Premium Member shakes Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 17 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said: The guy made over $52 MILLION in a 9 year career. GTFO with this nonsense. I know plenty of people with kids with autism who are making it work without $52 million in the bank. The plan is "crucial to his family". Guy is a nothing but a grifter. Made $12 million from the Hawks alone to not do shit but play a few games all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 14 minutes ago, shakes said: The guy made over $52 MILLION in a 9 year career. GTFO with this nonsense. I know plenty of people with kids with autism who are making it work without $52 million in the bank. The plan is "crucial to his family". Guy is a nothing but a grifter. Made $12 million from the Hawks alone to not do shit but play a few games all year. Grifter is unfair but I agree with you that I have less sympathy for his situation than 99% of people that have kids with special needs. His take home is north of $25M, 10x the amount of money most families will bring in their entire lives. Im sure he can figure something out. Go be a literal bus driver for the insurance if you need to, but hes not entitled to a lucrative retiree benefits program… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, macdaddy said: Anyone have any clue why we didn't go after OG? I just don't get it. Yeah, its been widely reported he wanted to play in NY and since he was on an expiring, there was no real chance for anyone else. Wed have to give up a bunch of picks for a one year rental. OG picked the Knicks presidents son as his agent, for reference. So it has nothing to do with not wanting to pay him or salary concerns as some are suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member shakes Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 19 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: Grifter is unfair but I agree with you that I have less sympathy for his situation than 99% of people that have kids with special needs. His take home is north of $25M, 10x the amount of money most families will bring in their entire lives. Im sure he can figure something out. Go be a literal bus driver for the insurance if you need to, but hes not entitled to a lucrative retiree benefits program… He's using his autistic kids as a way to get some money he doesn't need. If the grifter shoes fit, wear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 18 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: Grifter is unfair but I agree with you that I have less sympathy for his situation than 99% of people that have kids with special needs. His take home is north of $25M, 10x the amount of money most families will bring in their entire lives. Im sure he can figure something out. Go be a literal bus driver for the insurance if you need to, but hes not entitled to a lucrative retiree benefits program… Yeah, this should be a story about how difficult it is for people to manage a child with special needs. Get them consistent care. Make sure they're as 'ok' as possible. Getting an NBA pension isn't the "only" way but I'm sure it would certainly make it easier for him. As a human, I want that for him. Not because he's owed it. Just because, as a human being with a heart, I want others to have things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member shakes Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 30 minutes ago, kg01 said: Yeah, this should be a story about how difficult it is for people to manage a child with special needs. Get them consistent care. Make sure they're as 'ok' as possible. Getting an NBA pension isn't the "only" way but I'm sure it would certainly make it easier for him. As a human, I want that for him. Not because he's owed it. Just because, as a human being with a heart, I want others to have things. why would the pension make it easier for him to manage kids with special needs? What benefit would he receive from the pension that he's not equally capable of providing himself simply by writing a check or handing over an insurance card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, shakes said: why would the pension make it easier for him to manage kids with special needs? What benefit would he receive from the pension that he's not equally capable of providing himself simply by writing a check or handing over an insurance card? I think it's more about a different level of healthcare that's available, not the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member shakes Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 11 minutes ago, kg01 said: I think it's more about a different level of healthcare that's available, not the money. any level of healthcare you want is available if you have the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 11 minutes ago, shakes said: any level of healthcare you want is available if you have the money. Eh, first of all, I'm not re-reading the article where I glanced over that bit. That would be way too much work. But it made it seem like that's not the case. Sounds like he had to qualify for it. He has his basic pension, the 10yr pension is different - this is what he's seeking, iiuc. You can't just buy in. To be clear though, im not arguing for or against it necessarily. I just dont see a reason to put energy into hatin' on his cause. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member shakes Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, kg01 said: Eh, first of all, I'm not re-reading the article where I glanced over that bit. That would be way too much work. But it made it seem like that's not the case. Sounds like he had to qualify for it. He has his basic pension, the 10yr pension is different - this is what he's seeking, iiuc. You can't just buy in. To be clear though, im not arguing for or against it necessarily. I just dont see a reason to put energy into hatin' on his cause. it is when his cause falls right into my cause's lap of calling out BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg01 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, shakes said: it is when his cause falls right into my cause's lap of calling out BS. Heh, ironic. This is the only reason why I'm responding to you. Ohhhhhhhhhh.... Cmon, that was a sick burn and you know it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted February 1 Moderators Report Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, JeffS17 said: Yeah, its been widely reported he wanted to play in NY and since he was on an expiring, there was no real chance for anyone else. Wed have to give up a bunch of picks for a one year rental. OG picked the Knicks presidents son as his agent, for reference. So it has nothing to do with not wanting to pay him or salary concerns as some are suggesting. Not be a jerk about it but tell me again how we're going to wait and pounce on another star when this is the environment we're dealing with. If we can't even trade for one because they don't want to be a Hawk. And in reality no one wanted to go to the Knicks 5 years ago. They only want to go now because they are on the verge of being a contender. We have to get to that point before anyone will be interested. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 1 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, macdaddy said: They only want to go now because they are on the verge of being a contender. We have to get to that point before anyone will be interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 31 minutes ago, macdaddy said: Not be a jerk about it but tell me again how we're going to wait and pounce on another star when this is the environment we're dealing with. If we can't even trade for one because they don't want to be a Hawk. And in reality no one wanted to go to the Knicks 5 years ago. They only want to go now because they are on the verge of being a contender. We have to get to that point before anyone will be interested. I was just answering the question and correcting the false narrative around why we didn't trade for OG. I agree it's an uphill battle... OG is the most coveted archetype of a player, and one of the best at it, so it makes sense he gets to play wherever he wants. I would rather us keep trying to assemble a strong core first rather than throw spinners on a car with a faulty engine. It's a longer term view and not always going to lead to the best results this, so I'm not saying everyone should feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JayBirdHawk Posted February 1 Author Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 Cal Ripken Jr. and Grant Hill are part of the investor group that has agreed to buy the Baltimore Orioles, and so are former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Baltimore mayor Kurt Schmoke. The group is headed by Baltimore native David Rubenstein, co-founder of the Carlyle Group. Additional investors were revealed in a news release Wednesday announcing the agreement between Rubenstein and the Angelos family. ESPN.COM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted February 1 Moderators Report Share Posted February 1 50 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: I was just answering the question and correcting the false narrative around why we didn't trade for OG. I agree it's an uphill battle... OG is the most coveted archetype of a player, and one of the best at it, so it makes sense he gets to play wherever he wants. I would rather us keep trying to assemble a strong core first rather than throw spinners on a car with a faulty engine. It's a longer term view and not always going to lead to the best results this, so I'm not saying everyone should feel that way. What? Now i'm confused. I thought your position was we shouldn't be adding role players that would take money away from landing another star? What do you call 'assembling a strong core'. Whatever it is we haven't done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 7 minutes ago, macdaddy said: What? Now i'm confused. I thought your position was we shouldn't be adding role players that would take money away from landing another star? What do you call 'assembling a strong core'. Whatever it is we haven't done it. Oh, yes, that is my position -- I wasn't pushing it here though, just answering your question why we didn't go for OG. OG would have been wanted/needed by every team in the league and there were barely any reports of trade discussions around him at all. It was a foregone conclusion he'd land in NY... But I do think we should focus on getting a core in place first and foremost, even if that means we miss out on MLE targets because we're trying for star players in trade talks. Contenders do not rely on the end of their bench to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators macdaddy Posted February 1 Moderators Report Share Posted February 1 9 minutes ago, JeffS17 said: Oh, yes, that is my position -- I wasn't pushing it here though, just answering your question why we didn't go for OG. OG would have been wanted/needed by every team in the league and there were barely any reports of trade discussions around him at all. It was a foregone conclusion he'd land in NY... But I do think we should focus on getting a core in place first and foremost, even if that means we miss out on MLE targets because we're trying for star players in trade talks. Contenders do not rely on the end of their bench to win games. I guess maybe we're saying the same thing i don't know. I don't really understand how you think the Hawks are going to land a star player if we're perpetually 10th in the east. It's just not going to happen. I don't think anyone is suggesting we need more end of the bench guys. We need more front of the bench and some better starters. But let's start with a good PF off the bench. It's not too much to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AHF Posted February 1 Moderators Report Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, macdaddy said: I guess maybe we're saying the same thing i don't know. I don't really understand how you think the Hawks are going to land a star player if we're perpetually 10th in the east. It's just not going to happen. I don't think anyone is suggesting we need more end of the bench guys. We need more front of the bench and some better starters. But let's start with a good PF off the bench. It's not too much to ask. I'm not suggesting we need more end of the bench guys. I am complaining that our bench has remarkably less depth than every other team in the league despite us having a higher risk of injury than most teams with a ton of known red flag injury risks among guys expected to be in or near that top 8 part of the rotation (Hunter, JJ, Bogi, and OO with more injury risk further down the roster like AJ). We need better players with that deep depth so we don't crash and burn when someone is out for a week because we are inserting players who would simply be cut by most other teams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premium Member JeffS17 Posted February 1 Premium Member Report Share Posted February 1 55 minutes ago, macdaddy said: I guess maybe we're saying the same thing i don't know. I don't really understand how you think the Hawks are going to land a star player if we're perpetually 10th in the east. It's just not going to happen. I don't think anyone is suggesting we need more end of the bench guys. We need more front of the bench and some better starters. But let's start with a good PF off the bench. It's not too much to ask. @AHF is suggesting we need more quality at the 9-15th spot, over and over. 9-15 does not win you championships, as I outlined in the other thread. Strong 1-8 rotations do. Focusing on 9-15 as a band-aid for a flawed 1-8 is missing the forest for the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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