of 7-8 seed lose first round. 

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

If anyone thinks the Lakers in 2029 aren't going to still be a good team you don't know the history of the NBA. They almost always get whoever they want as a premier franchise. That pick will be a low first rounder by 2029 because the Lakers will have convinced some other stars to replace Lebron/AD in five years. 

I am very close to emotionally distancing myself from the Hawks until we get new ownership. Messy Ressy as @JayBirdHawk calls him is the most accurate nickname for ownership since A$G was the blight in Atlanta. 

Except they didn’t for years between Kobe and bron and end of Kobe career. Lebron saved em and they’ll be back to fodder when he’s gone 

[AHF]

10 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Okay if you guys think the pick is going to be bad (I disagree) the market has it priced as a premium asset. If they move it in the summer for someone anyways why the heck does it matter if it’s good or not. It’s essentially a three team deal just happening a bit later. If the returns of djm get you the star to help you win now who cares about these 2 months. They should have played better and not ended their season half way through 

No one is giving up a foundational player for that 2029 Laker pick.  Come on.  You can't really believe that.

The whole point is that this return for Dejounte won't get you the star to help you win now.  I don't care about the rest of this season.  The problem with this trade is it does nothing to make us better for next season because no one is going to give up very much for the Lakers 2029 pick.  Other GMs aren't stupid.  They know the odds of LA landing a premium free agent between now and then is very high and that they will probably be much better in the 2028-29 season than the bottom-dweller team you are claiming.  

The fact that it is a 2029 pick discounts the value just like there is a time value of money.  Again, most GMs only last a few years at their job so they are doing everything they can to execute on a plan and buy themselves more time.  Nobody's plan extends out that far.  They need returns on their trade faster than that unless they are talking about a player they are just dumping anyway.  Even Toronto insisted on much more immediate value for their guys.  They traded two UFAs and didn't get any 2029 picks.  They got:

RJ Barrett - Current player

Quickley - Current player

Bruce Brown - Current player

Lewis & Nwora - Current players

2024 First Round Pick

2024 First Round Pick

2024 Second Round Pick

Protected 2026 First Round Pick

 

That is a return designed to retool your team not crap your pants and stink it up for the next 5 years.

Dejounte isn't an expiring UFA.  While each of these guys has their own value based on their performance, he has the most value enhancement from his contract situation.  You both have team control of him for 4 years and you know you are getting him at a discount price during that period.  He gets more valuable as his % of the cap declines over time.

From a performance standpoint, Siakam has the biggest impact followed by OG and Dejounte in very close succession.  There is no big gap here between the latter two players especially after contract status is factored in.  

[JayBirdHawk]

This needs a team no one is talking about to jump into the fray. 

Lets see which teams I can come up with ....be right back.

[GameTime]

Can't wait to trade Trae to San Antonio so we can start our 10 year rebuild wit' The Resslers

 

[ABH]

I like to know when they going to raise the goal to 11ft

[Watchman]

3 hours ago, Wretch said:

As I suspected and feared.  I don't know if I blame anyone outside of the ownership group that has made a mess of things, but I certainly have no appreciation for sports agencies basically tampering.  Maybe I'm just jaded because of the LeBron James effect...

If Klutch wants DJM to go to LA, then they need to work out a three or more team trade, so we don't get stuck with LA's trash.  

[Watchman]

31 minutes ago, GameTime said:

Can't wait to trade Trae to San Antonio so we can start our 10 year rebuild wit' The Resslers

 

I think Ressler has not thought this through.  If he wanted Trae to be around to generate ticket sales, then he seems to have shot himself in the foot.

[Watchman]

6 hours ago, Mikey said:

I said this the other day and it’s pretty clear the lakers are the leaders. Only hold up is who is taking d lo (who I think teams are personally viewing poorly since he’s been pretty good this year). But as more trades go down and teams show which direction they’re taking more and more teams can be that facilitator. I haven’t heard recently any new suitors or new packages. Favorites are lakers and Knicks 

The Hawks should tell LA that with offers like this, they can sit and rot.

[Mikey]

1 hour ago, AHF said:

No one is giving up a foundational player for that 2029 Laker pick.  Come on.  You can't really believe that.

The whole point is that this return for Dejounte won't get you the star to help you win now.  I don't care about the rest of this season.  The problem with this trade is it does nothing to make us better for next season because no one is going to give up very much for the Lakers 2029 pick.  Other GMs aren't stupid.  They know the odds of LA landing a premium free agent between now and then is very high and that they will probably be much better in the 2028-29 season than the bottom-dweller team you are claiming.  

The fact that it is a 2029 pick discounts the value just like there is a time value of money.  Again, most GMs only last a few years at their job so they are doing everything they can to execute on a plan and buy themselves more time.  Nobody's plan extends out that far.  They need returns on their trade faster than that unless they are talking about a player they are just dumping anyway.  Even Toronto insisted on much more immediate value for their guys.  They traded two UFAs and didn't get any 2029 picks.  They got:

RJ Barrett - Current player

Quickley - Current player

Bruce Brown - Current player

Lewis & Nwora - Current players

2024 First Round Pick

2024 First Round Pick

2024 Second Round Pick

Protected 2026 First Round Pick

 

That is a return designed to retool your team not crap your pants and stink it up for the next 5 years.

Dejounte isn't an expiring UFA.  While each of these guys has their own value based on their performance, he has the most value enhancement from his contract situation.  You both have team control of him for 4 years and you know you are getting him at a discount price during that period.  He gets more valuable as his % of the cap declines over time.

From a performance standpoint, Siakam has the biggest impact followed by OG and Dejounte in very close succession.  There is no big gap here between the latter two players especially after contract status is factored in.  

Why would Toronto get later picks when the team they are dealing with has picks before that. You’re comparing apples to oranges. 

not to mention siakam value isn’t good considering he’s an expiring and that’s why they got two horrible 24 picks. The best pick in that deal is 26 which is not looking great for them but class wise is ideal. The picks in 24 aren’t rated highly. Again you guys might not like a 29 pick but gms rate it as a premium asset. Just like they did the lakers 27 pick that they traded last year for Beasley vando and Russell. Toronto insisted on a young player that has huge upside and rj was the salary match. Not sure why you are hyping up a retool when they currently are still bad and need to tank for their pick. Immediate return on Murray does nothing. Picks to facilitate future moves does. 

[Watchman]

2 hours ago, bird_dirt said:

That’s not a good deal. The 2029 pick (five years down the road) is the only real added asset. The swap has little to no added value, since we wouldn’t be gaining an additional pick. 
D Lo is a negative asset and the Lakers should attach 1rp or multiple 2rps for taking him. 

No more second rounders.

[AHF]

14 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Why would Toronto get later picks when the team they are dealing with has picks before that. You’re comparing apples to oranges. 

 

I'm glad you've conceded that picks later in time are worth less all things being equal.  The teams that Toronto dealt with are both obvious playoff teams right now that could collapse by 2029 but Toronto wanted picks sooner than that.  Just like every team does.  Which is why the 2029 pick isn't going to get you a lot when you turn around and try to deal it for a star.

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not to mention siakam value isn’t good considering he’s an expiring and that’s why they got two horrible 24 picks. The best pick in that deal is 26 which is not looking great for them but class wise is ideal. The picks in 24 aren’t rated highly. Again you guys might not like a 29 pick but gms rate it as a premium asset. Just like they did the lakers 27 pick that they traded last year for Beasley vando and Russell. Toronto insisted on a young player that has huge upside and rj was the salary match. Not sure why you are hyping up a retool when they currently are still bad and need to tank for their pick. Immediate return on Murray does nothing. Picks to facilitate future moves does. 

Nobody rates it as a premium asset.  That is a joke.  If it was a premium asset, the Lakers would have dealt it before all the other picks they dealt so they could maximize their return in the short run.  The only reason they would be offering it to us is because it is the only pick they have left to offer.  

What matters for the Hawks right now are assets that will allow them to start next season with a core of Trae, JJ and Player to Be Named.  The Lakers 2029 pick doesn't move the ball on that front.  If our front office thinks they are going to (as in your words) "use [the Lakers 2029 pick] to facilitate a star trade for KAT or Zion or bi or whoever" they are beyond delusional.  We need a much better return than that for a trade like that and, again, it is much easier to do a trade like that with some valuable salary in it making Dejounte a better asset for that trade that the Lakers 2029 pick.  If Minnesota deals KAT it won't be to tank, it will be to try to get a good player at a lower salary.  The Lakers 2029 pick won't mean jack for them.  If NO trades Zion, they will be trying to find a piece that can be more professional and committed than Zion and help them win in the playoffs.  The Lakers 2029 pick won't help them. 

The Lakers 2029 pick is a sweetener not a core asset in any deal like that.  We need a core asset for a Murray trade in order to facilitate that next deal.  Garbage like this doesn't cut it.  Taking any deal like that is just a short walk to a complete rebuild and a Trae dump trade which is a terrible outcome for us right now.