This Year May Be Most Memorable!!

[AHF]

He's an unforgettable Hawk like multiple All=Star Terrell Brandon was a memorable Hawk.  Heck, there are lots of Hawks fans who don't know Tracy McGrady played for the team and he was better than Melo ever was.

[JayBirdHawk]

15 hours ago, sillent said:

I pretty much agree because I did forget the double Crawf move but.... It's Melo and he got a Hawks jersey. It's going to be hard to forget a superstar name like Melo.

McGrady, Terrell Brandon, Rasheed Wallace, Jamall Crawford the 2nd time around. I only think about Melo when I'm looking at our capsheet. Otherwise he's but a blip in my Hawks Universe.

[Gray Mule]

DISCLAIMER:  They do not play this game on paper.

On paper, this season's Hawk team looks to be much better than last year's team that finished the season.

#1 thought is, Bud did not want to be here for our rebuild effort and, he had been relieved of his GM duties. 

Hawks ended the season with several G League players getting considerable playing time.  They have been replaced with three draft picks which we have reason to believe will be superior to G League players.

Hawks have added some young, experienced NBA players that we believe and hope have not yet reached their full potential.  Justin Anderson and Alex Len come to mind.  Then, on top of all this, our point guard has been updated if Jeremy Lin can stay healthy.  We didn't have the experience of our player, coach Vince Carter.

This really, really young, inexperienced Hawk team will be sent into battle under our rookie head coach, Lloyd Pierce.  He will have a new, different offense and defense. 

Despite our new, fresh outlook about our renovated home and team, those who know that they know, expect this Hawk team to have the fewest wins of any team in the NBA.  Dead in the water.  No chance, whatsoever.  And, should they dare to start going anywhere, they expect the GM to trade away any and all veterans,  If he can't make a trade for future consideration, they say he will simply give them away.  Gee.  Apparently, we can't win for losing..

On paper, the old man sees some good stuff that should grow and mature over the season.  I have read reports that Trae Young and Jeremy Lin have already got their heads together.  And, Trae said that he and the other two draft picks had known each other since high school and were ready to work together.

MEMORIABLE YEAR ??  You bet !!

[KB21]

19 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

DISCLAIMER:  They do not play this game on paper.

On paper, this season's Hawk team looks to be much better than last year's team that finished the season.

#1 thought is, Bud did not want to be here for our rebuild effort and, he had been relieved of his GM duties. 

Hawks ended the season with several G League players getting considerable playing time.  They have been replaced with three draft picks which we have reason to believe will be superior to G League players.

Hawks have added some young, experienced NBA players that we believe and hope have not yet reached their full potential.  Justin Anderson and Alex Len come to mind.  Then, on top of all this, our point guard has been updated if Jeremy Lin can stay healthy.  We didn't have the experience of our player, coach Vince Carter.

This really, really young, inexperienced Hawk team will be sent into battle under our rookie head coach, Lloyd Pierce.  He will have a new, different offense and defense. 

Despite our new, fresh outlook about our renovated home and team, those who know that they know, expect this Hawk team to have the fewest wins of any team in the NBA.  Dead in the water.  No chance, whatsoever.  And, should they dare to start going anywhere, they expect the GM to trade away any and all veterans,  If he can't make a trade for future consideration, they say he will simply give them away.  Gee.  Apparently, we can't win for losing..

On paper, the old man sees some good stuff that should grow and mature over the season.  I have read reports that Trae Young and Jeremy Lin have already got their heads together.  And, Trae said that he and the other two draft picks had known each other since high school and were ready to work together.

MEMORIABLE YEAR ??  You bet !!

It will be as memorable as the 2004 season.

[Gray Mule]

Thanks KB21.  I knew I could count on you !!

[sillent]

On 8/12/2018 at 9:22 PM, nathan2331 said:

On 8/12/2018 at 9:10 PM, sillent said:

I pretty much agree because I did forget the double Crawf move but.... It's Melo and he got a Hawks jersey. It's going to be hard to forget a superstar name like Melo.

 

Why should any Hawks fan care about Melo? It'll be a footnote in our franchise's history.

It's not about Melo it's about our overall offseason and the growth/improvement from here on out. When people go back in history Carmelo's name may be one of the biggest that pops up is the only reason he is relevant. When people look over time and see names Like Vince and Carmelo and Lin they won't necessarily look at contributions but those names will stand out.

[AHF]

17 hours ago, sillent said:

It's not about Melo it's about our overall offseason and the growth/improvement from here on out. When people go back in history Carmelo's name may be one of the biggest that pops up is the only reason he is relevant. When people look over time and see names Like Vince and Carmelo and Lin they won't necessarily look at contributions but those names will stand out.

Much like Tracy McGrady and Terrell Brandon's names stand out in Hawks history.

[High5]

44 minutes ago, AHF said:

Much like Tracy McGrady and Terrell Brandon's names stand out in Hawks history.

A $25 million buyout of a Hall of Famer as one of the moves that contributes to a franchise turnaround would be much more notable than those two combined. You love to argue just for the sake of arguing. 

[AHF]

1 hour ago, High5 said:

A $25 million buyout of a Hall of Famer as one of the moves that contributes to a franchise turnaround would be much more notable than those two combined. You love to argue just for the sake of arguing. 

???? 

How do you differentiate it from the Terrell Brandon move as a transaction or from the HOF credentials of Tracy McGrady.

Melo is a complete non-entity for the Hawks.  It will be novelty footnote 10 years from now if it contributes to our turnaround.

Let's assume this rebuild turns into something truly magical.  How might people think about Melo and the Hawks?

Two 2028 Hawks fans:

1 - "Hey remember all those really big moves like drafting MVP Trae Young and then using the second pick from Dallas to get All-Star [player to be named later]?" 

2 - "Oh, yeah.  Man Schlenk killed it during that half decade."

1 - "Did you know that we also had a much smaller but significant move that created $15.5M in future cap space  by trading for and cutting a past his prime Carmelo Anthony before he moved into the role player phase of his career with Houston?"

2 - "Huh.  Interesting.  That guy's name was always bigger than his game.  Not surprised we just cut him."

1 - "True.  Not like John Collins who was underrated for too much of his career for as great a player as he turned into."

2 - "Collins is a beast.  Hope we can win him another ring before he is done."

 

[JayBirdHawk]

3 hours ago, High5 said:

A $25 million buyout of a Hall of Famer as one of the moves that contributes to a franchise turnaround would be much more notable than those two combined. You love to argue just for the sake of arguing. 

I just don't see it.  Melo will be a footnote to the Hawks History.  Moving Dennis has more to do with 'our potential turnaround' than Melo. It's not like Dennis could not have been traded to another team (though difficult).

Sura will be more memorable to Hawks fans for robbing us a chance at drafting Dwight Howard.

Melo will more be remembered for getting ousted from OKC in a salary dump and derailing the Rockets championship hopes for the 2018-19 season. 

Trading for Melo or not did not change drafting Trae as the PG of the future.  

[High5]

3 hours ago, AHF said:

???? 

How do you differentiate it from the Terrell Brandon move as a transaction or from the HOF credentials of Tracy McGrady.

Melo is a complete non-entity for the Hawks.  It will be novelty footnote 10 years from now if it contributes to our turnaround.

Let's assume this rebuild turns into something truly magical.  How might people think about Melo and the Hawks?

Two 2028 Hawks fans:

1 - "Hey remember all those really big moves like drafting MVP Trae Young and then using the second pick from Dallas to get All-Star [player to be named later]?" 

2 - "Oh, yeah.  Man Schlenk killed it during that half decade."

1 - "Did you know that we also had a much smaller but significant move that created $15.5M in future cap space  by trading for and cutting a past his prime Carmelo Anthony before he moved into the role player phase of his career with Houston?"

2 - "Huh.  Interesting.  That guy's name was always bigger than his game.  Not surprised we just cut him."

1 - "True.  Not like John Collins who was underrated for too much of his career for as great a player as he turned into."

2 - "Collins is a beast.  Hope we can win him another ring before he is done."

 

Hardly anyone these days even knows who Terrell Brandon is and nothing (good) came from the Hawks acquiring him. And T-Mac was just another end-of-the-road vet signing with a playoff team to make a small impact before retiring. Not really comparable to the Melo situation at all. Next to LeBron and Kawhi, Melo has probably been the most talked about player this offseason. Buying him out has gotten more publicity than any of our transactions in a long time. But I think you're missing the point. No one is saying Melo is going to be a significant figure in Hawks history. It's just if this is the start of the Hawks turnaround then he will be an interesting part of it. Combined with trading Dennis, drafting Trae, losing Bud, hiring Pierce, "Linsanity and Vinsanity," etc. It's about the offseason as a whole. 

[AHF]

43 minutes ago, High5 said:

Hardly anyone these days even knows who Terrell Brandon is and nothing (good) came from the Hawks acquiring him. And T-Mac was just another end-of-the-road vet signing with a playoff team to make a small impact before retiring. Not really comparable to the Melo situation at all. Next to LeBron and Kawhi, Melo has probably been the most talked about player this offseason. Buying him out has gotten more publicity than any of our transactions in a long time. But I think you're missing the point. No one is saying Melo is going to be a significant figure in Hawks history. It's just if this is the start of the Hawks turnaround then he will be an interesting part of it. Combined with trading Dennis, drafting Trae, losing Bud, hiring Pierce, "Linsanity and Vinsanity," etc. It's about the offseason as a whole. 

You just proved my point.  Thank you.  If you think Melo is going to be more remembered in 10 or 20 years than TMac is now then we'll have to respectfully disagree.  They have had very similar careers to the same point in their career and T-Mac has actually had the more memorable playoff performances between the two.  Melo will stat stuff a couple more years in the NBA in increasingly less important roles and then retire without really changing anything about his legacy unless he nails some really big shots to get a ring like Ray Allen did in Miami and even then it won't mean nearly as much as what he did in his prime.  

Brandon was a multiple All-Star who filled exactly the same role for us as Melo fills now (a player who we pay not to play for us and who helps us set the table for a rebuild) and you barely even remember it happened.

No one will care about Melo's role in this rebuild in ten years.  He is just a means of unloading Dennis.

What will be remembered a decade from now about this offseason has nothing to do with Melo.  It will have nothing to do with Vince.  It will likely have nothing to do with Lin.  It will almost surely be remembered almost entirely for whether our draft picks were successful and the ultimate result of the Trae + pick for Doncic trade.

[High5]

21 minutes ago, AHF said:

You just proved my point.  Thank you.  If you think Melo is going to be more remembered in 10 or 20 years than TMac is now then we'll have to respectfully disagree.  They have had very similar careers to the same point in their career and T-Mac has actually had the more memorable playoff performances between the two.  Melo will stat stuff a couple more years in the NBA in increasingly less important roles and then retire without really changing anything about his legacy unless he nails some really big shots to get a ring like Ray Allen did in Miami and even then it won't mean nearly as much as what he did in his prime.  

Brandon was a multiple All-Star who filled exactly the same role for us as Melo fills now (a player who we pay not to play for us and who helps us set the table for a rebuild) and you barely even remember it happened.

No one will care about Melo's role in this rebuild in ten years.  He is just a means of unloading Dennis.

What will be remembered a decade from now about this offseason has nothing to do with Melo.  It will have nothing to do with Vince.  It will likely have nothing to do with Lin.  It will almost surely be remembered almost entirely for whether our draft picks were successful and the ultimate result of the Trae + pick for Doncic trade.

Again, you're arguing against a point that was never made. And you're comparing Melo to Brandon beyond the simple fact that neither played to the Hawks which is kinda insane. So I'll bow out now. 

[TheNorthCydeRises]

On 8/9/2018 at 4:52 PM, AHF said:

I would say that Melo will have all the impact here that Terrell Brandon did and Vince will likely have all the impact of TMac.

 

The most magical 10 points in Hawks history.

[JayBirdHawk]

10 hours ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 

The most magical 10 points in Hawks history.

Lol. Magical for about 8 minutes, but not very memorable.

[AHF]

15 hours ago, High5 said:

Again, you're arguing against a point that was never made. And you're comparing Melo to Brandon beyond the simple fact that neither played to the Hawks which is kinda insane. So I'll bow out now. 

The Hawks made this trade as one of their early moves to help their rebuild (they would win 28, 13 and 26 games the next three years).  Brandon was acquired with no intent to ever play him and ultimately waived by the Hawks.  By doing the deal we got rid of 2 future years of Glenn Robinson's contract who was a highly paid player that we didn't see as part of the long-term future of the team.  

The trade was highly talked about as it involved the following All-Stars:  Terrell Brandon, Glenn Robinson, and Latrell Sprewell in addition to former #2 pick Keith Van Horn and a number of other players.  

This summer the Hawks made a similarly discussed trade as an early move to help their rebuild.  Melo was acquired with no intent to ever play him and ultimately bought out and waived by the Hawks.  By doing the deal we got rid of 2 future years of Dennis Schröder's contract who is a highly paid player that we didn't see as part of the long-term future of the team.  

These trades are incredibly similar and the specific names involved will have the same resonance in Hawks history.  Do you really not see the parallels?

[Gray Mule]

In the Melo deal, I believe the Hawks got some assets.  Any one remember who or what was involved?  And, didn't we lose Moose?

Or, was that the trade that we shed Dennis?  Seems that the Hawks made some moves after the draft.  Nothing earth shaking, but they did sign a couple of veterans, Jeremy Lin and Vince Carter. 

Hawks still have Bazemore and Dedmon, so they were not without veterans to go with their other very young Hawks.  Two months from today!  That's when the season opens. 

[High5]

23 minutes ago, AHF said:

These trades are incredibly similar and the specific names involved will have the same resonance in Hawks history.

Brandon is a nobody compared to Melo. A lot of players make the ASG once or twice. Few make the HOF and have the type of highly publicized career that Melo has had. Saying they are equally memorable is simply untrue.

[AHF]

5 minutes ago, High5 said:

Brandon is a nobody compared to Melo. A lot of players make the ASG once or twice. Few make the HOF and have the type of highly publicized career that Melo has had. Saying they are equally memorable is simply untrue.

LMAO that you think Melo's role is memorable in Atlanta.  Melo is not that big of a deal.  The combined press from Latrell "I choked my coach" Sprewell, Brandon, Big Dog and others is at a minimum comparable to "nobody would trade for me and my new team was happy to cut me" Melo. 

The trades were parallel.  Melo's career peak is over and past.  Nobody cared about TMac when he played for the Hawks because his career was similarly in decline (a step further).  Nobody is going to care about Melo have been traded to the Hawks and cut by them in a move to remove Dennis Schröder from the cap.

I can't think of a single past-his-prime HOFer involved this tangentially to a team that is remembered in connection with that team.  Can you? 

Are you thinking that Dwight Howard's name is going to be reminisced over by New Jersey fans in a decade?

[High5]

4 minutes ago, AHF said:

LMAO that you think Melo's role is memorable in Atlanta.  Melo is not that big of a deal.  The combined press from Latrell "I choked my coach" Sprewell, Brandon, Big Dog and others is at a minimum comparable to "nobody would trade for me and my new team was happy to cut me" Melo. 

The trades were parallel.  Melo's career peak is over and past.  Nobody cared about TMac when he played for the Hawks because his career was similarly in decline (a step further).  Nobody is going to care about Melo have been traded to the Hawks and cut by them in a move to remove Dennis Schröder from the cap.

I can't think of a single past-his-prime HOFer involved this tangentially to a team that is remembered in connection with that team.  Can you? 

The trades were similar. The players the Hawks acquired were not. This isn't about how good Melo is or what he did for the Hawks. It's about how insanely popular/infamous he is. You keep bringing up T-Mac because he's a HOFer, but he was old news when he signed with the Hawks and few people cared. He was down to single digit points for 3 different teams the 2 years prior. Melo has never stopped being front page news. Combine that with the age of the internet and you have something that has already been more talked about and will continue to be more talked about than anything related to Brandon. Again, you're going to take this as me saying Melo will be a significant figure in Hawks history instead sticking to the actual words that have been said (going all the way back to the OP's quote that started this) so I'm not going to waste anymore time on this.