This is what they think?

[Diesel]

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All over the NBA, people think that we build teams just to have players to give away.  They have always seen us as a supply team. I think now more than ever.  My thought is that if the fans think it, the the GMs have to have the same sort of thoughts also.

 

• We're not going to be a fan crazy team.
• We're not going to be a free agent destination.
• We're not going to be a 72 win team.
• We're not going to be a media darling.

 

Those things being true.  IS there anything that the Hawks can do to change it's perception around the league?

 

[HawkItus]

Doesn't matter what ^they think.....I'm sure the Cavs Gm doesn't think that if he has talked to DF.  

[Diesel]

Doesn't matter what ^they think.....I'm sure the Cavs Gm doesn't think that if he has talked to DF.  

 

Maybe not after talking to DF, but before hand, I think he goes into a conversation seeing if we'd be interested in a former first overall pick and a Center who was one of the league's best rebounders.

 

What I'm saying is that teams hardly look at us with value for value.

They believe that we're here to help them out.

[macdaddy]

 

 

 

All over the NBA, people think that we build teams just to have players to give away.  They have always seen us as a supply team. I think now more than ever.  My thought is that if the fans think it, the the GMs have to have the same sort of thoughts also.

 

• We're not going to be a fan crazy team.
• We're not going to be a free agent destination.
• We're not going to be a 72 win team.
• We're not going to be a media darling.

 

Those things being true.  IS there anything that the Hawks can do to change it's perception around the league?

 

Win.   

 

Records/playoffs don't meet crap until you beat someone you aren't supposed to.   Last season was more important than many here give the Hawks credit for.   Other than the injuries, almost everything else was a wild success.   Bud and his staff were huge.  Millsap, Korver, DMC, Mack, Brand and Antić were all much better than anyone expected.   Our playoff showing without Horford was a good one.   

 

It is coming.  

[buckeye242424]

Sap is the kicker to all these rumors....it's not hard to see.

[Plainview1981]

Maybe not after talking to DF, but before hand, I think he goes into a conversation seeing if we'd be interested in a former first overall pick and a Center who was one of the league's best rebounders.

 

What I'm saying is that teams hardly look at us with value for value.

They believe that we're here to help them out.

Well, the Hawks gave Philly and Detroit their final pieces that they needed in order to make a finals run. So...

[TJR4536]

They think we got lebron and were the "cavs" lol hawks have more rings then them. They think they about to trade dion for horford and tristen for love lol they think they can build team usa by trading away scurbs fans like that ruin the nba. There stupid!1!

[TJR4536]

Well, the Hawks gave Philly and Detroit their final pieces that they needed in order to make a finals run. So...

 

 Not remembering that ? can you explain?

[Guest]

Not remembering that ? can you explain?

I guess he means Rasheed Wallace to Detroit. I'm uncertain about the Philly reference.

[Guest]

What I'm saying is that teams hardly look at us with value for value.

They believe that we're here to help them out.

Well it's time that changed isn't it.  

They can....

Edited July 30, 2014 by JayBirdHawk

[nathan2331]

I guess he means Rasheed Wallace to Detroit. I'm uncertain about the Philly reference.

Dikembe to Philly?

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[macdaddy]

I guess he means Rasheed Wallace to Detroit. I'm uncertain about the Philly reference.

 

That's all the way back to Dikembe for philly but we're talking many years and different owners and gms.   I don't think either apply anymore.   Truth is we haven't given anybody any talent in a long time.   

[Guest]

That's all the way back to Dikembe for philly but we're talking many years and different owners and gms.   I don't think either apply anymore.   Truth is we haven't given anybody any talent in a long time.   

Weeell, we did give Brooklyn Joe 

[HawkItus]

Weeell, we did give Brooklyn Joe 

In the same way that a host "gives" another a parasite lol

[Wretch]

I think every team (and fans of) overvalue their assets, so that's part of it.  In the case of "unbiased" journalism {/sarcasm} though, it's a lack of respect for the team with the desirable asset and/or their own preference to see their talent put to better use. The intent is to invite speculation and see if something might come of it, but no GM with half a brain would bite on such lopsided BS.  

 

It's apparent what has to happen to change the perception, but people are not being realistic.  It's like a fight or a serious conversation you intend to have - it almost NEVER follows the script you come up with in your head.  We rationalize that all of our small successes should add up to a positive culture/perception change and eventually, SOMETHING will change.  In reality, our multitude of "small successes" are overlooked by the players that actually have the power to change our culture.  

 

Despite our appreciate for it, they aren't pining for a great system, great coach, hard workers, or even decent fans for that matter.  These players want to win it ALL and if WE can't even look at our team and say definitively that we have a shot at the finals...then certainly the perception will not change.  Even if WE think we have the perfect team minus a "star."

Edited July 30, 2014 by Wretch

[Plainview1981]

I guess he means Rasheed Wallace to Detroit. I'm uncertain about the Philly reference.

 

We traded Deke to Philly... Remember? They went to the finals.

Edited July 30, 2014 by Hotlanta1981

[hazer]

They think we got lebron and were the "cavs" lol hawks have more rings then them. They think they about to trade dion for horford and tristen for love lol they think they can build team usa by trading away scurbs fans like that ruin the nba. There stupid!1!

 

Mmmmmm hmmmmmm ;)

[MaceCase]

That's all the way back to Dikembe for philly but we're talking many years and different owners and gms. I don't think either apply anymore. Truth is we haven't given anybody any talent in a long time.

I know, might as well say the Hawks gave Boston 11 championships by trading them Russell but then again there are those that have gone into suicide watch over Jordan Crawford, Joe and now Bebe.

[High5]

My thought is that if the fans think it, the the GMs have to have the same sort of thoughts also.

 

Yeah...I don't think that's true. 

[ag82]

 

 

Those things being true.  IS there anything that the Hawks can do to change it's perception around the league?

Short term: we need to get at least a 3rd seed and make the ECF. That means a strong regular season followed by a strong showing in the playoffs. I think that changes the perception.

Can't have a 40 win season and a first round exit.