2 pt.% of Marvin, Josh, and Al

[GST]

Keep in mind that FG, FGA, and FG% includes 3 pt. shots. I subtracted the 3 pt shots made and attempted from the totals and this is what I got:

Marvin

08-09 230 made 467 attempted = .49250 2 pt.%

09-10 262 made 532 attempted = .49248

Josh

08-09 392 made 762 attempted = .514

09-10 504 made 999 attempted = .508

Al

08-09 312 made 593 attempted = .526

09-10 466 made 846 attempted = .552

Observations:

Marvin has been consistent over the last two seasons, that is the reason I went to 5 digits on his percentage.

Josh has actually regressed slightly.

Only 1.6% separated Marvin and Josh last season.

[Chaze]

uhhhm joshh gets plenty of points marvin=none

[HawksFan87]

Smoove doesn't have to score a lot of points to make an impact, when Marvin isn't scoring he offers nothing else. I don't get why that's so hard for some to understand..

[99PROBL3MS]

Smooves 2pt % would be near 60% if he didn't jack up so many 20ft jumpshots. He is at his best in the paint. Drew plans to help him understand that, which is a win for us.

[clicklandshopping]

Smoove doesn't have to score a lot of points to make an impact, when Marvin isn't scoring he offers nothing else. I don't get why that's so hard for some to understand..

Marvin Williams is a heck of a ball player. He is a very good defender on the perimeter and in the post. He is a great team guy who can score when needed. He is also a good rebounder. I think his real problem is he a little too unselfish and his expectation here were too be a scorer like Joe. But keep in mind that Marvin consistently scores the ball when Joe or any other scoring option is injured. I think this will be the real test for Marvin when LD ask him to score more.

[KB21]

Smoove doesn't have to score a lot of points to make an impact, when Marvin isn't scoring he offers nothing else. I don't get why that's so hard for some to understand..

Except for the fact that Marvin is the best perimeter defender on the team and the only player on the team that can guard opposing small forwards. Atlanta was 5 points worse defensively when Marvin wasn't on the floor, which is the largest drop off from any player. Atlanta was actually 2 points better defensively when Joe wasn't on the floor.

[KB21]

Keep in mind that FG, FGA, and FG% includes 3 pt. shots. I subtracted the 3 pt shots made and attempted from the totals and this is what I got:

Marvin

08-09 230 made 467 attempted = .49250 2 pt.%

09-10 262 made 532 attempted = .49248

Josh

08-09 392 made 762 attempted = .514

09-10 504 made 999 attempted = .508

Al

08-09 312 made 593 attempted = .526

09-10 466 made 846 attempted = .552

Observations:

Marvin has been consistent over the last two seasons, that is the reason I went to 5 digits on his percentage.

Josh has actually regressed slightly.

Only 1.6% separated Marvin and Josh last season.

To break this down even further using the great data at hoopdata.com

Josh Smith on shots at the rim: '08-'09 69%/'09-'10 65.6%

on shots less than 10 feet: '08-'09 43.7%/'09-'10 50%

on shots 10 to 15 feet: '08-'09 23%/'09-'10 29.3%

on shots 16-23 feet: '08-'09 34%/'09-'10 29%

Al Horford

Shots at the rim: '08-'09 70%/'09-'10 70.4%

less than 10 feet: '08-'09 45%/'09-'10 46.5%

10-15 feet: '08-'09 45%/'09-'10 37%

16-23 feet: '08-'09 39%/'09-'10 48%

Marvin Williams

At the rim: 62%/65.7%

less than 10 feet: 49%/35.4%

10-15 feet: 33%/43.8%

16-23 feet: 41%/36%

The data shows that Josh doesn't need to shoot anything that is farther than 10 feet from the basket. Al Horford has the ability to extend the defense though, and his offensive game should be opened up some. With Marvin, there are mixed results. He's a good finisher at the rim and was solid from 10-15 feet this past year. However, he declined on shots less than 10 feet and also on shots from 16-23 feet.

[Diesel]

Marvin Williams is a heck of a ball player. He is a very good defender on the perimeter and in the post. He is a great team guy who can score when needed. He is also a good rebounder. I think his real problem is he a little too unselfish and his expectation here were too be a scorer like Joe. But keep in mind that Marvin consistently scores the ball when Joe or any other scoring option is injured. I think this will be the real test for Marvin when LD ask him to score more.

Marvin Williams is the guy that brings the Donald Duck orange juice and the Texas Pete Hot Sauce to the team functions. That's the only purpose he serves both on and off court. Marvin is not that good a defender... that's just something Hawks fans made up to validate picking him 2nd overall.

[thescout]

Marvin's a regular Bruce Bowen on the team. I have to say the other players on the team must suck if Marvin is the best small perimeter forward on the team.I see no reason to keep him around for the money he gets paid and the only thing he can do is play defense.One thing the playoffs showed is how out of sync the offense is without perimeter shooting or an inside game. Marvin just addes to the problem since he isn't making others better around him.

[lethalweapon3]

To break this down even further using the great data at hoopdata.com

Josh Smith on shots at the rim: '08-'09 69%/'09-'10 65.6%

on shots less than 10 feet: '08-'09 43.7%/'09-'10 50%

on shots 10 to 15 feet: '08-'09 23%/'09-'10 29.3%

on shots 16-23 feet: '08-'09 34%/'09-'10 29%

Al Horford

Shots at the rim: '08-'09 70%/'09-'10 70.4%

less than 10 feet: '08-'09 45%/'09-'10 46.5%

10-15 feet: '08-'09 45%/'09-'10 37%

16-23 feet: '08-'09 39%/'09-'10 48%

Marvin Williams

At the rim: 62%/65.7%

less than 10 feet: 49%/35.4%

10-15 feet: 33%/43.8%

16-23 feet: 41%/36%

The data shows that Josh doesn't need to shoot anything that is farther than 10 feet from the basket. Al Horford has the ability to extend the defense though, and his offensive game should be opened up some. With Marvin, there are mixed results. He's a good finisher at the rim and was solid from 10-15 feet this past year. However, he declined on shots less than 10 feet and also on shots from 16-23 feet.

Also check out Smoove's stats on NBA.com's HotSpots. Yikes! He's got like one "spot," and you can guess where that is.

~lw3

[Plainview1981]

Except for the fact that Marvin is the best perimeter defender on the team and the only player on the team that can guard opposing small forwards. Atlanta was 5 points worse defensively when Marvin wasn't on the floor, which is the largest drop off from any player. Atlanta was actually 2 points better defensively when Joe wasn't on the floor.

I'll make it simple. Go find the Hawks record over the last 3 years when Marvin doesn't play and that's a hint to what his value is to the team. From what I remember, there isn't a big drop off in the winning percentage. From what I remember, they kept winning when Mo Evans replaced him in the line up a few years ago. If you can be replaced with Mo Evans you're not that valuable.

He is expendable.

Edited July 6, 2010 by Hotlanta1981

[RLHawk]

Also check out Smoove's stats on NBA.com's HotSpots. Yikes! He's got like one "spot," and you can guess where that is.

~lw3

WOW...that is very interesting. Tht pushes me to think that he is all flash and not much substance. Although I really like his game, especially in a motion offense, i would rather keep a growing Horford over Smith if I had to choose.

If we could get CP3 / Okafor, I think we would be a championship caliber team

[GameTime]

Marvin's a regular Bruce Bowen on the team. I have to say the other players on the team must suck if Marvin is the best small perimeter forward on the team.I see no reason to keep him around for the money he gets paid and the only thing he can do is play defense.One thing the playoffs showed is how out of sync the offense is without perimeter shooting or an inside game. Marvin just addes to the problem since he isn't making others better around him.

Marvin is Bruce Bowen with mediocre defense and no jump shot.