Teague Traded to Pacers!!!!

[JSmooooove]

16 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

In with  a chance to get a free agent  or stay the same.

Gotcha. Did we not have a chance before trading our starting PG for a draft and stash player and cap room? Seemed like we had plenty unless they're trying to resign Baze for 15/year like I'm afraid is about to happen. 

[Watchman]

1 minute ago, JSmooooove said:

Gotcha. Did we not have a chance before trading our starting PG for a draft and stash player and cap room? Seemed like we had plenty unless they're trying to resign Baze for 15/year like I'm afraid is about to happen. 

Introducing #1, Cap Room!!!!

[Blunt91]

According to Hoopshype  Budcox want to get Buddy Hield.

 

 

http://hoopshype.com/team/atlanta-hawks/

 

 

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, JSmooooove said:

Gotcha. Did we not have a chance before trading our starting PG for a draft and stash player and cap room? Seemed like we had plenty unless they're trying to resign Baze for 15/year like I'm afraid is about to happen. 

1. you assume a draft and stash player

2. Cap room is not only for free agents like was previously mentioned - we can also  take on a player we have interest in (see Kyle Korver from the JJ trade)

3. Like I said wether it's Baze or another free agent we need space.

4. I've already broken down our cap numbers too many times and I don't feel like doing it here  again

 

[Guest]

This guy has wavering credibility IMO but here's this (TIFWIW) ..

 

[JSmooooove]

4 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

1. you assume a draft and stash player

2. Cap room is not only for free agents like was previously mentioned - we can also  take on a player we have interest in (see Kyle Korver from the JJ trade)

3. Like I said wether it's Baze or another free agent we need space.

4. I've already broken down our cap numbers too many times and I don't feel like doing it here  again

 

I see where you're coming from. 

Yes I assumed draft and stash because we are apparently trying to free up cap space.. that would fit the bill. 

Basically if Dennis and AL aren't on the hawks BEASTING for years to come then this trade will be foolish. The Hawks are going all in with those two. 

[Watchman]

5 minutes ago, JSmooooove said:

I see where you're coming from. 

Yes I assumed draft and stash because we are apparently trying to free up cap space.. that would fit the bill. 

Basically if Dennis and AL aren't on the hawks BEASTING for years to come then this trade will be foolish. The Hawks are going all in with those two. 

Al beasting!!??  You so silly.

[Guest]

Just now, Watchman said:

Al beasting!!??  You so silly.

That's funny, lol

 

[NBASupes]

9 minutes ago, kg01 said:

This guy has wavering credibility IMO but here's this (TIFWIW) ..

 

The only offers that matter are the ones to move up for a valved asset. 

[GameTime]

Way to early for me to discuss this trade as I feel there will be other pieces involved in the future. I'm just happy we are being aggressive this offseason.

Edited June 22, 2016 by GameTime

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, JSmooooove said:

I see where you're coming from. 

Yes I assumed draft and stash because we are apparently trying to free up cap space.. that would fit the bill. 

Basically if Dennis and AL aren't on the hawks BEASTING for years to come then this trade will be foolish. The Hawks are going all in with those two. 

What?????  Anyway, new Hawks cap update.

Player	2016--2017	2017--2018	Total
Paul Millsap	$20,072,033	$21,472,407PO	$20,072,033
Al Horford	$18,000,000	---	---
Tiago Splitter	$8,550,000	$12,825,000	$8,550,000
Kyle Korver	$5,239,437	$9,954,931	$5,239,437
Thabo Sefolosha	$3,850,000	$7,315,000	$3,850,000
Mike Scott	$3,333,334NG	$6,333,335	$3,333,334
Kirk Hinrich	$5,692,416	---	---
Kent Bazemore	$2,600,000	---	---
Dennis Schröder	$2,708,582	$6,771,455	$2,708,582
Tim Hardaway Jr.	$2,281,605	$5,704,013	$2,708,582
Kris Humphries	$1,200,000	---	---
Walter Tavares	$1,000,000	$1,014,746NG	$1,000,000
Mike Muscala	$1,015,696NG	$1,014,746	$1,015,696
Lamar Patterson	$874,636NG	$1,014,746	$874,636
2016 NBA Draft (#12)	$1,931,900	$2,018,800	$3,950,700
2016 NBA Draft (#21)	$1,249,800	$1,306,000	$2,555,800
Total (only guaranteed)	$46,883,357	---	---
Total	$52,107,023	---	---
Total + FA cap holds	$79,599,439	---	---
Exceptions	$15,541,376	---	---
Notes: Red denotes cap hold; PO-Player Option; TO-Team Option; NG-Nonguaranteed. Exceptions that carry cap holds are in the last row. The Holiday trade exception expires 2/18/2017 and is $947,276. The Teague trade exception expires one year after the trade is officially made and is $6,068,100. The Non-Taxpayer MLE is for $5,628,000 and the Bi-Annual Exception is for $2,898,000.

Player	2016--2017	2017--2018	Total
Paul Millsap	$20,072,033	$21,472,407PO	$20,072,033
Al Horford	$18,000,000	---	---
Tiago Splitter	$8,550,000	$12,825,000	$8,550,000
Kyle Korver	$5,239,437	$9,954,931	$5,239,437
Thabo Sefolosha	$3,850,000	$7,315,000	$3,850,000
Mike Scott	$3,333,334NG	$6,333,335	$3,333,334
Kirk Hinrich	$5,692,416	---	---
Kent Bazemore	$2,600,000	---	---
Dennis Schröder	$2,708,582	$6,771,455	$2,708,582
Tim Hardaway Jr.	$2,281,605	$5,704,013	$2,708,582
Kris Humphries	$1,200,000	---	---
Walter Tavares	$1,000,000	$1,014,746NG	$1,000,000
Mike Muscala	$1,015,696NG	$1,014,746	$1,015,696
Lamar Patterson	$874,636NG	$1,014,746	$874,636
2016 NBA Draft (#12)	$1,931,900	$2,018,800	$3,950,700
2016 NBA Draft (#21)	$1,249,800	$1,306,000	$2,555,800
Total (only guaranteed)	$46,883,357	---	---
Total	$52,107,023	---	---
Total + FA cap holds	$79,599,439	---	---
Exceptions	$15,541,376	---	---
Notes: Red denotes cap hold; PO-Player Option; TO-Team Option; NG-Nonguaranteed. Exceptions that carry cap holds are in the last row. The Holiday trade exception expires 2/18/2017 and is $947,276. The Teague trade exception expires one year after the trade is officially made and is $6,068,100. The Non-Taxpayer MLE is for $5,628,000 and the Bi-Annual Exception is for $2,898,000.

 

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/22/12008602/jeff-teague-trade-atlanta-hawks-salary-cap-update

[JSmooooove]

Just now, Watchman said:

Al beasting!!??  You so silly.

Lol I know right. The only way I like this is if you sign Al long-term and make him the stretch 4. He can't play center anymore, he doesn't play like one that's for sure.

Trade Millsap for a talented wing player, let Baze walk for anything more then 10/year and sign a REAL big man.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Watchman said:

Al beasting!!??  You so silly.

He wasn't serious ... was he?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The only offers that matter are the ones to move up for a valved asset. 

Well that goes without saying, Joel Bro-steen.

[JSmooooove]

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

What?????  Anyway, new Hawks cap update.

I say that because based on Marc Stein's tweet saying we're already shopping these picks to try to impress Horford. So clearly that is who the front office wants to build around if we're about to pay him a 9 figure contract.

Then obviously Dennis is the point guard of the future. This is the only part I don't have a problem with - I thought we definitely needed to keep him over Teague.

Basically, my issue with this trade is I feel we should have gotten a MUCH better return for Teague. Last season, in a stronger draft, we traded the 15th pick for Tim freaking Hardaway. Apparently he's pretty much valued the same as Teague (I know he has one year left on the contract) - so in my opinion since we didn't get a starting caliber player for the 15th pick we either got fleeced last year or fleeced this year. Probably both.

If the number 12 pick comes anywhere close to having the type of production Teague has had in his career we would consider ourselves extremely lucky.

[Guest]

Oh my dear Stephanie...

[Watchman]

9 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The only offers that matter are the ones to move up for a valved asset. 

How many valves are you talking about?  A 32 valve V8?  A  24 valve V6?  Turbocharged?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Spud2Nique said:

Oh my dear Stephanie...

Lol, chicks.  Amirite?

{Looks around to make sure @JayBirdHawk and @Lurker aren't looking .... oh, wait why'd I @mention them?}

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, JSmooooove said:

I say that because based on Marc Stein's tweet saying we're already shopping these picks to try to impress Horford. So clearly that is who the front office wants to build around if we're about to pay him a 9 figure contract.

Then obviously Dennis is the point guard of the future. This is the only part I don't have a problem with - I thought we definitely needed to keep him over Teague.

Basically, my issue with this trade is I feel we should have gotten a MUCH better return for Teague. Last season, in a stronger draft, we traded the 15th pick for Tim freaking Hardaway. Apparently he's pretty much valued the same as Teague (I know he has one year left on the contract) - so in my opinion since we didn't get a starting caliber player for the 15th pick we either got fleeced last year or fleeced this year. Probably both.

If the number 12 pick comes anywhere close to having the type of production Teague has had in his career we would consider ourselves extremely lucky.

Stein says we are shopping picks to make it easier to sign Horford which is phony balony.   We don't need to trade our picks to resign Horford.  Stein's comment was in a word - bullshit. got everyone in a tizzy for no reason.

[IheartVolt]

So let me get this straight.  We managed to snag a #12 pick for an unpredictable and heartless point guard , that I will add , there was no way in hell we were resigning next year , and you bi-polar gluttons for punishment do not like the move? Wth is wrong with you guys?