Monta Ellis wants to be a Hawk

[AHF]

Yeah I mean thank rondo....cause Ellis was having an awesome second year with the mavs before he showed up

 

Yeah think of how good he has been in the past!  

 

2012-13 .287%

2014-15 .285%

 

It was totally Rondo's fault!

 

I mean Josh Smith shot 31.6% from 3 last season and Ellis has shot 31.4% for his career.  That is almost as good as getting a bunch of Josh Smiths shooting 3's for you!  Talk about ability.

[JTB]

It's like this board just don't want to believe there is actual interest in Monte....obviously bud likes this guy and the Hawks were close to getting him 2 years ago....if bud feels like he will fit why complain?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60990/free-agency-reports-hawks-eye-ellis

I personally am fine either way but all I know is that everybody was just complaining about needing an ISO scorer better than Teague and Millsap...well there aren't many out there and Ellis would be one that comes cheap.

[atlhawks1]

We have a system. You can't just assume that a player like Ellis would be a fit in our system. See what happened to Louis Williams.

 

Yep, a system that CAME APART when teams decided to play defense against the Hawks in the playoffs. A system that would go capoot for most of the second half of games, ESPECIALLY the 3rd quarter............ A system that desperately cried for a Hawks version of Kawhi Leonard, but they didnt have one. For all the accolades given the Spurs/Hawks system, the Spurs KEEP a player in the fold that can create........

[ATLHawks3]

It's like this board just don't want to believe there is actual interest in Monte....obviously bud likes this guy and the Hawks were close to getting him 2 years ago....if bud feels like he will fit why complain?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60990/free-agency-reports-hawks-eye-ellis

I personally am fine either way but all I know is that everybody was just complaining about needing an ISO scorer better than Teague and Millsap...well there aren't many out there and Ellis would be one that comes cheap.

 

Teague was a free agent at the time.

[atlhawks1]

It's like this board just don't want to believe there is actual interest in Monte....obviously bud likes this guy and the Hawks were close to getting him 2 years ago....if bud feels like he will fit why complain?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/60990/free-agency-reports-hawks-eye-ellis

I personally am fine either way but all I know is that everybody was just complaining about needing an ISO scorer better than Teague and Millsap...well there aren't many out there and Ellis would be one that comes cheap.

 

Exactly..........

[ATLHawks3]

Yep, a system that CAME APART when teams decided to play defense against the Hawks in the playoffs. A system that would go capoot for most of the second half of games, ESPECIALLY the 3rd quarter............ A system that desperately cried for a Hawks version of Kawhi Leonard, but they didnt have one. For all the accolades given the Spurs/Hawks system, the Spurs KEEP a player in the fold that can create........

 

Lol. Wesley Matthews and Aaron Afflalo. Both of them are capable scorers and good defenders. The Hawks need a player that can do both, and not just score.

[atlhawks1]

Lol. Wesley Matthews and Aaron Afflalo. Both of them are capable scorers and good defenders. The Hawks need a player that can do both, and not just score.

 

Any team that can deploy Pero Antić the way the Hawks did cannot complain about ANYTHING that another player on another team did or did not do............

 

We can go round and round about this. Atlanta fans want certain players in the fold, and constantly come up short because of it........

Edited June 24, 2015 by atlhawks1

[JTB]

Yeah think of how good he has been in the past!

2012-13 .287%

2014-15 .285%

It was totally Rondo's fault!

I mean Josh Smith shot 31.6% from 3 last season and Ellis has shot 31.4% for his career. That is almost as good as getting a bunch of Josh Smiths shooting 3's for you! Talk about ability.

Is this about 3s or about getting a natural born scoring threat?

Yes if we want to continue taking 3s and being more of a jumpshooting team than Ellis isn't needed. However we all know that the 3ball didn't fall in the playoffs for the Hawks which is why so many complained that we need to get more balanced. Monte isn't a big but he's always in attack mode going to the goal and he can create offense for himself when needed.

Bud can make Monte a better player just like he did with Sap and Carroll...it's possible that Monte hits a higher percentage on 3s with the Hawks. We can't overlook players just cause other teams don't know how to use them to the best of their abilities

[AHF]

Yep, a system that CAME APART when teams decided to play defense against the Hawks in the playoffs. A system that would go capoot for most of the second half of games, ESPECIALLY the 3rd quarter............ A system that desperately cried for a Hawks version of Kawhi Leonard, but they didnt have one. For all the accolades given the Spurs/Hawks system, the Spurs KEEP a player in the fold that can create........

 

And the Spurs wouldn't touch Monta with a ten foot pole for anything more than a low dollar, easy cut contract.  I would be fine with signing Monta for $4M with the idea we can flush him down the toilet if we get chucky misser Monta.  

 

I am very against investing $8-10M/year on a multi-year deal for Monta.

[benhillboy]

if we cared that much about defensive liabilities then we wouldn't have been starting Kyle Korver at his age. Monta would be fine, we focus on team defense so that's only help him. DMC wasn't a great 3 point shooter or scorer in general before us, who says that Monta couldn't make some strides under Bud?

Kyle's length and size are useful against many teams. Monta brings absolutely nothing to the table defensively. One of my more hated players. His acquisition was part of the Mavs' fall from elite status, his departure part of the Warriors' ascension to the top.

Edited June 24, 2015 by benhillboy

[JTB]

We have a system. You can't just assume that a player like Ellis would be a fit in our system. See what happened to Louis Williams.

If the Hawks push for him like they did two years ago I'm going to assume he fits....I have 100% trust in bud until he actually fails which he hasn't done since being our coach

[atlhawks1]

Is this about 3s or about getting a natural born scoring threat?

Yes if we want to continue taking 3s and being more of a jumpshooting team than Ellis isn't needed. However we all know that the 3ball didn't fall in the playoffs for the Hawks which is why so many complained that we need to get more balanced. Monte isn't a big but he's always in attack mode going to the goal and he can create offense for himself when needed.

Bud can make Monte a better player just like he did with Sap and Carroll...it's possible that Monte hits a higher percentage on 3s with the Hawks. We can't overlook players just cause other teams don't know how to use them to the best of their abilities

 

You are correct, and people know it. Cant have nobody take minutes from Korver...........lol Man, this city loves to come up short when it comes to championships.......

Edited June 24, 2015 by atlhawks1

[JTB]

And the Spurs wouldn't touch Monta with a ten foot pole for anything more than a low dollar, easy cut contract. I would be fine with signing Monta for $4M with the idea we can flush him down the toilet if we get chucky misser Monta.

I am very against investing $8-10M/year on a multi-year deal for Monta.

We think we know everything but that could have easily been said about Carroll before he became a hawk.

Can you honestly say the Spurs would have went after Carroll two years ago?

Did Sap seem like a spurs like player? How about korver? With other teams korver admitted that he was only used as a spot up shooter. Never was asked to move around until bud became his coach.

Edited June 24, 2015 by JTB

[atlhawks1]

We think we know everything but that could have easily been said about Carroll before he became a hawk.

Can you honestly say the Spurs would have went after Carroll two years ago?

Did Sap seem like a spurs like player? How about korver? With other teams korver admitted that he was only used as a spot up shooter. Never was asked to move around until bud became his coach.

 

exactly................none of them was on the radar before Bud turned them around. Ellis isnt stupid. He sees how the Hawks play and knows he couldnt come to Atlanta and play iso ball unless given the green light in situations by Coach Bud....

Edited June 24, 2015 by atlhawks1

[AHF]

Is this about 3s or about getting a natural born scoring threat?

Yes if we want to continue taking 3s and being more of a jumpshooting team than Ellis isn't needed. However we all know that the 3ball didn't fall in the playoffs for the Hawks which is why so many complained that we need to get more balanced. Monte isn't a big but he's always in attack mode going to the goal and he can create offense for himself when needed.

Bud can make Monte a better player just like he did with Sap and Carroll...it's possible that Monte hits a higher percentage on 3s with the Hawks. We can't overlook players just cause other teams don't know how to use them to the best of their abilities

 

This is about getting a guy who can shot the #$*# ball in whether he is hitting 3's, dunking, getting to the line or whatever.  MONTA CAN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHOOT AND MISS LOTS OF SHOTS.  

 

With Monta you get a:

 

.525% TS% Shooter

 

That SUCKS.

 

Teague has struggles shooting for much of his career but his .543% TS% is MUCH better than Monta's.  Wesley Matthews, for example, has scored at a .577% TS% and is a MUCH BETTER DEFENDER.

 

Which would you rather have?  .577% and defense or .525% and no defense?  It is a no-brainer.

 

Moreover, he dominates the ball to the point where he averages nearly 3 turnovers a game (2.8 topg).  

 

Volume does not equal ability.  Anyone who shoots a ton of shots will put up points per game.  The guys you want are the ones who can do it either efficiently or in a way that opens the floor for others.  Monta does neither.  No one respects his Josh Smith like 3pt shot so you don't get the spacing benefits we have seen boost other player's numbers in Korver.  Then he takes a lot of 3$#&y shots that are worse than the team does in an average possession.

 

Apologies for being kind of a douche with the shouting and sarcasm in this thread but how many times do we have to go over this before people figure out that shooting a lot of shots doesn't make someone a good scorer?  If you take lots of low % shots, that just means you drag the offense down worse than if you took fewer shots and hit that at an even average rate.

[AHF]

We think we know everything but that could have easily been said about Carroll before he became a hawk.

Can you honestly say the Spurs would have went after Carroll two years ago?

Did Sap seem like a spurs like player? How about korver? With other teams korver admitted that he was only used as a spot up shooter. Never was asked to move around until bud became his coach.

 

DMC did exactly in Atlanta what he did in Utah except he shot the ball better.  I don't see that being a problem at all for the Spurs.  They like themselves some 3&D.

 

Sap is totally a Spurs player.  Hard working, offensively versatile.

 

Korver?  The Spurs have been through at least a dozen guys who are lesser versions of Korver and are basically there to do little more than stretch the floor.  They would love his #$.

[atlhawks1]

This is about getting a guy who can shot the #$*# ball in whether he is hitting 3's, dunking, getting to the line or whatever.  MONTA CAN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHOOT AND MISS LOTS OF SHOTS.  

 

With Monta you get a:

 

.525% TS% Shooter

 

That SUCKS.

 

Teague has struggles shooting for much of his career but his .543% TS% is MUCH better than Monta's.  Wesley Matthews, for example, has scored at a .577% TS% and is a MUCH BETTER DEFENDER.

 

Which would you rather have?  .577% and defense or .525% and no defense?  It is a no-brainer.

 

Moreover, he dominates the ball to the point where he averages nearly 3 turnovers a game (2.8 topg).  

 

Volume does not equal ability.  Anyone who shoots a ton of shots will put up points per game.  The guys you want are the ones who can do it either efficiently or in a way that opens the floor for others.  Monta does neither.  No one respects his Josh Smith like 3pt shot so you don't get the spacing benefits we have seen boost other player's numbers in Korver.  Then he takes a lot of 3$#&y shots that are worse than the team does in an average possession.

 

Apologies for being kind of a douche with the shouting and sarcasm in this thread but how many times do we have to go over this before people figure out that shooting a lot of shots doesn't make someone a good scorer?  If you take lots of low % shots, that just means you drag the offense down worse than if you took fewer shots and hit that at an even average rate.

 

Where was all that number crunching when the Hawks needed it during the playoffs?? Especially during that butt whipping the Cavaliers put on them.................

[Bonkers]

I would have no problem with Motna coming here. When everything broke down for the Hawks and they needed to score they looked absolutely terrible. So they need a scorer like Monta

[AHF]

Where was all that number crunching when the Hawks needed it during the playoffs?? Especially during that butt whipping the Cavaliers put on them.................

 

Maybe it was being done by Monta who was sitting at home eating popcorn wondering why he has yet to win A SINGLE PLAYOFF SERIES IN HIS CAREER AS ONE OF THE TOP 6 PLAYERS BY MINUTES ON HIS TEAM.

 

HE HASN'T EVEN WON 6 PLAYOFF GAMES IN HIS CAREER ON A TEAM WHERE HE WAS A STARTER OR 6TH MAN.

 

But he will solve our playoff problems.  

 

:ahf:

[AHF]

I would have no problem with Motna coming here. When everything broke down for the Hawks and they needed to score they looked absolutely terrible. So they need a scorer like Monta

 

One like Monta but who can actually score more efficiently than Pero Antić does on his shots.

 

MONTA ELLIS:  .525% TS% CAREER

 

PERO Antić:  .526% TS% CAREER