Those who want Casey to be our next head coach, explain to me why?

[Diesel]

Isn't being a defensive assistant under Larry Brown like being a defensive assistant under Bill Belichick? The guy at the top is the one running the defense.

If that be the case, then no assistant should get any credit.

Therefore, there's no need to hire an assistant because they haven't done nothing.

[Diesel]

♦ 2. I’m starting to get the feeling that all of these “insiders” writing that Dwane Casey has the “inside track” to the Hawks’ job are just parroting each other. I know this: Sund, the main guy making the decision, isn’t talking to anybody. I’ll repeat what I’ve written before: I understand why Casey is a candidate — I just don’t know why some consider him such a dynamic candidate. My sense is he’s one name in the pool — nothing more, nothing less.

Jeff Shultz, I hope your right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly right. Right now, with this crazy news cycle, nobody checks for facts, everybody is just in a hurry to get something out... a lot of time rumor leads the way with no attention to the facts and then everybody else piles on to the first lie.

[Wretch]

Exactly right. Right now, with this crazy news cycle, nobody checks for facts, everybody is just in a hurry to get something out... a lot of time rumor leads the way with no attention to the facts and then everybody else piles on to the first lie.

I hope so... I'm just not feeling Dwayne Casey - what little time he does have for us to judge him on...there isn't much there. This would be his opportunity to show people that he's got what it takes. Just the kind of coach I DON'T want to see us go after.

[TheNorthCydeRises]

What fans don't realize, is that we were one of the worst defensive teams in the playoffs. And a lot of that has to do with the personnel of the team, and with the scheme we were running, to try to hide the personnel flaws. If we lose JJ, this team is going to be in scramble mode to find another perimeter defender ( or multiple defenders ), to try to keep us from not becoming an even worse defensive team.

People think Teague is the defensive answer at the point. But I was seeing Teague getting driven past by JJ Redick of all people. He's a better defender than Bibby, but he's nowhere near a good defender yet. Hopefully with more playing time, he'll get better.

I just hope that 2 years from now, people aren't wishing that Woody was still at the helm.

Edited May 24, 2010 by northcyde

[JTB]

I was feeling confident about Casey after reading KB21 post. Not saying KB21 was lieing but what he said did make me think and change my mind but now after reading other comments that make alot of sense as well coming from NJHAWK and Desiel, Im now at a 50-50 with Casey. I now will only consider casey if he can surely bring Terry Stotts. Then again Im still hoping we get Avery, he might be a control freak but this team can use it in this time., especially with young Teague getting ready to take over at PG. Actually I will take any proven coach over Casey right now but again if we do get Casey i just hope he brings Terry Stotts with him then maybe this little experiment we try to do with Casey wont be a disaster!

Edited May 24, 2010 by JTB

[AHF]

I just hope that 2 years from now, people aren't wishing that Woody was still at the helm.

IMO, you can find someone else who can set the record for the worst playoff loss in NBA history. Well, actually a lot of bad coaches haven't been able to do that. Still, I am convinced we need to move forward from the Woodson era.

Isn't being a defensive assistant under Larry Brown like being a defensive assistant under Bill Belichick? The guy at the top is the one running the defense.

+1

Brown has previously and subsequently coached great defensive teams.

Woodson had 6 years to put together an above average defense and never did it once.

[Diesel]

Brown has previously and subsequently coached great defensive teams.

Woodson had 6 years to put together an above average defense and never did it once.

Weather you want to admit it or not...

Bibby, JJ, Marvin, Smoove, and Horf

does not come close to having the defensive talent of:

Billups, Rip, Tayshun, Wallace and Wallace...

We have a lot of poor positional defenders, we have two gapping holes on defense with Bibby and Smoove. And we're undersized in the frontcourt. I think what Woody was able to do defensively was almost miraculous. In other words, I'm not sure if another coach could have gotten more out of that group.

[AHF]

Weather you want to admit it or not...

Bibby, JJ, Marvin, Smoove, and Horf

does not come close to having the defensive talent of:

Billups, Rip, Tayshun, Wallace and Wallace...

We have a lot of poor positional defenders, we have two gapping holes on defense with Bibby and Smoove. And we're undersized in the frontcourt. I think what Woody was able to do defensively was almost miraculous. In other words, I'm not sure if another coach could have gotten more out of that group.

What I am saying is that a defensive guru would have been able to get a defensive squad to the point of above average over 6 years.

Casey did it with Mark Blount, Marko Jaric, Wally Sczerbiak, Ricky Davis and Marcus Banks starting a majority of their games with the team. Those are not the Pistons Part II.

Brown, on the other hand from Woodson, has taken over some miserable teams and molded them in his image into defensive studs. He has done this consistently. Whatever his faults, he is a defensive guru.

[lethalweapon3]

Can somebody make a case for bringing Terry Stotts back under the Hawks' fold as an assistant under Casey?

I'd almost rather look elsewhere for this reason alone.

~lw3

[niremetal]

Can somebody make a case for bringing Terry Stotts back under the Hawks' fold as an assistant under Casey?

I'd almost rather look elsewhere for this reason alone.

~lw3

Stotts was a terrible head coach, but a very good assistant. There are tons of guys who fit that description.

Seriously, the more I’m reminded of what re-treads are available, the more sure I am that I want to try a highly-regarded assistant. Avery? Casey? Ugh. I'm just glad we dodged the bullet that is Doug Collins. This is the rare case where the devil you don’t know is better than the devil you do.

Edited May 24, 2010 by niremetal

[lethalweapon3]

Stotts was a terrible head coach, but a very good assistant. There are tons of guys who fit that description.

Seriously, the more I’m reminded of what re-treads are available, the more sure I am that I want to try a highly-regarded assistant. Avery? Casey? Ugh. I'm just glad we dodged the bullet that is Doug Collins. This is the rare case where the devil you don’t know is better than the devil you do.

My fear is: the Hawks struggle out of the gate with Casey, he gets canned mid-season (see "2005-06" - Weiss, Bob) to salvage Sund's job, then Stotts becomes our "Welcome Back, Kotter" by getting promoted.

Didn't we see enough of that guy (the one we replaced Woody with) back in 2004? I mean, what's Lonnie Kruger doing in Vegas lately, let's just bring him back too!

~lw3

[niremetal]

My fear is: the Hawks struggle out of the gate with Casey, he gets canned mid-season (see "2005-06" - Weiss, Bob) to salvage Sund's job, then Stotts becomes our "Welcome Back, Kotter" by getting promoted.

Didn't we see enough of that guy (the one we replaced Woody with) back in 2004? I mean, what's Lonnie Kruger doing in Vegas lately, let's just bring him back too!

~lw3

As long as he's not in charge, I'm not complaining. Hell, I'd take Mike Brown here...as long as it was as Pop's assistant. Same with Iavaroni with D'Antoni (the Grizzlies logic behind hiring Iavaroni still baffles me - they wanted a fast-breaking team, so they hired D'Antoni's defensive specialist instead of Gentry??).

That being said, I don't want Casey, so I don't want Stotts here in that capacity either. But you obviously can't expect your assistant coaching staff to be filled with capable replacement head coaches.

Edited May 24, 2010 by niremetal

[Diesel]

What I am saying is that a defensive guru would have been able to get a defensive squad to the point of above average over 6 years.

Casey did it with Mark Blount, Marko Jaric, Wally Sczerbiak, Ricky Davis and Marcus Banks starting a majority of their games with the team. Those are not the Pistons Part II.

Brown, on the other hand from Woodson, has taken over some miserable teams and molded them in his image into defensive studs. He has done this consistently. Whatever his faults, he is a defensive guru.

I notice you forgot... K.G. in his prime?

Anyway, players are rarely recognized for their defense. The players you mentioned are defensively on parr with what we have... When you add KG, we fall behind.

[AHF]

I notice you forgot... K.G. in his prime?

Anyway, players are rarely recognized for their defense. The players you mentioned are defensively on parr with what we have... When you add KG, we fall behind.

I disagree. KG > Josh Smith but add in Al Horford, Joe Johnson, and Marvin Williams and you have a pretty solid core of players to build a defense around.

I view it as:

KG > Josh Smith

JJ = Hassell

Horford > Blount

Marvin > Wally

Jamal Crawford > Ricky Davis

Mo Evans > Marco Jaric

Marcus Banks > Mike Bibby

I think we have the clear advantage in terms of defensive tools on the whole.

[TomSelleck]

I don't think the Hawks have played bad defense under Woodson, but like with the offense, it was of the one-on-one variety. It was just athletes making plays. The Hawks lacked an overall team defense concept which was good enough for the regular season but really got exposed in the playoffs by teams like Orlando that had real offenses.

[Diesel]

I disagree. KG > Josh Smith but add in Al Horford, Joe Johnson, and Marvin Williams and you have a pretty solid core of players to build a defense around.

I view it as:

KG > Josh Smith

JJ = Hassell

Horford > Blount

Marvin > Wally

Jamal Crawford > Ricky Davis

Mo Evans > Marco Jaric

Marcus Banks > Mike Bibby

I think we have the clear advantage in terms of defensive tools on the whole.

Advantage not so clear....

KG in his prime was a 7'0 defensive machine who never stopped and could shut down the opposing teams' frontcourt.

You said JJ = Hassell???

Let's re-examine that... remember, this is defense.

I said defense.

""Trenton is very important," says Garnett. "He is probably our number-one defensive player. He brings intensity to the defensive side of the ball, and I think a lot of teams overlook him."

Hassell and Sprewell usually split the assignment of stopping the opposing team's best player. But Sprewell also needs to be a scorer, and playing exhausting defense can sometimes affect your offense. That's where Hassell comes in. His primary role is to play defense.

"I wouldn't call him a role player, though," Garnett clarifies, "because he is our defensive stopper. If we need to slow somebody down, we throw Trenton on him. I think he's probably a gift from God for us."

"

"More than a few NBA superstars have had off nights against Hassell and the Wolves. Denver's rookie sensation Carmelo Anthony struggled, scoring just 10 points on 3-of-12 shooting in the teams' first meeting and 14 on 6-of-15 shooting in their second matchup. The Celtics' Paul Pierce shot 6-of-18 against Minnesota in Boston on Dec. 15, tallying only 15 points. And Tracy McGrady, the NBA's reigning scoring champion, had one of the worst games of his career against the Wolves in Orlando on Nov. 7, connecting on just 2-of-10 shots to finish with only four points. "

...

You also forgot to add in Spreewell...

About Blount. While Blount may not have the star power and is not what I would consider a great or good defender... When you put 7 foot blount beside 7 foot Garnett, you have something serious in the lane. Blount = 7 foot 250 lbs and he allows KG to play PF.

[Diesel]

I disagree. KG > Josh Smith but add in Al Horford, Joe Johnson, and Marvin Williams and you have a pretty solid core of players to build a defense around.

I view it as:

KG > Josh Smith

JJ = Hassell

Horford > Blount

Marvin > Wally

Jamal Crawford > Ricky Davis

Mo Evans > Marco Jaric

Marcus Banks > Mike Bibby

I think we have the clear advantage in terms of defensive tools on the whole.

Advantage not so clear....

KG in his prime was a 7'0 defensive machine who never stopped and could shut down the opposing teams' frontcourt.

You said JJ = Hassell???

Let's re-examine that... remember, this is defense.

I said defense.

""Trenton is very important," says Garnett. "He is probably our number-one defensive player. He brings intensity to the defensive side of the ball, and I think a lot of teams overlook him."

Hassell and Sprewell usually split the assignment of stopping the opposing team's best player. But Sprewell also needs to be a scorer, and playing exhausting defense can sometimes affect your offense. That's where Hassell comes in. His primary role is to play defense.

"I wouldn't call him a role player, though," Garnett clarifies, "because he is our defensive stopper. If we need to slow somebody down, we throw Trenton on him. I think he's probably a gift from God for us."

"

"More than a few NBA superstars have had off nights against Hassell and the Wolves. Denver's rookie sensation Carmelo Anthony struggled, scoring just 10 points on 3-of-12 shooting in the teams' first meeting and 14 on 6-of-15 shooting in their second matchup. The Celtics' Paul Pierce shot 6-of-18 against Minnesota in Boston on Dec. 15, tallying only 15 points. And Tracy McGrady, the NBA's reigning scoring champion, had one of the worst games of his career against the Wolves in Orlando on Nov. 7, connecting on just 2-of-10 shots to finish with only four points. "

...

You also forgot to add in Spreewell...

About Blount. While Blount may not have the star power and is not what I would consider a great or good defender... When you put 7 foot blount beside 7 foot Garnett, you have something serious in the lane. Blount = 7 foot 250 lbs and he allows KG to play PF.

[JTB]

Can somebody make a case for bringing Terry Stotts back under the Hawks' fold as an assistant under Casey?

I'd almost rather look elsewhere for this reason alone.

~lw3

a way better assistant coach than head coach plus he knows how to conduct a offense as far as making, running, and etc. on the offense end. not saying he's great at offense but he is good and i want someone like terry if we get casey. I def dont want casey alone by himself! we would be way better off if casey and stotts came!

[EazyRoc]

Disagree.

Woodson was the architect of that Detroit defense that shut down Shaq and Kobe and won a championship... What has Casey done to be considered better than that?

C'mon man..he had Larry Brown as a boss. If that's the case, then why wasn't he able to produce a top 10 defense here in Atlanta ? We certainly have the personnel to at least be above average.

[EazyRoc]

Im pretty sure mike Woodson was a defensive coach of an nba champion that won that title because of being a great defensive team. Now what did Casey do again, win 20 games with KG?

He had the T-Wolves playing above their talent level, of course. The T-Wolves were one of the better defensive teams during his tenure. What has Woodson manage to accomplish as far as defense is concerned ? He has had the pieces here in Atlanta to have a good defensive team, but never produced. His switching defense was eventually exposed once teams figured out that they could get an easy mis-match if they moved the ball around.