Josh Smith - The barometer for the Hawks in the playoffs?

[TheNorthCydeRises]

LOL . . . yeah . . . I knew this was the case. But I wanted concrete evidence, instead of just saying it. Cause I know people doubt opinions sometimes without facts. So I'll just post the facts.

JOSH SMITH'S production in the 9 playoff road losses:

--- 2008 ---

vs Boston:

( Game 1 ) . . 3 - 10 FG . . 0 - 0 FT . . 6 pts . . 7 rebs . . 2 asst . . 3 blks . . 1 stl

( Game 2 ) . . 3 - 13 FG . . 7 - 10 FT . . 13 pts . . 8 rebs . . 3 asst . . 4 blks . . 2 stls

( Game 5 ) . . 4 - 13 FG . .10 - 10 FT . . 18 pts . . 5 rebs . . 3 asst . . 1 blk . . 3 stls

( Game 7 ) . . 3 - 11 FG . . 1 - 2 FT . . 7 pts . . 4 rebs . . 2 asst . . 1 blk . . 2 stls

--- 2009 ---

vs Miami:

( Game 3 ) . . 4 - 14 FG . . 4 - 5 FT . . 13 pts . . 8 rebs . . 0 asst . . 1 blk . . 0 stls

( Game 6 ) . . 3 - 13 FG . . 1 - 3 FT . . 7 pts . . 10 rebs. . 0 asst . . 3 blks . . 1 stl

vs Cleveland:

( Game 1 ) . . 8 - 15 FG . . 6 - 10 FT . . 22 pts . . 6 rebs . . 2 asst . . 1 blk . . 0 stls

( Game 2 ) . . 2 - 13 FG . . 4 - 4 FT . . 8 pts . . 1 reb . . 3 asst . . 1 blk . . 1 stl

2010 ---- vs Milwaukee:

( Game 3 ) . . 2 - 12 FG . . 3 - 6 FT . . 7 pts . . 12 rebs . . 1 asst . . 1 blk . . 0 stls

JOSH SMITH'S production in the 8 playoff home wins:

--- 2008 ---

vs Boston:

( Game 3 ) . . 11 - 17 FG . . 2 - 3 FT . . 27 pts . . 9 rebs . . 6 asst . . 1 blk . . 2 stls

( Game 4 ) . . 8 - 16 FG . . 12 - 13 FT . . 28 pts . . 6 rebs . . 2 asst . . 7 blks . . 2 stls

( Game 6 ) . . 3 - 8 FG . . 5 - 6 FT . . 11 pts . . 6 rebs . . 2 asst . . 3 blks . . 0 stls

--- 2009 ---

vs Miami:

( Game 1 ) . . 9 - 14 FG . . 5 - 6 FT . . 23 pts . . 10 rebs . . 2 asst . . 0 blks . . 3 stls

( Game 5 ) . . 6 - 16 FG . . 7 - 9 FT . . 20pts . . 8 rebs . . 4 asst . . 2 blks . . 2 stls

( Game 7 ) . . 7 - 12 FG . . 7 - 8 FT . . 21pts . . 9 rebs . . 3 asst . . 1 blk . . 2 stls

--- 2010 ---

vs Milwaukee:

( Game 1 ) . . 6 - 10 FG . . 0 - 2 FT . . 12 pts . . 10 rebs . . 4 asst . . 4 blks . . 0 stls

( Game 2 ) . . 9 - 11 FG . . 3 - 3 FT . . 21 pts . . 14 rebs . . 9 asst . . 2 blks . . 2 stls

Like night and day folks . . . just like this team. So when you look at the Hawks on the road, look no further to how #5 is playing. Just for a summary:

In 9 playoff road losses, these are his numbers:

11.2 ppg . . ( 32 - 114 ) 28% FG . . ( 36 - 50 ) 72% FT

6.8 rebs

1.8 asst

1.8 blks

1.1 stls

His numbers in 8 playoff home wins:

20.4 ppg . . ( 59 - 104 ) 56.7% FG . . ( 41 - 50 ) 82% FT

9.0 rebs

4.0 asst

2.5 blks

1.6 stls

This is incredible actually. I know players tend to play better at home . . but damn. You might see this kind of disparity in a role player, but not usually for a starter. The difference in shooting percentage is mind boggling.

[JJFOR3]

Im more suprised at the high FT% BUT GOOD POST FAM

[wfhawkfan]

:sad: at 28%, cotdamnyamansmoove

[AHF]

JJ is a pretty good barometer as well in our wins and losses:

Boston losses:

7-22 19 points

4-10 11 points

6-11 21 points

5-17 16 points

Miami losses:

5-13 16 points

5-17 10 points

6-14 13 points

Cleveland losses:

5-10 11 points

5-15 10 points

9-19 21 points

7-18 18 points

Mil loss:

9-22 25 points

Boston wins:

7-18 23 points

14-24 35 points

4-13 15 points

Miami wins:

7-16 15 points

5-12 14 points

6-15 25 points

10-19 27 points

Mil wins:

10-21 22 points

12-23 27 points

Totals:

Losses 73 - 188, 39% fg%, 16.8 ppg

Wins 75 - 161, 47% fg%, 22.6 ppg

[Swatguy]

LOL . . . yeah . . . I knew this was the case. But I wanted concrete evidence, instead of just saying it. Cause I know people doubt opinions sometimes without facts. So I'll just post the facts.

This is incredible actually. I know players tend to play better at home . . but damn. You might see this kind of disparity in a role player, but not usually for a starter. The difference in shooting percentage is mind boggling.

Without a doubt, as Josh goes so do the Hawks go. We are doomed if he does not bring his full effort. Saturday he looked and played as he partied all night and day. He is still too immature or thick to realize he needs to focus on the task at hand.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

JJ is a pretty good barometer as well in our wins and losses:

Boston losses:

7-22 19 points

4-10 11 points

6-11 21 points

5-17 16 points

Miami losses:

5-13 16 points

5-17 10 points

6-14 13 points

Cleveland losses:

5-10 11 points

5-15 10 points

9-19 21 points

7-18 18 points

Mil loss:

9-22 25 points

Boston wins:

7-18 23 points

14-24 35 points

4-13 15 points

Miami wins:

7-16 15 points

5-12 14 points

6-15 25 points

10-19 27 points

Mil wins:

10-21 22 points

12-23 27 points

Totals:

Losses 73 - 188, 39% fg%, 16.8 ppg

Wins 75 - 161, 47% fg%, 22.6 ppg

Definitely true about JJ. The monster games he has had in the playoffs, have all come at home. He needs to try to carry us on the road, to offset what the other guys aren't bringing to the table on the road.

But Smoove's dropoff is so dramatic, it's kind of incredible. Nobody on the team has a swing like that when it comes to home and road games, like Smoove has. But as people like to always say. As Smoove goes . . so goes the Hawks.

Just keep an eye on him for Game 4, and see how he plays. I hope he comes out with plenty of energy and gets to the rim often.

[macdaddy]

For some reason the offense went back to Josh standing at the 3 point line. I don't get that. I can't see any reason he should be that far from the basket consistently. We had an inbounds play with like 8 seconds on the shot clock. We had a long timeout beforehand and the ball swung all the way to the other side of the court for a Josh long jumper. Really? Is that the play that was diagrammed in the timeout? wtf?

[niremetal]

For some reason the offense went back to Josh standing at the 3 point line. I don't get that. I can't see any reason he should be that far from the basket consistently. We had an inbounds play with like 8 seconds on the shot clock. We had a long timeout beforehand and the ball swung all the way to the other side of the court for a Josh long jumper. Really? Is that the play that was diagrammed in the timeout? wtf?

I just remember that 2-minute stretch where Josh was at SF (Zaza-Horf-Smoove-Marvin-Bibby). A minute in, he got torched on the perimeter by Salmons on a switch. Then he got the ball on the wing and took a 20-foot jumper that bricked. Woody yanked Zaza for JJ so fast my head was spinning.

People who want Josh at SF need to get electric shock therapy. Dude is an All-Star at PF. But he lacks the perimeter skills necessary for SF.

Edited April 26, 2010 by niremetal

[JackB1]

I attribute Josh's horrible road play to his immaturatity as a player/person. He NEEDS his family, friends and hometown fans in front of him for him to play his best.

Why else would he be so consistently horrible on the road. I feel like 90% of the reason the Hawks are such a lousy road team is due to Josh. If Josh could somehow

learn to play on the road like he does in ATL, we would easily be a +.500 team on the road.

[AHF]

People who want Josh at SF need to get electric shock therapy. Dude is an All-Star at PF. But he lacks the perimeter skills necessary for SF.

I agree 100%.

[Diesel]

I agree 100%.

If we were in the running for Brenden Heywood, Josh would be my Sf and Horf would be my PF for a lot of the game (as much as Heywood wanted to play C).

You guys say that he doesn't have perimeter skills. Well, neither does Marvin. I say, just let Smoove play Sf (if we need him there) and he can do what he does now.

BTW, the idea that a Sf be a guy who can hit the outside shot consistently is a new thing having it's beginnings with Bird. The Sf position traditionally have been where you hide your worse defender.

[Joker]

The bottom line is if one person doesn't do their job, it hurts everyone. We are not Cleveland or LA. We do not have Lebron or Kobe to carry us. If one fails, we all fail.

Edited April 26, 2010 by nbasuperstar40

[AHF]

I say, just let Smoove play Sf (if we need him there) and he can do what he does now.

How could he possibly have the same role on defense and offense that he does now if we are playing him with Horford and Heyward? He would inevitably end up spending significantly more time on the perimeter on both ends of the floor because Horford and Heyward are not going to come outside the 3pt line or guard perimeter swingmen unless we get a bad switch.

[Joker]

If we were in the running for Brenden Heywood, Josh would be my Sf and Horf would be my PF for a lot of the game (as much as Heywood wanted to play C).

You guys say that he doesn't have perimeter skills. Well, neither does Marvin. I say, just let Smoove play Sf (if we need him there) and he can do what he does now.

BTW, the idea that a Sf be a guy who can hit the outside shot consistently is a new thing having it's beginnings with Bird. The Sf position traditionally have been where you hide your worse defender.

Marvin has perimeter skills, just inconsistent and lacks confidence on the offensive end. Josh doesn't have perimeter skills period. Him at SF hurts our offense and defense. Bird had great off ball perimeter defense and he had a great help-side defender in McHale and a great shot blocker and overall defender in Parrish covering for him. He was such an impact player on offense which helped too. Smith is just fine at PF, the problem is, we would either have to build around him or Horford and not both to build a contender. That's what the Hawks brass have to find out. No matter how you chart it, we cannot contend with these two starting together.

Edited April 26, 2010 by nbasuperstar40

[thecampster]

Let the conspiracy talk begin.

I attribute the disparity in play to be equally dependent on the officiating. I'd be interested to see if there is a disparity in the number of free throws the Hawks shoot on the road as opposed to home and the number of free throws their opponents shoot.

I theorize that we get less play on the front line on the road due to a change in foul calling. Not that the league would unfairly help a home team or anything...no never.