Plausible Alternative to Teague Already on the Roster?

[sturt]

As I just said in another thread...

If it is Drew's conclusion that he is not going to commit minutes to further Teague's development this season, then Sund needs to find someone else's PG and try to make a swap. Otherwise, it's wasted roster space, and we simply cannot go into the playoffs with matador defenses at that position if we hope to go farther.

One alternative that I just thought of... has anyone already brought up the point that Damien Wilkins occasionally played PG for Seattle?

Is it plausible to think in terms of trading Teague to the highest bidder (regardless of position of the players received in return), and add Wilkins to the rotation at PG?

[terrell]

As I just said in another thread...

One alternative that I just thought of... has anyone already brought up the point that Damien Wilkins occasionally played PG for Seattle?

Is it plausible to think in terms of trading Teague to the highest bidder (regardless of position of the players received in return), and add Wilkins to the rotation at PG?

Rather use JC2 myself.

[NineOhTheRino]

JC2

[niremetal]

I'm sorry. Haven't we tried the "use a SG as PG" thing like 4 or 5 times now? And hasn't it failed every time?

[terrell]

I'm sorry. Haven't we tried the "use a SG as PG" thing like 4 or 5 times now? And hasn't it failed every time?

I take it your're referring to JJ. However, in LD's offense, you dont need a "true pg". Heck, even Bibby's a sg at this stage of his career. Edited January 24, 2011 by terrell

[niremetal]

I take it your're referring to JJ. However, in LD's offense, you dont need a "true pg". Heck, even Bibby's a sg at this stage of his career.

I was referring to JTerry, JJ, Salim, Flip, and Jamal. And Teague too. He wasn't a PG in college.

Edited January 24, 2011 by niremetal

[sturt]

Open up the roster spot to the Make-A-Wish Foundation. The production will be about the same and it will get more fans to the games.

This is just like our situation with Acie. A bunch of delusional posters who contend Acie/Teague just isn't getting enough playing time and that is the problem. Of course these delusional posters fail to realize that partly why a player doesn't get PT is because they don't deserve it since they suck. Its not some magical formula that you play someone enough minutes during regular season games and all the sudden they sprout into a real player. But just like the Acie situation, once Teague bounces around to enough teams the delusional posters stop posting about why Acie/Teague just needs more PT and we never hear about how much of a superstar Acie/Teague will become.

I'm not sure if you'd be including mwuah as part of that bunch, but I'd say it's just as delusional either way you make the call--my point has consistently been that we don't know whether it's a matter of Teague underperforming overall (in-game and in practice) so badly that Drew isn't playing him... or if it's a matter of Drew just being super conservative, preferring not to risk dropping a few more games as a result of playing Teague quality minutes in the pursuit of developing him further.

Both are just as likely as the other to be the reason.

But my point is, regardless, we know what's coming in the playoffs, and if the bottom line is that Teague isn't going to play, we sure as hell better find someone who we feel can play some defense at the point. I'm not sure that Teague is even a solution, per se, but we know what's going to happen for 40-plus minutes if we don't find some alternative to matching up Bibby on Rondo or Jameer. And I'm only suggesting here that maybe (?!?) Wilkins' defense is good enough to give him some minutes defending the point.

[coachx]

Wilkens 2nd 10 Day contract should be coming to an end any day now. Is the limit two 10 day contracts before having to sign them for the remainder of the season ?

Marvin is close to playing again.......I hope that does not cause Wilkens to lose his roster spot.

[Randy]

It is pretty interesting the Damien is getting more playing time than Teague, JC2, Powell, and ET. (In fact, probably more than all those guys put together.) Yet he's the guy who may not be around much longer.

[frosgrim]

At this point I don't see how management lets Wilkins walk. He's becoming an important part of Drew's rotation, especially given how fragile Marvin's been this year. Wilkins, however, does open-up the possibility of a trade of say Mo Evans (expiring) + another contract (Teague, Etan, Powell, ect) to get a vet PG in here. The brought in guy just has to be a defensive specialist at this point, assuming none of the starters will be traded.

[sturt]

Read yesterday that Sacramento is talking with Portland about moving Carl Landry for their #1 plus cash. Landry has the "it" factor imo... he does what he does very well, and that includes post scoring and up to 17 feet out. He's a winner and he's got a winner's on-court attitude insofar as I've gotten to see him play. Still, why Portland would do that deal is a mystery to me... they'll be drafting too high to even consider it, and it's not as-if Landry makes a huge difference in the outcome of their season.

On the other hand, Sund has that trade exception, which would accommodate a deal... though I hasten to add, there's almost no way we're sending any team a check, so SAC would have to for-go that part.

[capstone21]

JC2 is not a very good ball handler but you want him as our primary backup at pg? He dribbles with the ball out front and will be easy to steal. He has done nothing to prove he deserves pt yet. Honestly, I think the best thing we can do for him is to send him to the d-league to get some consistent minutes like Sy.

We are a contending team. If we are not going to give Teague minutes, we need to go out and find an experienced pg to backup Bibby.

[sturt]

Given that LD has been playing Jordan Crawford, its becoming clear that your second option is not true in this scenario.

That caught me by surprise... so I went back and looked it up just to be sure I wasn't away in some parallel universe, missing out.

It is true that JC2 played 24 minutes versus just 16 for Teague against NOH... a game which was just a little less forgettable for JC2 (14 pts) than for Teague (0 pts, 3/1 A/TO).

Other than that, the stats say JC2 played in 4 other games this month, and amassed a grand total of... *ahem*... 10 minutes.

Teague hasn't gotten a lot more time than that this month... 6 games this month, 35 minutes total.

I acknowledge that if you're claim was correct about JC2 getting minutes that Teague isn't getting, that indeed would say a lot about the situation. But until then, you're left to acknowledge that what I laid out is, indeed, the state of play--we don't/can't know what you seem to think you know.

But my point was, neither do I really care all that much. I just want to find someone other than Bibby to keep Nelson and Rondo within some sane level of containment in the playoffs, and if Teague isn't that guy, then that's priority one to my mind as the trade deadline nears.

[DJlaysitup]

....just this notion of "developing" a player like Teague by giving him PT (is) a bit foolish especially given how poorly Teague continues to perform.

Exactly hawksfanatic...Teague has had time and is showing nothing in particular...I think him even being a solid backup to Bibby this year is a stretch.

JC2 is a shooting guard who should be in the NBADL.

Quality is key and we need a solid NBA backup PG...we don't have one at this point IMO.

[Randy]

Exactly hawksfanatic...Teague has had time and is showing nothing in particular...I think him even being a solid backup to Bibby this year is a stretch.

JC2 is a shooting guard who should be in the NBADL.

Quality is key and we need a solid NBA backup PG...we don't have one at this point IMO.

Maybe we should get an NBADL franchise for Gwinnet, like the Gladiators. :lol6: We could just move guys back and forth. Seems like Teague, and JC2 should be there getting playing time......

[sturt]

Yes, it's very apparent that besides his inconsistent play in games, Teague evidently is not turning any heads in practice to compensate for that in any way.

On the other hand, to be fair, players tend to develop when they get consistent minutes in real games. Practice is no substitute for the real thing.

I'll say this: Until Drew commits 15-20 min/gm to Teague for 10-15 games, I really don't think Drew or anyone else will have a good understanding of whether Teague can become more than he currently is.

The athletic assets are clearly there--he has better than average speed and quickness, and as a plus, has an incredible knack for blocking shots which speaks to his hops. His history shows that he's very capable of scoring, and when his shot is falling and the other team begins having to respect that and guard him, that's when he becomes a capable assist maker as well. And the key to his shot is confidence... right now, the story is no different than last season... he has to be allowed to make mistakes and still stay on the floor, otherwise his confidence just keeps taking gut punches, which is where we're at.

Paradoxically, I think Drew's refusal to potentially sacrifice some Ws in return for Teague's potential development is ultimately what will keep this team from attaining any improvement in the post season. That's why I say, if you're not going to get anything out of his roster slot, throw his card back in the deck and see what else you can get... preferably a veteran since Drew appears to be as hesitant as Woody to allow younger guys to fill any roles.

So... we're at 20 posts in this thread now, and I"m still not sure I've gotten any better idea of what people think about Wilkins candidacy as Rondo-stopper or Jameer-stopper for the playoffs...?

Edited January 25, 2011 by sturt

[DJlaysitup]

Yes, it's very apparent that besides his inconsistent play in games, Teague evidently is not turning any heads in practice to compensate for that in any way.

On the other hand, to be fair, players tend to develop when they get consistent minutes in real games. Practice is no substitute for the real thing.

I'll say this: Until Drew commits 15-20 min/gm to Teague for 10-15 games, I really don't think Drew or anyone else will have a good understanding of whether Teague can become more than he currently is.

The athletic assets are clearly there--he has better than average speed and quickness, and as a plus, has an incredible knack for blocking shots which speaks to his hops. His history shows that he's very capable of scoring, and when his shot is falling and the other team begins having to respect that and guard him, that's when he becomes a capable assist maker as well. And the key to his shot is confidence... right now, the story is no different than last season... he has to be allowed to make mistakes and still stay on the floor, otherwise his confidence just keeps taking gut punches, which is where we're at.

Paradoxically, I think Drew's refusal to potentially sacrifice some Ws in return for Teague's potential development is ultimately what will keep this team from attaining any improvement in the post season. That's why I say, if you're not going to get anything out of his roster slot, throw his card back in the deck and see what else you can get... preferably a veteran since Drew appears to be as hesitant as Woody to allow younger guys to fill any roles.

So... we're at 20 posts in this thread now, and I"m still not sure I've gotten any better idea of what people think about Wilkins candidacy as Rondo-stopper or Jameer-stopper for the playoffs...?

Wow sturt...so much to reply to (scratching head).

No offense but don't you figure coaches see things in practice? I mean it's not all layup drills...they actually do go against each other in scrimmages. Giving a guy 15-20 minutes in 10 to 15 games is coaching suicide if the guy hasn't shown you something before.

"Athletic assets" basically puts him on par with Mario West (although shorter). Mario could dribble the ball down the court without it getting stolen and hand it off to JJ or Craw.

Yes...somehow he did score a bunch at WF...but his shot is aweful. The guy is becoming king of the O-fers. I personally don't think the key to his shot is confidence....I think the key is...he has a lousy perimeter shot. He will never be an "assist machine" when he can't threaten other teams from the perimeter.

As far as LD sacrificing wins to try and develop the 6th PG picked in the draft - well that's silly. LD should never sacrifice wins for any player...his job is to win. :kickcan:

[NineOhTheRino]

Yes, it's very apparent that besides his inconsistent play in games, Teague evidently is not turning any heads in practice to compensate for that in any way.

On the other hand, to be fair, players tend to develop when they get consistent minutes in real games. Practice is no substitute for the real thing.

I'll say this: Until Drew commits 15-20 min/gm to Teague for 10-15 games, I really don't think Drew or anyone else will have a good understanding of whether Teague can become more than he currently is.

The athletic assets are clearly there--he has better than average speed and quickness, and as a plus, has an incredible knack for blocking shots which speaks to his hops. His history shows that he's very capable of scoring, and when his shot is falling and the other team begins having to respect that and guard him, that's when he becomes a capable assist maker as well. And the key to his shot is confidence... right now, the story is no different than last season... he has to be allowed to make mistakes and still stay on the floor, otherwise his confidence just keeps taking gut punches, which is where we're at.

Paradoxically, I think Drew's refusal to potentially sacrifice some Ws in return for Teague's potential development is ultimately what will keep this team from attaining any improvement in the post season. That's why I say, if you're not going to get anything out of his roster slot, throw his card back in the deck and see what else you can get... preferably a veteran since Drew appears to be as hesitant as Woody to allow younger guys to fill any roles.

So... we're at 20 posts in this thread now, and I"m still not sure I've gotten any better idea of what people think about Wilkins candidacy as Rondo-stopper or Jameer-stopper for the playoffs...?

I stopped reading at 'Paradoxically'

brilliant assessment....as if you're reading my thoughts trough a thoughts reading machine