2023-24 Insider Information Thread

[Mikey]

6 hours ago, Sothron said:

The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar.

It is Giannis. 

I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. 

It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Giannis

OO

 

The longer  version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster:

The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a  good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time.

 

2nd Option:

We trade Murray and AJ  to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first

We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr.

Team would be:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Sarr/either Capela or OO

 

3rd option:

We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys.

Roster would be:

(this is my postulating at possible draft results)

Reed Sheppard

Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/#8 pick in this draft

Sarr/OO

We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team.

 

Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks.

If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft.

If you can get Giannis you get giannis. If you can rebuild you rebuild. Path 2 is easily the worst 

[JeffS17]

Also, I would be surprised if we're honestly considering tanking, even if we trade Trae.  It would be a massive waste of a nicely assembled coaching staff and I highly doubt Quin has interest in tanking.  He seems like he would enjoy retooling and developing guys while trying to win, but not tanking for picks.

[Mikey]

By no means am I trying to step on anything any of the other insiders have said. Different people hear different things from different sources. That being said, Trae has made no decision yet and has not even met with the FO from a direct Hawks source. The FO was at the lottery/combine this week there is no where for him to meet them lol. He much like everybody else was caught off guard with us jumping in the lottery. He’s asked the front office for some time to review the situation with his new agency and they will go from there. 

[REHawksFan]

3 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Also, I would be surprised if we're honestly considering tanking, even if we trade Trae.  It would be a massive waste of a nicely assembled coaching staff and I highly doubt Quin has interest in tanking.  He seems like he would enjoy retooling and developing guys while trying to win, but not tanking for picks.

Obviously my first preference is going to be continuing to build around Trae and winning with Trae.  But on the retool option, there are some interesting routes they can go with the roster that may not end up with a bad team.  They can certainly still be about trying to win.  

The key to me is what do you get back for Trae?  If you are trading with SAS, you have to think you are getting either Vassell or Johnson just to match salaries.  Plus if you get all the picks, you have the ability to draft some interesting young players.  Keep DJM and build around JJ, Sarr, and other young players.  It could be interesting. 

But I'm only doing that IF Trae wants out.  I'm not willingly choosing that route.  

[REHawksFan]

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

If you can get Giannis you get giannis. If you can rebuild you rebuild. Path 2 is easily the worst 

How is building around a young core of Trae, JJ, and Sarr the worst plan?  

9 minutes ago, Mikey said:

If you can get Giannis you get giannis. If you can rebuild you rebuild. Path 2 is easily the worst 

How is building around a young core of Trae, JJ, and Sarr the worst plan?  I think each option has it's plusses and minuses.  

[Mikey]

2 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

How is building around a young core of Trae, JJ, and Sarr the worst plan?  

How is building around a young core of Trae, JJ, and Sarr the worst plan?  I think each option has it's plusses and minuses.  

Not saying it as horrible path. It’s a fine one but relatively speaking it’s the worst. Pick a side of going all in or rebuilding don’t try to play both sides 

[ShooterSays]

Y’all read through the comments on this post before you get too attached to the idea of Giannis. There would be riots in the streets of Milwaukee if they did that trade.

 

[JeffS17]

13 minutes ago, Mikey said:

That being said, Trae has made no decision yet and has not even met with the FO from a direct Hawks source. The FO was at the lottery/combine this week there is no where for him to meet them lol.

Not disputing you here, but yall acting like telephones don't exist is killing me lmao we been able to talk across whole ass continents since the 1800s

[Macknsweetjones]

Yeah f*** that blow it up talk it’s the dumbest option..extra picks in a shit draft is shit 

[KB21]

Do the Spurs include Devin Vassell in the deal for Trae?  I've worked the trade through the trade machines, and even though the Spurs are under the cap, they will have to send back someone like Vassell or a less attractive collection of contracts to make the deal work.  I'd be more interested in Vassell even at the cost of one less first round pick.  Adding Vassell to Murray keeps you competitive and keeps you from bottoming out.  

Vassell is also a far better option that trying to force Ingram to Atlanta.

Edited May 15 by KB21

[macdaddy]

6 hours ago, Sothron said:

The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar.

It is Giannis. 

I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. 

It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Giannis

OO

 

The longer  version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster:

The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a  good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time.

 

2nd Option:

We trade Murray and AJ  to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first

We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr.

Team would be:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Sarr/either Capela or OO

 

3rd option:

We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys.

Roster would be:

(this is my postulating at possible draft results)

Reed Sheppard

Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/#8 pick in this draft

Sarr/OO

We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team.

 

Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks.

If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft.

At least this is realism.  Notice the only option that has us trading Trae is the blow it up tank option.  

We should do option #2.  The big 30 year old stars keep flaming out in the playoffs.  Go with the younger stars.  

That said I'm good with going with Giannis too. 

[JTB]

I don’t Trae commits to Atlanta long term with option 2. 
 

as @Mikey stated that’s the one option where we are trying to play both sides. I can get behind it IF we have commitment from Trae but I don’t see that happening with him.

Sarr has to develop into an elite big man and may be best fit at the 4 right now.

yeah I don’t know but option 1 while risky may be the best option to just go all in if that can happen.

1 minute ago, macdaddy said:

At least this is realism.  Notice the only option that has us trading Trae is the blow it up tank option.  

We should do option #2.  The big 30 year old stars keep flaming out in the playoffs.  Go with the younger stars.  

That said I'm good with going with Giannis too. 

Do you think Trae commits to option 2?

[Mikey]

6 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Not disputing you here, but yall acting like telephones don't exist is killing me lmao we been able to talk across whole ass continents since the 1800s

These type of calls don’t happen over the phone lol. He’s communicated to them he wants time to review situation with his agency 

unsourced commentary here. I think it’s highly likely he tells them to get them he’ll in the interim until sarr develops them into a legit contender 

1 minute ago, JTB said:

I don’t Trae commits to Atlanta long term with option 2. 
 

as @Mikey stated that’s the one option where we are trying to play both sides. I can get behind it IF we have commitment from Trae but I don’t see that happening with him.

Sarr has to develop into an elite big man and may be best fit at the 4 right now.

yeah I don’t know but option 1 while risky may be the best option to just go all in if that can happen.

Do you think Trae commits to option 2?

Funny enough I think that path is most likely the one trae wants or chooses 

[KB21]

2 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

At least this is realism.  Notice the only option that has us trading Trae is the blow it up tank option.  

We should do option #2.  The big 30 year old stars keep flaming out in the playoffs.  Go with the younger stars.  

That said I'm good with going with Giannis too. 

There's a fourth option.  You do that Trae to SA trade and keep Murray to remain competitive.  You don't have to completely blow up the roster after trading Trae, if that were to happen.  Make SA give us Vassell in the deal and they can keep the pick swap in '26. 

[GameTime]

6 hours ago, Sothron said:

The source cleared me to reveal the name of the superstar.

It is Giannis. 

I am not saying it is going to happen but it is being discussed and it depends on if Giannis wants to come to Atlanta. This is from my source and from @NBASupes source. 

It also leaves the option to trade for BI and the team would look roughly something like:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Giannis

OO

 

The longer  version of what I've heard can come down to three options for our roster:

The above option, the "Push All The Chips In" is what I call it. We will be a  good team, no question, but with a scary future with no firsts for a long time.

 

2nd Option:

We trade Murray and AJ  to NO for BI and the Lakers 2025 unprotected first

We keep Trae. We do NOT trade for Giannis. We use the #1 pick on Sarr.

Team would be:

Trae

Bogi/Kobe

Ingram/Hunter

Sarr/either Capela or OO

 

3rd option:

We blow it all up. SAS have offered 4, 8 and all our picks back for Trae. We move him. We keep the #1 pick. We move Murray not to the Pelicans but to the Pistons or another team I've been told not to mention that has picks/young guys.

Roster would be:

(this is my postulating at possible draft results)

Reed Sheppard

Bogi/Kobe

Hunter/#8 pick in this draft

Sarr/OO

We have all our picks back as well as picks and young guys from moving Murray to either the Pistons or mystery team.

 

Which option do you guys and gal prefer? I think the 3rd option is the best one but the 2nd option is more safe. The first option MIGHT win us a title...but then we'll be in purgatory for years with no draft picks.

If someone can make a poll with these three options, please do so, you have my blessing. These are the three big scenarios the Hawks FO is discussing now and in the upcoming time to the draft.

Thanks Soth. I'm for going all in or option #2. Sarr could come out as a beast and JJ could improve to an all-star this year. Plus Ingram replacing DJM/Sarr adds length and will improve our 28th defense last year. #1 will change my mind on Ressler being cheap because he is going to need to fill he roster up with vets as well. It is hard to believe us actually having a chance at Giannis though. #3 is us returning to the tank era and hoping and praying one of the picks can be even as good as Trae. Also have to add Quin is probably a goner and we have an "LP" like young coach prepping the tank.

[REHawksFan]

9 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Not disputing you here, but yall acting like telephones don't exist is killing me lmao we been able to talk across whole ass continents since the 1800s

As @Mikey said, I can't imagine that type of conversation is a phone call or zoom meeting.  It's a bring your reps and sit down and discuss all the options.  You do that in person over a nice meal or just at Hawks HQ.  

7 minutes ago, KB21 said:

Do the Spurs include Devin Vassell in the deal for Trae?  I've worked the trade through the trade machines, and even though the Spurs are under the cap, they will have to send back someone like Vassell or a less attractive collection of contracts to make the deal work.  I'd be more interested in Vassell even at the cost of one less first round pick.  Adding Vassell to Murray keeps you competitive and keeps you from bottoming out.  

Vassell is also a far better option that trying to force Ingram to Atlanta.

This is my thinking as well.  I don't think the "Blow it up" option is actually blowing it up considering Trae will HAVE to bring back salary to make it work.  So get Vassell or Johnson to pair with DJM and JJ and Sarr and it's not terrible.  I still ONLY consider it IF Trae asks out.  I'm not doing it on voluntarily.  

2 minutes ago, Mikey said:

These type of calls don’t happen over the phone lol. He’s communicated to them he wants time to review situation with his agency 

unsourced commentary here. I think it’s highly likely he tells them to get them he’ll in the interim until sarr develops them into a legit contender 

Funny enough I think that path is most likely the one trae wants or chooses 

Can you clarify the bold?  I don't follow.  Thanks.  

[hylndr11]

5 minutes ago, Mikey said:

These type of calls don’t happen over the phone lol. He’s communicated to them he wants time to review situation with his agency 

unsourced commentary here. I think it’s highly likely he tells them to get them he’ll in the interim until sarr develops them into a legit contender 

Funny enough I think that path is most likely the one trae wants or chooses 

Say what in the interim

[JeffS17]

6 minutes ago, KB21 said:

There's a fourth option.  You do that Trae to SA trade and keep Murray to remain competitive.  You don't have to completely blow up the roster after trading Trae, if that were to happen.  Make SA give us Vassell in the deal and they can keep the pick swap in '26. 

This is what I laid out.  This would be my preference.  I don't like the idea of trading our number one pick, but I do believe in our coaching staff developing Sarr, our young guys, and other draft picks.  

36 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I would go with an altered third option:  it's missing Jalen Johnson in the lineup for starters, but if we trade Trae, I'd rather for it to be for quality rotation players and picks rather than young prospects and picks, so I'm not a fan of a San Antonio trade.  Do it with another team like Orlando or New Orleans.  And I definitely would not want to dump Murray just because we trade Trae-- the whole allure of doing a soft rebuild would be having DJ's vet leadership in the locker room, establishing the culture for the young players to grow and thrive.

[Mikey]

4 minutes ago, KB21 said:

There's a fourth option.  You do that Trae to SA trade and keep Murray to remain competitive.  You don't have to completely blow up the roster after trading Trae, if that were to happen.  Make SA give us Vassell in the deal and they can keep the pick swap in '26. 

This option is horrible lol. By far the worst option. Being competitive with a Murray team and your pick means like the 10 best odds again.

1 minute ago, hylndr11 said:

Say what in the interim

Help*

[REHawksFan]

1 minute ago, hylndr11 said:

Say what in the interim

After rereading, I think @Mikey meant to say "get them help in the interim."  That's all that makes sense, imo.