Monta or Carroll? Thoughts..

[LastDon]

I think for 12 Million I would rather have Ellis..We could move Korver to the Bench start Monta at the 2 with Sefalosha at the 3..Use Korver, Bazemore and a big Wing out the draft,for insurance in case the Teague/Ellis backcourt is too small..

I'm sorry but we need more bang for our buck for 12 million real talk..I love Carroll but no..

Edited June 12, 2015 by LastDon

[sturt]

Maybe someone else if you really can't stand DMC, but not Ellis. His game and Bud's system are oil and water.

[capstone21]

Monta ... Ugh

[yungsta]

nah we need more of a two way player at SG.

[ATLHawks3]

Maybe in a 6th man role.

[bigjmw84]

I would definitely take ellis if they both have the same price tag. Ellis could be lethal in this offense with all the open looks he would receive as well as his ability to score effortlessly off the dribble.

His defense is no worse than Kyle Korver and he was serviceable. It would allow Korver to play the 6th man role

[LastDon]

I would definitely take ellis if they both have the same price tag. Ellis could be lethal in this offense with all the open looks he would receive as well as his ability to score effortlessly off the dribble.

His defense is no worse than Kyle Korver and he was serviceable. It would allow Korver to play the 6th man role

I agree I would love to see Ellis play in this pace and Space offense..

[AHF]

Give me a solid 2-way player in DMC over a one dimensional guy who needs to dominate the ball and is prone to bad shot selection in Ellis.

[RamblinCharger]

I'd take Ellis. The system makes guys better, and Ellis has gotten better and better and could be the scorer that we need. He could be a little more selfish than other guys and get away with it, and we could just have sefalosha and maybe our pick play the 3. I think we could be a better team with that lineup and with Korver coming off the bench. If we could sign milsap back at whatever his number is before it counts against our cap, and then sign Ellis and a decent big guy to come off the bench, not named Pero I would be happy with that off season.

[bigjmw84]

Sign Monroe/Ellis

Trade up in the draft for a game changing Wing for the future.

[sturt]

Yikes.

 

All I can conclude is that some of our number still aren't totally persuaded that this is a SA culture now, which contraindicates picking up iso players... and just as importantly, which means that you do your best to hold on to your starters and promote continuity.

[Dakin]

Weren't we pining for this guy like 2 years ago? When he was playing for the team that's about to win the Championship.

Edited June 12, 2015 by Dakin

[ATLHawks3]

We desperately need that Manu type off the bench to give us some needed scoring punch. I don't know if at $12 million, Monta should be an option. Guys like Afflalo and Wesley Matthews are the type of players that would be considerably cheaper, while also being a fit for our ball club.

[Dakin]

Uh, Monta is not in the same universe as Manu, despite the similarity in their names.

[ATLHawks3]

Uh, Monta is not in the same universe as Manu, despite the similarity in their names.

 

Of course not. But they both have one thing in common; they are terrific scorers.

[Dakin]

Of course not. But they both have one thing in common; they are terrific scorers.

Sure but Manu does much more. Eliis seems like a great 6th man for an 8th seed for the rest of his career.

[BigDog90]

I think for 12 Million I would rather have Ellis..We could move Korver to the Bench start Monta at the 2 with Sefalosha at the 3..Use Korver, Bazemore and a big Wing out the draft,for insurance in case the Teague/Ellis backcourt is too small..

I'm sorry but we need more bang for our buck for 12 million real talk..I love Carroll but no..

I know the Hawks had interest in Ellis in the past but I don't think him and Teague were ever meant to play together. Monta on the Hawks wouldn't work unless he's the primary ballhandler. 

[MaceCase]

There's already a guy on the team named Dennis that can give you what you're expecting out of Monta. And let's try and pretend that the team didn't get rid of a guy named Louis in order to pursue bigger and more two dimensional wings either.

[Guest]

There's already a guy on the team named Dennis that can give you what you're expecting out of Monta. And let's try and pretend that the team didn't get rid of a guy named Louis in order to pursue bigger and more two dimensional wings either.

 

That's actually true.  Dennis can't score at all like Ellis, but the rest of your point is spot on.

[JTB]

I think for 12 Million I would rather have Ellis..We could move Korver to the Bench start Monta at the 2 with Sefalosha at the 3..Use Korver, Bazemore and a big Wing out the draft,for insurance in case the Teague/Ellis backcourt is too small..

I'm sorry but we need more bang for our buck for 12 million real talk..I love Carroll but no..

Yeah many will disagree with you on this but the fact that bud and ferry had interest in this guy just 2 years ago I would say Ellis may be a real legit target just like Monroe but at the right price.

Ellis does have a bad reputation as far as chunking up shots and what not but he has drastically improved these past two years and could have easily made the all star game as a reserve. Plus I give him a lot of credit with fitting in with Dirk...those two played great together these past two years.

As far as comparing Ellis to demarre I mean it's a toss up but we have to look at it like this. We all know Ellis is a far better offensive player who's actually been efficient these past two years and we all know DMC has been a journey man throughout his whole career until he landed in the ATL and became a legit 3&D player not to mention one of the better ones at that and he's millions times better than Ellis on defense.

But now you must ask yourself this? Doing what each player does best....who provides more impact?

Can we honestly say DMC's good defense and good 3 ball shooting creates more impact than Ellis's scoring ability?....News flash DMC isn't the kind of lock down defender Tony Allen is so I would honestly say Ellis is the more impactful player by far especially when he gets going with his scoring. Though defense would drop off in a major way without Carroll we can patch it up with thabo starting and get another veteran defense minded SF like Dhantay jones or mickel pietrus as defense guy when needed but we could have Bazemore as the primary backup SF (he did a good job playing it when he had to this season)

I really like the idea of getting Ellis cause I know he will listen to bud, be more team oriented and leave it all on the court! Plus he fixes a scoring problem that we do have and as long as he comes to play along with this lineup:

Pg-Teague

Sg-Monte Ellis

Sf-Thabo

Pf-Sap

C-Horford

Bench

Pg-Dennis

Sg-Bazemore (defense specialist aka buds new 3&D guy after training camp)

Sf-Korver (introducing the 2015-2016 sixth man of the year)

Pf-Moose

C- Big Edy or Koufus (or another free agent legit big that can make impact on defense and rebounds....I would even take Samuel dalembert just to see if he has something left in the tank)

Ellis fills a need like it or not...There you have it!

-Stagnant offense Every blue moon...give it to Monte, Teague, or Sap.

-too many inside shots...throw in dalembert or koufus or whatever free agent big next to sap or horford and try to neutralize it.

-bench was too weak in scoring last year....now you have korver a huge potential sixth man, another year of development for Dennis & Bazemore, and moose getting a lot more minutes

-passive Teague out of no where.... heeerrrrreesss Monte and throw in Dennis if it all goes to hell

-need defense on the perimeter?....take out Ellis and throw in Bazemore along with Teague and Thabo (not too bad of a lineup to go to at all)...if it starts to get terribly bad sit Teague and put Dennis in.

-need more penetration in the lane?....Teague & Ellis combo cannot be any better for this need!

Shit I would pay Ellis a 20point scorer 12 million and have no problem with it. We can find another defense guy next year.

Edited June 12, 2015 by JTB