Jamal Crawford and Atlanta Hawks have come to terms on a buyout

[sturt]

12 minutes ago, lethalweapon3 said:

At least we know for sure we have no plans to "Welcome" Craw back.

~lw3

So so observant, you are.

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, Sothron said:

Kevin had a season where his PER was #2 in the entire NBA behind only Lebron and above Durant and everyone else. He is being wasted in Cleveland.

Bad team all star

[Peoriabird]

1 hour ago, ATLBob said:

I'm oversimplifying here, but again:

A) Crossover + Plumless

B) Love

C) Detritus

Which do you pick?

Why are those my only choices?

[Sothron]

5 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Bad team all star

He's been an all star on a championship team as well as being an all star on a non playoff team. You don't fake 2nd PER in the entire NBA the last season he was the primary offensive player for his team.

[Peoriabird]

6 minutes ago, Sothron said:

He's been an all star on a championship team as well as being an all star on a non playoff team. You don't fake 2nd PER in the entire NBA the last season he was the primary offensive player for his team.

True all stars don't win an average of 27 games per season as the go to guy

[Sothron]

4 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

True all stars don't win an average of 27 games per season as the go to guy

Apparently you missed the part where's been an All Star on a team that won a ring and has went to two other Finals?

[Peoriabird]

5 minutes ago, Sothron said:

Apparently you missed the part where's been an All Star on a team that won a ring and has went to two other Finals?

As a 3rd or 4th option. Now go get us LeBron and we'll talk

[Sothron]

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

As a 3rd or 4th option. Now go get us LeBron and we'll talk

So he had the 2nd best PER in the ENTIRE league, was an All Star that season as the last year he was the primary guy and still makes the All Star team on a championship team and yet he's what, a bad player?

Go troll somewhere else please.

[Dragitoff]

12 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

True all stars don't win an average of 27 games per season as the go to guy

LeBron is a generational talent.  He's in discussion with Jordan as possibly the GOAT.  You cannot compare an elite player to LeBron with good conscience.  I ask again, who did Love have on his team during those 27 win average seasons?  Kevin Garnett is a HOF, but he didn't win it all until he teamed up with 2 other HOF.  LeBron himself hasn't won a single championship by himself.  He needed Wade and Bosh the first time and Cleveland's only 1 came with Kyrie and Love in tow. 

[Peoriabird]

3 minutes ago, Dragitoff said:

LeBron is a generational talent.  He's in discussion with Jordan as possibly the GOAT.  You cannot compare an elite player to LeBron with good conscience.  I ask again, who did Love have on his team during those 27 win average seasons?  Kevin Garnett is a HOF, but he didn't win it all until he teamed up with 2 other HOF.  LeBron himself hasn't won a single championship by himself.  He needed Wade and Bosh the first time and Cleveland's only 1 came with Kyrie and Love in tow. 

KG wasn't winning 27 games per season...they were in the playoffs when he was in Minnesota

[Peoriabird]

Harden, Westbrook, and Dirk didnt have much on their teams either but they weren't winning an average of 27 games per season as t he go to guy.

[AHF]

13 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

KG wasn't winning 27 games per season...they were in the playoffs when he was in Minnesota

 

8 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Harden, Westbrook, and Dirk didnt have much on their teams either but they weren't winning an average of 27 games per season as t he go to guy.

You basically are giving a list of former MVPs.  Love is good but not at that level.  If I wanted to win now, I could find a spot for him on my roster if the needs matched and be pretty thrilled about it.  He is being misused in Cleveland pretty badly and that is obvious.

[Peoriabird]

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

 

You basically are giving a list of former MVPs.  Love is good but not at that level.  If I wanted to win now, I could find a spot for him on my roster if the needs matched and be pretty thrilled about it.  He is being misused in Cleveland pretty badly and that is obvious.

I thought that the point of a rebuild was to find star players and not Millsap types.

[Dragitoff]

3 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I thought that the point of a rebuild was to find star players and not Millsap types.

I don't think he's in Millsap's league defensively, but I think Kevin Love is a much better offensive player and rebounder than Millsap.  Millsap was essentially our go-to scorer and averaged less than 20ppg and career averages are less than a double-double.  Love averages a double-double and has had years as the go-to scorer averaging over 25ppg and 12rpg. 

[Peoriabird]

1 minute ago, Dragitoff said:

I don't think he's in Millsap's league defensively, but I think Kevin Love is a much better offensive player and rebounder than Millsap.  Millsap was essentially our go-to scorer and averaged less than 20ppg and career averages are less than a double-double.  Love averages a double-double and has had years as the go-to scorer averaging over 25ppg and 12rpg. 

On a bad team just like Wiggins thus bad team all star

[Dragitoff]

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

On a bad team just like Wiggins thus bad team all star

We'll have to agree to disagree.  Personally, I think if we could actually get Love for Crawford and a late 1st (like the Houston pick), it would be a smart move.  If this team is going to be exceptionally bad as most say and Love is as good as you say he is on a bad team only, then he'll drive his value up like he did in Minny when Cleveland gave up 2 #1 picks (even though 1 turned out to be a bust and the verdict is still out on the other) and he'll be worth it.  I find it hard to believe that would get it done even if it meant Melo to Cleveland, but who the heck knows in today's NBA anymore? 

[Peoriabird]

Would rather go young

[Sothron]

This discussion is pretty moot, Love isn't being traded here. It also seems pretty transparent our GM is going the full blown rebuild model as well so a youth movement is pretty much mandatory.

[AHF]

26 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I thought that the point of a rebuild was to find star players and not Millsap types.

I just said above if I was trying not win now.  I don't want him now at the beginning of our rebuild.

I think the Millsap comparison is fair with Love being significantly better on offense and Millsap significantly better on defense.  Net is in the same ballpark.

[ATLSmith]

19 hours ago, Diesel said:

Haven't our GM learned ANYDAMNTHING...

I would hold Crawford until teams get desperate and we can get a good deal.   I don't care if he was sitting on the bench wearing Brooks Brothers for 56 games...  He doesn't leave Atlanta without a trade. 

 

I agree with you on this.  Wait until closer to the deadline to find a suiter if one isnt available now.