Josh Smith vs. The World.

[Joker]

I don't really like to use one on one matchups as a sole basis for gauging who's better, but they do tell alot. That being said, go back and actually watch Smith play against Love, Griffin and Aldridge. He couldn't guard any of them.

Love v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Kevin-Love-vs-Josh-Smith|201567,2746;year=201011;season=rLMA v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#LaMarcus-Aldridge-vs-Josh-Smith|200746,2746;year=201011;season=rGriffin v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Blake-Griffin-vs-Josh-Smith|201933,2746;year=201011;season=rJosh got the better of them. He seems to step up v. his class outside of TD and Garnett who get the best of Smith.

[Jody23]

Love v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Kevin-Love-vs-Josh-Smith|201567,2746;year=201011;season=rLMA v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#LaMarcus-Aldridge-vs-Josh-Smith|200746,2746;year=201011;season=rGriffin v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Blake-Griffin-vs-Josh-Smith|201933,2746;year=201011;season=rJosh got the better of them. He seems to step up v. his class outside of TD and Garnett who get the best of Smith.

Without looking at the stats, did you watch those games? In Atlanta, both Love and Griffin wore Smith out. He couldn't guard them.

[Joker]

Without looking at the stats, did you watch those games? In Atlanta, both Love and Griffin wore Smith out. He couldn't guard them.

I watched, I thought he played better than them and the adv stats agree.

[Joker]

Love took per36 almost 20 shots and scored 23 points. Smith 17 shots to score 22 and his defensive numbers stand out. The blocks on Love which always gets Love is he isn't that great on the block regardless of his massive move-set.

[Joker]

I am still waiting to hear why Love and Griffin are better than Smith. Don't tell me why they are better fits, I agree but I am saying why are they better players?

[Admin]

Love v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/a...201011;season=r

LMA v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/a...201011;season=r

Griffin v. Smith: http://www.nba.com/a...201011;season=r

Josh got the better of them. He seems to step up v. his class outside of TD and Garnett who get the best of Smith.

You had the 2010-2011 season on those links.

2011-2012

Love > Smith

Aldridge > Smith

Griffin = Smith

[Admin]

I am still waiting to hear why Love and Griffin are better than Smith. Don't tell me why they are better fits, I agree but I am saying why are they better players?

All 4 of those guys are better scorers than Josh. Love and Aldridge are superior rebounders. Josh is arguably the best defender of the group.

[Joker]

You had the 2010-2011 season on those links.

2011-2012

Love > Smith

Aldridge > Smith

Griffin = Smith

Well, I was hoping you didn't notice that but LMA and Smith were close. Love>>>Smith. Griffin and Smith were close.

[EazyRoc]

Because blocking shots is for NBA2K12 and is not defense. Its like a steal at best. 1.8 steals aint shit and do not get you on a all defensive or all NBA team.His blocking out and offensive rebounding suck. Now add in his piss poor offense and you have a player who looks great once every five games and very average for the rest.

Defensive Win Shares.

[Jody23]

I am still waiting to hear why Love and Griffin are better than Smith. Don't tell me why they are better fits, I agree but I am saying why are they better players?

So Love goes for 30 and 13 vs Smith's 8 and 8 in Atlanta. Griffin goes for 36 and 8 vs Smith's 18 and 10 in Atlanta. You're telling me you WATCHED those games and your conclusion is that Smith got the better of them? Edited June 7, 2012 by Jody23

[Joker]

Got cha

[Admin]

Well, I was hoping you didn't notice that but LMA and Smith were close. Love>>>Smith. Griffin and Smith were close.

LA was +3.9 while Josh was -3.9. I don't really consider that close. Griffin and Smith were indeed essentially equal. No need to try and be disingenuous with your stats to try and prove your point. There are too many people here who will catch things like that to get away with it.

[Joker]

So Love goes for 30 and 13 vs Smith's 8 and 8 in Atlanta. Griffin goes for 36 and 8 vs Smith's 18 and 10 in Atlanta. You're telling me you WATCHED those games and your conclusion is that Smith got the better of them?

We won one of the games. His team defense and clutch play helped us. Griffin will put up stats. Look at our defRTG and look at Smoove.http://www.nba.com/a...201112;season=rhttp://www.nba.com/advancedstats/team-vs-player.html#Clippers-vs-Josh-Smith|1610612746,2746;year=201112;season=r Edited June 7, 2012 by Joker

[Joker]

LA was +3.9 while Josh was -3.9. I don't really consider that close. Griffin and Smith were indeed essentially equal.No need to try and be disingenuous with your stats to try and prove your point. There are too many people here who will catch things like that to get away with it.

They really aren't close and I was wrong. Edited June 7, 2012 by Joker

[Admin]

They really aren't close and I was wrong. Smith had a better game v. LAC when you look at the defensive impact.

I am glad that you can admit when you are wrong!And yes Josh was much better vs the Clippers.

[Jody23]

We won one of the games. His team defense and clutch play helped us. Griffin will put up stats. Look at our defRTG and look at Smoove.http://www.nba.com/a...201112;season=rhttp://www.nba.com/advancedstats/team-vs-player.html#Clippers-vs-Josh-Smith|1610612746,2746;year=201112;season=r

I'm not talking about what team won or lost. I'm talking about actually watching him guard those guys. He got ripped. Period.

[Admin]

I'm not talking about what team won or lost. I'm talking about actually watching him guard those guys. He got ripped. Period.

In all fairness, there probably isn't a PF in the game capable of stopping Blake.

 

By Opponent	GP	MIN	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
vs. Atlanta	2	35.5	11.0-16.0	.688	0.0-0.0	.000	2.0-4.0	.500	3.5	5.5	9.0	3.5	0.5	0.0	4.0	3.5	24.0
vs. Boston	1	35.0	9.0-15.0	.600	0.0-1.0	.000	6.0-8.0	.750	3.0	6.0	9.0	4.0	1.0	0.0	4.0	2.0	24.0
vs. Charlotte	1	31.0	7.0-14.0	.500	0.0-0.0	.000	7.0-8.0	.875	2.0	8.0	10.0	3.0	1.0	0.0	0.0	2.0	21.0
vs. Chicago	1	42.0	14.0-25.0	.560	0.0-0.0	.000	6.0-10.0	.600	6.0	7.0	13.0	3.0	0.0	1.0	1.0	2.0	34.0
vs. Cleveland	1	37.0	8.0-16.0	.500	0.0-0.0	.000	9.0-10.0	.900	5.0	10.0	15.0	1.0	0.0	1.0	6.0	1.0	25.0
vs. Dallas	3	37.3	7.3-14.3	.512	0.0-0.0	.000	1.7-7.3	.227	3.0	10.3	13.3	3.3	0.7	0.3	3.7	2.7	16.3
vs. Denver	4	34.8	8.0-14.5	.552	0.0-0.3	.000	2.5-6.0	.417	3.0	6.3	9.3	3.8	1.3	1.0	3.5	2.0	18.5
vs. Detroit	1	39.0	7.0-13.0	.538	0.0-1.0	.000	3.0-7.0	.429	2.0	9.0	11.0	1.0	1.0	1.0	5.0	3.0	17.0
vs. Golden State	4	34.0	8.8-15.3	.574	0.0-0.8	.000	5.0-10.3	.488	3.8	5.5	9.3	2.3	0.8	0.8	3.5	2.3	22.5
vs. Houston	3	33.7	7.3-14.0	.524	0.0-0.0	.000	3.3-6.0	.556	2.7	6.7	9.3	3.3	0.7	2.0	3.0	2.0	18.0
vs. Indiana	1	35.0	10.0-18.0	.556	1.0-1.0	1.000	2.0-7.0	.286	4.0	6.0	10.0	1.0	0.0	0.0	3.0	1.0	23.0
vs. LA Lakers	3	38.0	9.7-18.7	.518	0.0-0.0	.000	1.7-4.0	.417	5.3	7.0	12.3	2.0	0.0	0.3	4.0	2.7	21.0
vs. Miami	1	41.0	9.0-23.0	.391	1.0-1.0	1.000	1.0-4.0	.250	4.0	8.0	12.0	2.0	1.0	1.0	5.0	2.0	20.0
vs. Milwaukee	1	40.0	8.0-15.0	.533	0.0-0.0	.000	6.0-11.0	.545	3.0	11.0	14.0	1.0	2.0	1.0	2.0	5.0	22.0
vs. Minnesota	4	37.5	9.0-17.5	.514	0.0-0.3	.000	6.0-10.8	.558	4.3	6.3	10.5	3.5	0.5	0.8	3.3	2.5	24.0
vs. New Jersey	2	39.5	9.0-15.0	.600	0.0-0.0	.000	7.5-15.0	.500	6.0	9.5	15.5	2.5	1.0	1.5	3.0	3.0	25.5
vs. New Orleans	3	35.7	7.3-13.0	.564	0.0-0.0	.000	6.0-10.3	.581	4.7	6.3	11.0	3.0	0.0	1.7	3.7	1.0	20.7
vs. New York	1	41.0	11.0-14.0	.786	0.0-1.0	.000	7.0-14.0	.500	3.0	7.0	10.0	6.0	0.0	2.0	4.0	1.0	29.0
vs. Oklahoma City	4	34.8	6.3-14.3	.439	0.0-0.0	.000	3.0-4.8	.632	2.0	7.3	9.3	4.5	1.8	1.0	3.3	2.3	15.5
vs. Orlando	1	45.0	6.0-11.0	.545	0.0-0.0	.000	6.0-7.0	.857	1.0	9.0	10.0	3.0	1.0	1.0	2.0	1.0	18.0
vs. Philadelphia	1	40.0	8.0-19.0	.421	0.0-0.0	.000	0.0-2.0	.000	4.0	7.0	11.0	4.0	0.0	1.0	2.0	1.0	16.0
vs. Phoenix	4	35.5	9.5-18.3	.521	0.0-0.8	.000	2.3-4.0	.563	2.5	7.5	10.0	2.8	1.3	0.5	3.0	2.3	21.3
vs. Portland	4	38.0	8.0-14.3	.561	0.0-0.0	.000	3.8-6.0	.625	3.3	9.0	12.3	2.5	0.3	0.5	4.5	3.0	19.8
vs. Sacramento	3	34.3	8.7-12.7	.684	0.0-0.3	.000	1.0-4.3	.231	2.3	8.3	10.7	3.3	0.3	1.0	2.0	2.0	18.3
vs. San Antonio	3	37.3	9.0-17.0	.529	0.0-0.0	.000	3.7-5.7	.647	4.3	8.3	12.7	2.0	0.0	0.0	4.0	1.7	21.7
vs. Utah	3	33.7	9.7-16.7	.580	0.0-0.0	.000	2.3-4.3	.538	2.0	9.0	11.0	3.7	1.7	0.7	3.0	2.3	21.7
vs. Washington	2	33.0	10.0-17.0	.588	0.0-0.0	.000	2.0-6.0	.333	4.5	8.5	13.0	5.5	0.5	1.5	3.0	2.5	22.0
vs. Toronto	1	31.0	6.0-11.0	.545	0.0-0.0	.000	6.0-14.0	.429	0.0	9.0	9.0	3.0	1.0	1.0	1.0	3.0	18.0
vs. Memphis	3	37.3	7.7-12.3	.622	0.0-0.7	.000	4.3-7.7	.565	1.7	6.7	8.3	5.3	1.0	0.7	2.3	2.7	19.7

 

[Joker]

I'm not talking about what team won or lost. I'm talking about actually watching him guard those guys. He got ripped. Period.

Griffin always get the best of us. He is an offensive talent, he can score at will even without a go to move. Love is much better with Rubio. Rubio create a lot of open looks and favorable positions for Love. I didn't see what was so special when LMA played Smith. If LMA won the match-up, the team defense Smith played was critical as well which goes back to my point. We all know all four of these guys are extremely talented but why give credit to just them and not Smith. What he is doing is special as well. He is the only player since KG in 04 to have the numbers he had this year.

In all fairness, there probably isn't a PF in the game capable of stopping Blake. By Opponent GP MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% OR DR REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS vs. Atlanta 2 35.5 11.0-16.0 .688 0.0-0.0 .000 2.0-4.0 .500 3.5 5.5 9.0 3.5 0.5 0.0 4.0 3.5 24.0 vs. Boston 1 35.0 9.0-15.0 .600 0.0-1.0 .000 6.0-8.0 .750 3.0 6.0 9.0 4.0 1.0 0.0 4.0 2.0 24.0 vs. Charlotte 1 31.0 7.0-14.0 .500 0.0-0.0 .000 7.0-8.0 .875 2.0 8.0 10.0 3.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 2.0 21.0 vs. Chicago 1 42.0 14.0-25.0 .560 0.0-0.0 .000 6.0-10.0 .600 6.0 7.0 13.0 3.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 34.0 vs. Cleveland 1 37.0 8.0-16.0 .500 0.0-0.0 .000 9.0-10.0 .900 5.0 10.0 15.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 6.0 1.0 25.0 vs. Dallas 3 37.3 7.3-14.3 .512 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-7.3 .227 3.0 10.3 13.3 3.3 0.7 0.3 3.7 2.7 16.3 vs. Denver 4 34.8 8.0-14.5 .552 0.0-0.3 .000 2.5-6.0 .417 3.0 6.3 9.3 3.8 1.3 1.0 3.5 2.0 18.5 vs. Detroit 1 39.0 7.0-13.0 .538 0.0-1.0 .000 3.0-7.0 .429 2.0 9.0 11.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 5.0 3.0 17.0 vs. Golden State 4 34.0 8.8-15.3 .574 0.0-0.8 .000 5.0-10.3 .488 3.8 5.5 9.3 2.3 0.8 0.8 3.5 2.3 22.5 vs. Houston 3 33.7 7.3-14.0 .524 0.0-0.0 .000 3.3-6.0 .556 2.7 6.7 9.3 3.3 0.7 2.0 3.0 2.0 18.0 vs. Indiana 1 35.0 10.0-18.0 .556 1.0-1.0 1.000 2.0-7.0 .286 4.0 6.0 10.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 3.0 1.0 23.0 vs. LA Lakers 3 38.0 9.7-18.7 .518 0.0-0.0 .000 1.7-4.0 .417 5.3 7.0 12.3 2.0 0.0 0.3 4.0 2.7 21.0 vs. Miami 1 41.0 9.0-23.0 .391 1.0-1.0 1.000 1.0-4.0 .250 4.0 8.0 12.0 2.0 1.0 1.0 5.0 2.0 20.0 vs. Milwaukee 1 40.0 8.0-15.0 .533 0.0-0.0 .000 6.0-11.0 .545 3.0 11.0 14.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 2.0 5.0 22.0 vs. Minnesota 4 37.5 9.0-17.5 .514 0.0-0.3 .000 6.0-10.8 .558 4.3 6.3 10.5 3.5 0.5 0.8 3.3 2.5 24.0 vs. New Jersey 2 39.5 9.0-15.0 .600 0.0-0.0 .000 7.5-15.0 .500 6.0 9.5 15.5 2.5 1.0 1.5 3.0 3.0 25.5 vs. New Orleans 3 35.7 7.3-13.0 .564 0.0-0.0 .000 6.0-10.3 .581 4.7 6.3 11.0 3.0 0.0 1.7 3.7 1.0 20.7 vs. New York 1 41.0 11.0-14.0 .786 0.0-1.0 .000 7.0-14.0 .500 3.0 7.0 10.0 6.0 0.0 2.0 4.0 1.0 29.0 vs. Oklahoma City 4 34.8 6.3-14.3 .439 0.0-0.0 .000 3.0-4.8 .632 2.0 7.3 9.3 4.5 1.8 1.0 3.3 2.3 15.5 vs. Orlando 1 45.0 6.0-11.0 .545 0.0-0.0 .000 6.0-7.0 .857 1.0 9.0 10.0 3.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 18.0 vs. Philadelphia 1 40.0 8.0-19.0 .421 0.0-0.0 .000 0.0-2.0 .000 4.0 7.0 11.0 4.0 0.0 1.0 2.0 1.0 16.0 vs. Phoenix 4 35.5 9.5-18.3 .521 0.0-0.8 .000 2.3-4.0 .563 2.5 7.5 10.0 2.8 1.3 0.5 3.0 2.3 21.3 vs. Portland 4 38.0 8.0-14.3 .561 0.0-0.0 .000 3.8-6.0 .625 3.3 9.0 12.3 2.5 0.3 0.5 4.5 3.0 19.8 vs. Sacramento 3 34.3 8.7-12.7 .684 0.0-0.3 .000 1.0-4.3 .231 2.3 8.3 10.7 3.3 0.3 1.0 2.0 2.0 18.3 vs. San Antonio 3 37.3 9.0-17.0 .529 0.0-0.0 .000 3.7-5.7 .647 4.3 8.3 12.7 2.0 0.0 0.0 4.0 1.7 21.7 vs. Utah 3 33.7 9.7-16.7 .580 0.0-0.0 .000 2.3-4.3 .538 2.0 9.0 11.0 3.7 1.7 0.7 3.0 2.3 21.7 vs. Washington 2 33.0 10.0-17.0 .588 0.0-0.0 .000 2.0-6.0 .333 4.5 8.5 13.0 5.5 0.5 1.5 3.0 2.5 22.0 vs. Toronto 1 31.0 6.0-11.0 .545 0.0-0.0 .000 6.0-14.0 .429 0.0 9.0 9.0 3.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 3.0 18.0 vs. Memphis 3 37.3 7.7-12.3 .622 0.0-0.7 .000 4.3-7.7 .565 1.7 6.7 8.3 5.3 1.0 0.7 2.3 2.7 19.7

Not to mention CP3 is his PG.

[coachx]

With the exception of Ibaka.

[Joker]

Griffin seems to struggle v. big PF's.