The Hawks Cycle

[benhillboy]

Finally a peek into Bud's philosophy on paper:

Everything is solid IMO besides "finishing D". Way too many inexcusable open looks from 3 given up and the problems on the glass I'm afraid we're just going to have to live with. I've always been impressed with the transition D: for a mediocre team athletically, we always limit fast break points because we run hard, which is probably the main ideal that could go in the middle of the cycle along with never playing the scoreboard. Sorry I butchered the picture, I'm no Lethal.

Edited December 3, 2014 by benhillboy

[DrReality]

Love the 4th quarter mentality we are developing. It's classic Spurs

[Dnice]

Speaking of the 4th, I saw somewhere, they lead the league in 4th quarter points.

[macdaddy]

Speaking of the 4th, I saw somewhere, they lead the league in 4th quarter points.

 

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/4th-quarter-points-per-game

[Diesel]

More interesting is that we're first in the league in Assist per possession and assist per made FG.  2nd in Assist per game. 

[Diesel]

Our rebounding sucks.

We're #28 in defensive rebounding %

and #26 in opponent's rebounding.

 

San Anton is #1 in both categories.  That's the difference.

[macdaddy]

Our rebounding sucks.

We're #28 in defensive rebounding %

and #26 in opponent's rebounding.

 

San Anton is #1 in both categories.  That's the difference.

 

I don't think that's exactly right unless i'm looking at the wrong %.   Looks like we've climbed to 21 in defensive rebounding and SA is #3.  Still a wide gap

[Admin]

As long as both of our bigs play away from the rim so much, vs the Spurs bigs who mostly play in the paint, we're never gonna be a big rebounding team. 

[NBASupes]

As long as both of our bigs play away from the rim so much, vs the Spurs bigs who mostly play in the paint, we're never gonna be a big rebounding team. 

As it stands. 

 

Millsap is an all around 6'8 265 undersized PF. Sap does have longer arms than Horf.

Horford is a 6'10 245 movement PF. 

 

Duncan is 7ft 260 PF with elite measurables 

Splitter is a 7ft 250 center

[Peoriabird]

As it stands. 

 

Millsap is an all around 6'8 265 undersized PF. Sap does have longer arms than Horf.

Horford is a 6'10 245 movement PF. 

 

Duncan is 7ft 260 PF with elite measurables 

Splitter is a 7ft 250 center

 

Rebounding isn't always about Height

[NBASupes]

 

Rebounding isn't always about Height

True but they are very good rebounders as well and they have plus rebounders are other positions as well. 

[AHF]

 

Rebounding isn't always about Height

 

Rebounding isn't but interior defense usually is largely about size.  Stick Rodman at center and he would still kill on the boards but he would struggle like h#*$ to defend against the good centers of his era whereas he really frustrated most good power forwards on D.  

 

Rodman, however, he was on rosters with numerous guys 6'11'' or higher (usually 4 or 5 of those guys in Detroit), multiple 7 footers every year in Chicago, David Robinson in SA, etc.  

 

A frontcourt of Rodman at C and Barkley at PF would have done fine on the boards but gotten dominated on D.

Edited December 3, 2014 by AHF

[NBASupes]

Rebounding isn't but interior defense usually is largely about size.  Stick Rodman at center and he would still kill on the boards but he would struggle like h#*$ to defend against the good centers of his era whereas he really frustrated most good power forwards on D.  

 

Rodman, however, he was on rosters with numerous guys 6'11'' or higher (usually 4 or 5 of those guys in Detroit), multiple 7 footers every year in Chicago, David Robinson in SA, etc.  

 

A frontcourt of Rodman at C and Barkley at PF would have done fine on the boards but gotten dominated on D.

Five star post. 

[Peoriabird]

Rebounding isn't but interior defense usually is largely about size.  Stick Rodman at center and he would still kill on the boards but he would struggle like h#*$ to defend against the good centers of his era whereas he really frustrated most good power forwards on D.  

 

Rodman, however, he was on rosters with numerous guys 6'11'' or higher (usually 4 or 5 of those guys in Detroit), multiple 7 footers every year in Chicago, David Robinson in SA, etc.  

 

A frontcourt of Rodman at C and Barkley at PF would have done fine on the boards but gotten dominated on D.

 

Hey I'm tall...How come we suck at defense so badly???

[AHF]

 

Hey I'm tall...How come we suck at defense so badly???

 

Not every tall guy is a good interior defender.  Nearly every guy who isn't tall enough is a bad defender.

 

Just because all eagles are birds doesn't mean all birds are eagles.  

 

You can get too cute with this stuff if you want.  This post falls in that area for me because it seems like you are suggesting that interior size isn't key on defense because some guys who are tall aren't good defenders.  I think you know much better.

Edited December 3, 2014 by AHF

[Admin]

As it stands. 

 

Millsap is an all around 6'8 265 undersized PF. Sap does have longer arms than Horf.

Horford is a 6'10 245 movement PF. 

 

Duncan is 7ft 260 PF with elite measurables 

Splitter is a 7ft 250 center

 

None of that amounts to a hill of beans. There's tons of examples of undersized big time rebounders. Horford and Sap are both good rebounders, in fact Sap is an elite one when he plays around the rim. The guy led the NCAA in rebounds for 3 years in college. But both guys are often outside of the paint and it's difficult to get rebounds there. On the other hand Duncan and Splitter are often in the paint on both ends of the floor and both gobble up a lot of offensive rebounds. 

[Admin]

Not every tall guy is a good interior defender.  Nearly every guy who isn't tall enough is a bad defender.

 

Just because all eagles are birds doesn't mean all birds are eagles.  

 

You can get too cute with this stuff if you want.  This post falls in that area for me because it seems like you are suggesting that interior size isn't key on defense because some guys who are tall aren't good defenders.  I think you know much better.

 

This is certainly true. Looking at the past 3 years, with the exception of one year by Boozer, there's been 20 forwards and centers with a DRating of 100 or less (which is better) who've played at least 25 mpg and all of them have been centers. 

 

			Per Game
Rk	Player	Season	MP	TRB	STL	BLK	DRtg
1	Marcin Gortat	2014-15	30.9	8.9	0.8	1.4	100
2	Al Jefferson	2013-14	35.0	10.8	0.9	1.1	100
3	Roy Hibbert	2014-15	28.5	8.0	0.3	2.7	99
4	DeAndre Jordan	2014-15	32.8	11.6	1.0	2.4	99
5	Joakim Noah	2012-13	36.8	11.1	1.2	2.1	99
6	Emeka Okafor	2012-13	26.0	8.8	0.6	1.0	99
7	Carlos Boozer	2013-14	28.2	8.3	0.7	0.3	98
8	Anthony Davis	2014-15	36.7	11.3	2.3	3.1	98
9	Tim Duncan	2013-14	29.2	9.7	0.6	1.9	98
10	Marc Gasol	2012-13	35.0	7.8	1.0	1.7	98
11	Roy Hibbert	2013-14	29.7	6.6	0.4	2.2	98
12	DeAndre Jordan	2013-14	35.0	13.6	1.0	2.5	98
13	Marc Gasol	2014-15	35.0	8.1	1.2	1.5	97
14	Roy Hibbert	2012-13	28.7	8.3	0.5	2.6	97
15	Andrew Bogut	2013-14	26.4	10.0	0.7	1.8	96
16	Joakim Noah	2013-14	35.3	11.3	1.2	1.5	96
17	Tim Duncan	2012-13	30.1	9.9	0.7	2.7	95
18	Dwight Howard	2014-15	33.5	11.3	0.8	2.3	95
19	Tim Duncan	2014-15	29.9	9.9	0.9	2.1	93
20	Andrew Bogut	2014-15	26.1	9.3	0.8	2.2	91

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Generated 12/3/2014.