We could have the "Best Bench" in the NBA next year!

[JTB]

It all seems unrealistic for the hawks to get jamal back but of course most want him here. An to think how much better the hawks bench would be with him here and kirk moving to the bench along with williams! We may have the best bench in the NBA next season if we can retain Jamal. But again with all the CBA and the ASG money problems and whatever else going on in the NBA it dont look like its even possible!

With that said look at our bench with kirk and williams moving to the bench:

pg-kirk (as long as teague really steps it up)

sg-jamal (if we retain him)

sf-williams

pf-powell (if we keep him)

c-pachulia

man that looks like a great bench to me and to add no stats mvp collins and damien wilkins makes it even better. All these players can contribute in their own way!

MY Q's TO YOU

So what do you think hawksquawk! answer and explain the following q's...................

Can we argue that we have the best or a top rated bench if we keep jamal?

or do you feel kirk should be our 6th man and just let jamal walk next year?

[TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA]

I think the word great is being misused here. Also I am not part of that most that wants Jamal back. Lastly, what about Kirk really stepping it up?

[TheTruth]

How can it be "great" when 40% (Powell and Marvin) will contribute next to nothing every night?

And, I'd rather see Jamal leave and replaced with someone who can play some D and/or rebound.

Edited June 5, 2011 by TheTruth

[Colin]

I am Zaza's biggest fan. But if Drew doesn't give him steady minutes, he will probably be worthless for half the season again. :suicide:

[DrReality]

nonsense.

[Seano]

I think our bench was 'ok', but we lack true depth and are missing some pieces, like a true 3 point specialist and a defensive stopper type. When I think of great benches this past season, I think of teams like the Spurs and Bulls, as they pretty much had all the bases covered so far as benches go and they made use of their benches extensively. We were not on that level in my opinion, but then again LD often seemed pretty reluctant to use much of his bench. Etan Thomas appeared in a grand total of 13 games all season, which is just ridiculous. Players sitting on the bench should be used and given opportunity to play, I mean that's why they're there....and if a guy is so useless as to only merit getting into 13 games and playing less than 90 minutes all season, then why is he even on the team taking up a bench spot in the first place, and are there not street free agents or guys out of the NBADL who might be more useful to you than that?

[Crank]

It all seems unrealistic for the hawks to get jamal back but of course most want him here. An to think how much better the hawks bench would be with him here and kirk moving to the bench along with williams! We may have the best bench in the NBA next season if we can retain Jamal. But again with all the CBA and the ASG money problems and whatever else going on in the NBA it dont look like its even possible!

With that said look at our bench with kirk and williams moving to the bench:

pg-kirk (as long as teague really steps it up)

sg-jamal (if we retain him)

sf-williams

pf-powell (if we keep him)

c-pachulia

man that looks like a great bench to me and to add no stats mvp collins and damien wilkins makes it even better. All these players can contribute in their own way!

MY Q's TO YOU

So what do you think hawksquawk! answer and explain the following q's...................

Can we argue that we have the best or a top rated bench if we keep jamal?

or do you feel kirk should be our 6th man and just let jamal walk next year?

lipstick on a pig the Hawks way .

We try and find anyone and everyone to carry the team while clinging to the core like Heston to his gun .

This team will struggle to make the playoffs next year

[TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA]

I think our bench was 'ok', but we lack true depth and are missing some pieces, like a true 3 point specialist and a defensive stopper type. When I think of great benches this past season, I think of teams like the Spurs and Bulls, as they pretty much had all the bases covered so far as benches go and they made use of their benches extensively. We were not on that level in my opinion, but then again LD often seemed pretty reluctant to use much of his bench. Etan Thomas appeared in a grand total of 13 games all season, which is just ridiculous. Players sitting on the bench should be used and given opportunity to play, I mean that's why they're there....and if a guy is so useless as to only merit getting into 13 games and playing less than 90 minutes all season, then why is he even on the team taking up a bench spot in the first place, and are there not street free agents or guys out of the NBADL who might be more useful to you than that?

Totally agree, a lot people will say they think 2nd rd picks are worthless but that is why I was so against trading that earlier second rd pick we had last year for cash that they obviously never put to use for anything that would help the team. Heck we could not even get playoff t shirts until game 6 second round. We could have taken a legit 7 fter with that pick which was 31 or 32 last year. Paid him what we wanted which would be less than Etan, Josh Powell, Jason Collins, or Hilton and let him sit at the end of the bench. Atleast you have potential sitting at the end of your bench and you can pay them much less.

[Seano]

No way are second round picks worthless. There are productive players chosen every season in the second round, and sometimes even star players. You just have to commit to developing them and playing them through all their ups and downs, similar to how the Spurs do it with their young and lowly drafted players. Not every second rounder is going to be a player obviously, just as not every lotto pick will, but you should be able to teach these guys to play and at the very least man the end of an NBA bench. And yeah, ideally that's what your bench should be composed of, your own cheap draftees developed to be players, rather than having to go out and piss away money on middling (or worse) free agents.

[Diesel]

No way are second round picks worthless. There are productive players chosen every season in the second round, and sometimes even star players. You just have to commit to developing them and playing them through all their ups and downs, similar to how the Spurs do it with their young and lowly drafted players. Not every second rounder is going to be a player obviously, just as not every lotto pick will, but you should be able to teach these guys to play and at the very least man the end of an NBA bench. And yeah, ideally that's what your bench should be composed of, your own cheap draftees developed to be players, rather than having to go out and piss away money on middling (or worse) free agents.

BS... More than 1/2 of second round teams don't make the team.

Finding good players in the 2nd round is hard. Not impossible... However, that doesn't make those picks any more important.

[Randy]

BS... More than 1/2 of second round teams don't make the team.

Finding good players in the 2nd round is hard. Not impossible... However, that doesn't make those picks any more important.

Migth be better to call second round picks "Lottery picks". Its a bit of a crap shoot as to which guys end up making it, but it does seem like each year there are a few who do make it and become good players.

[ATLNY7]

Our bench will probably look the same as this past season. Crawford would be our only scoring punch off the bench if he comes back. How are we going to have a great bench? We don't have a bench anywhere near as good as Dallas' bench, and they have one of the best in the NBA. We need more scoring and energy guys off the bench to be considered one of the best. Marvin Williams hasn't been good off the bench. We need to replace him fast if he's not bringing a lot of production off the bench.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

It all seems unrealistic for the hawks to get jamal back but of course most want him here. An to think how much better the hawks bench would be with him here and kirk moving to the bench along with williams! We may have the best bench in the NBA next season if we can retain Jamal. But again with all the CBA and the ASG money problems and whatever else going on in the NBA it dont look like its even possible!

With that said look at our bench with kirk and williams moving to the bench:

pg-kirk (as long as teague really steps it up)

sg-jamal (if we retain him)

sf-williams

pf-powell (if we keep him)

c-pachulia

man that looks like a great bench to me and to add no stats mvp collins and damien wilkins makes it even better. All these players can contribute in their own way!

MY Q's TO YOU

So what do you think hawksquawk! answer and explain the following q's...................

Can we argue that we have the best or a top rated bench if we keep jamal?

or do you feel kirk should be our 6th man and just let jamal walk next year?

That is nowhere close to the best bench in the NBA. That's not even a top 10 bench. People can't dog Marvin in one breath, and act like he'll be some great player off the bench in another breath.

Edited June 5, 2011 by northcyde

[JTB]

LOL....so most responses are what i thought they would be but only reason i said we could have a great bench is because we have a guy like kirk who could run the offense on the bench and play some great defense, we get jamal back and that would be of course our main scoring punch, marvin to me was actually better off the bench this season most of you disagree, powell can provide something if he get the minutes, and zaza is our all hustle man which is needed. Then we got collins and wilkins who are both pretty good defenders.

now to compare all that with other benches we are def in the top 10! maybe not the best but def in the top 10. We speak highly on the bulls but when we look at their bench the only thing they have better than us is a guy like korver who can hit 3's but he plays no defense and he can only shoot but we want to get rid of jamal because he plays no defense yet he can score in a variety of ways. SMH....same goes for benches like the mavs they are just better 3 point shooters we match with these benches when it comes to defense, jamal is the only prob but since he can score so well adjustments can be made around that

[TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA]

BS... More than 1/2 of second round teams don't make the team.

Finding good players in the 2nd round is hard. Not impossible... However, that doesn't make those picks any more important.

You missed the whole point. 2nd round picks are not even guaranteed contracts. We signed Josh Powell, Etan, and Jason Collins to guaranteed contracts, then picked up Hilton's guaranteed contract. Even if you pick up a guy like Hassan Whiteside, Solomon Alabi, Jerome Jordan, all whom we could have drafted with that pick which was 31 or 32 last season and send them to the D League, we have potential for less money and non guaranteed at the end of our roster as opposed to a body that you have no intention of playing anyway.So, how does getting a player that could be better down the road for cheaper, whom also has a non guaranteed contract, not hold more value than getting players whom have no upside and signing them to more costly guaranteed contracts?

Edited June 5, 2011 by TRUEINTELLECTPLAYA